70two nova,
Are you refering to your time at Hot Rods by Dean? Determination generally lasts longer than 3 or 4 weeks, you should have given yourself more time to show what skills you have, and learn from people who are journeyman craftsman who have been around this trade long time. I don't believe I watched her getting praised on the show, any comments from the guys on the show were directed to the viewers of the show. Sometimes when you are starting out in a trade, you feel proud of your "accomplishments", but after 10 or 20 years in the trade you look back at an item you might of made and laugh, thinking man "what was I thinking". I'm not bagging on you, just don't see a double standard here, I would think it would be much more difficult for a female to work in a shop full of guys. Most shops are just looking for an employee that shows up for work everyday, is drug free, and wants to learn. Not easy fo find!! good luck to her, I just like fact that there seemed to be less drama with her on the show, not the case with the girls on Hardshine!!

Spinal Pap Right?!? You know! They opened for The Puppet Show at Magic Mountain when they did "Jazz Odessey"!:rofl:

John

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Here ya go!:rofl:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...l_christop.jpg

Rodger and I are thinking of installing one of these on the car!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../SpinalTap.jpg

John:rofl:

I've got $5 to chip in....


:rofl:

I used to be a drummer but the prospect of spontaneous combustion turned me against it.:rofl:

Actually, the band figured out why their drummers kept blowing up! It was Nigels nitrous button on his guitar!:willy: :rofl:

John

Jack,
Yes I was referring to Dean's, dont get me wrong, all the guys there were more than helpful, I really did enjoy working there, it just turned out that at the time it just wasnt going to work out financially/logistically. I did learn a lot in the short time I was there, and was not looking to be "priased" by any means even though I may not have been up to Dean's standards although I tried my best, I just notice that young females generally are not expected to know much, therefore resulting in more "praise" when they do. Either way, the fact that I did leave shouldnt have anything to do with my skills/personality but rather my personal situation....thats life I guess.

just got my "car craft" plate in the mail today.....where was that "show car" of yours gonna be parked at sema?:D

She plugs Lateral-g on her website-

http://www.milesspeed.com/media/media.htm

Good point, she can't be that bad, everybody makes mistakes.

Hmmmmm....OK! Maybe I'm just being too cynical! I guess I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and reserve judgement! Not that she needs my approval but maybe it was just a mistake on her part! Sorry if I misjudged you Liz Miles!:cheers:

John

Nobody said she was a bad person. The only criticism some of us have is that she's making a choice that's going to cost her a lot of credibility in the long run.

If you're a woman breaking into the hot rodding business and you want to do it right, reference someone like Stacy Tucker. Now there's a woman I'll take my hat off to. Got TONS of respect for her.

Yes........

Plus stacy is a babe:hail:

Careful.....Kyle might serve you a knuckle sandwich for lunch!:lol:

John

Guys zero argument wanted but I have to ask why does everybody just hate any of the builders on TV? Sometimes I go on the Jalopy Journal and man they can add 5 pages in about 10 minutes if somebody even mentions Boyd. I just do not get it. I do admit I have no idea how she went about getting sponsored or anything so I can be dead wrong if she pulled a jackass move.


I just see a 21 year old trying to get ahead. At 21 I would have killed for an oppurtunity like that. Unlike a lot of others I think she cam across fairly well on the show so far. I honestly do not think she is that hot and agree the woman thing shouldn't be a factor but it is. How many other woman hold their own like that??

I know that now that I stuck up for her there will be an upcoming episode where she does something rediculous involving Boyd and some sort of power tool to make me look stupid.

Go Boyd!!

LOL!!!! It's the way of the world!!!:lol:

John

I think most of the guys here just dont understand what its like to be 20 and broke... and be influenced by the cars we see in popular hotrodding and other large magazines that just the paint job alone is worth more than any engine we can put together for our cars. We cant all send our cars to Dse or other shops and have THEM build our cars, some of us actually have to do all our own work in the little time we have when were not working at our crappy jobs. So what if she asked for sponsorship, she got turned down... thats it get over it, shes out their to make that money just like we all are, u know how expensive life is now nothing wrong with some extra cash here and their . i think you older guys forgot what its like to spend huge amounts of the little time/money you have on your car when ur young just so on weekends you can take out that primered car and cruise the town with ur friends and not have a care in the world because your in your badass car.

That's why I'm trying to shift the blame towards the no talent, non car guy producers and directors who exploit the hobby. The only mistake that the builders are making is letting themselves be exploited and misrepresented.

I cant say anything about car builders but take a 10 minutes of american chopper and you have your answer..

American Chopper is really the only show that can "get away" with that type of show. Every other show that tries to cash in on that kind of format just comes across as following the leader. Fake? Maybe.

Wow, I never thought about that, We were all born with silver spoons in our mouths. It must suck to be 20 and broke.

We are all trying to make that money, But if she is 20 how much can she really know, give her 10 years and then she might know something. She just graduated from wyotech and worked at Dominator for a short period of time and now works at Boyds, which I think is staged for the show.

If they really want to make that show quality, they will follow Al around and watch him work or some of the other guys who get very little air time, cuz they work. I would hire that Al guy or some of the quiet guys any day, let the drama queens create the drama.

Rodger

When I met Liz at SEMA last year, she was very nice to talk to, very friendly and humble. I was impressed, she was a very genuine person and I had a great first impression. Fast forward a few months and the talk about the sponsorship deal, it really struck me as odd (and still does), it was completely out of the blue and not anything that I had expected from her. Between that and her talking about getting an agent and getting on TV, it almost seemed like she was being 'coached' into the direction she's taking. If she becomes successful from the steps she's taking, more power to her. We all have to do what we feel is best for ourselves and our family.

I guess what it boils down to is that it just seems like she had an agenda to get publicity, not be just one of the guys.

On the flip side, she knows what she wants and is working towards that goal. That's admirable for a 20 year old.

Perhaps this is true and some executive from TLC got her letters and said "we have just the spot for you".

I haven’t seen more than maybe 3 episodes of that show and the one I saw in its entirely was when they had some intern guy who they sent out to spray paint some bracket or something. Duane told him to shake the can until the ball stopped making noise and thats when you know the paint in the can was mixed. This kid shook that can for something like 2 hours. I nearly pissed myself.
Now come on... would you send an intern to do that for 2 hrs when you can have him do something else that it more efficient? Or better yet who the heck is so gullible to do that?
From the little I've seen and heard about, I'd say it’s ALL staged.

I've been around some guys that work really hard.. and you are right, they just keep their mouths closed and their eyes focused on the task at hand. If it wasn't for the guys that work hard, Boyds or any of those places wouldn't be around for long. Without at least one or two of those guys around you get shoddy work. Chip's a great guy and all... but he's got to have some hard working guys behind him with handfuls of talent. American Hotrod is all staged, how many times has any of those hard working guys left (not the smartass camera hogs) and amazingly been back... talented guys like that would not have been back if they really left.

Here's how I look at it...


"If she were a he would we even be having this conversation?"


She's talked about not for her skill, but because she's a novelty. That isn't to say she isn't skilled (she is) but it's nothing groundbreaking. I wish her all the best, but I see the buzz for what it is.. marketing. She's a gearhead with more skill than some on here and less than others. :shrug:

:captain:

Sums it up best in my opinion..

So we got 7 pages of evidence that says she's not that big of a deal :rofl: she's got something going for her

If she was a 20 year old guy hiring an agent and trolling for sponsorships from guys like Scott.....absolutely we'd be having this conversation. Gender would make no difference.

Look, here's my arguement in a nutshell. Hot Rodding has always been a man’s domain. It’s been dominated by men, that fact you can’t argue. Whenever a woman steps into a man’s domain whether it be Basketball, Football, Baseball, or whatever…she’s immediately put under a microscope and every move she makes is scrutinized. I wish it wasn’t like that, but it is. You make one wrong move and suddenly all your credibility goes down the drain. Men are less forgiving of women then they are of other men…it’s unfortunate, but that’s just how it is. Look at Michelle Wie the LPGA golfer who tried to enter a PGA tournament. As soon as she set foot on the turf every eyeball on that course was on her. And of course every mistake she made was amplified. Liz Miles has a chance to make some serious noise in this hobby and maybe raise awareness to other woman who aspire to participate in it. The Hot Rod feature was a great start and hell getting on AHR is awesome for her too. But when you start doing stuff like hiring an agent and trolling for sponsorships from website administrators…that’s going to get out and when it does it’s going to rub people the wrong way. Let it linger long enough and it will soon turn into a bad taste in the mouth, especially if you're a girl making these mistakes in a room full of guys. I just don’t wanna see it happen to her because I think she’s a cool chick that genuinely loves this hobby and is cognizant of it.

I know it sounds like I'm being hard on her but really I'm in her corner. I wish she would just let the accolades come to her rather than lobby for them. I truly want to see her succeed (as a builder) because I think this hobby can only benefit from more ethnic as well as gender diversity.

In other words....this hobby could use more Stacy Tuckers.

Steve!

X3..........

Tony!

X2

John

Maybe this makes a point, I have been around this hobby all my life and I have no idea who Stacy Tucker is! I do however know who Liz Miles is. :Shrug

Well!!...................Liz made it thru 1 1/2 episodes......Didn't quite make it to the end of two.........Jo (the Goddess) didn't like her so she got "Puff Boy" to get rid of her.......Too Bad......Coddington is a "Joke"....

Ken

Gone already?

best thing for her -you watch she will be with foose or hard shine I heard he fired the girl from the show needs a replacement-good luck liz

This is my surprised look. :)

SHE'S GONE, ALREADY? :lol: :wow:

You never know what goes on behind closed doors but I can't imagine that Liz would have been blatantly rude to Jo Coddington to the point where Boyd had to sabotage her check and then fire her. Very strange turn of events. But then again you don't know the real story.

My personal opinion....I think Jo Coddington had a problem with a young pretty girl stealing her thunder from the TV cameras. I don't think she liked the competition.

I was sort of thinking the same thing Tony. Based on what they showed last night, it seemed like Liz was a positive addition to the shop. I can't remember a time when someone was fired and the coworkers (Robert specifically) came over to say something encouraging even though he was quick to make the typical "girl in a man's business" comments last week. Even Duane seemed to warm up a bit to her when she came in to say good bye and thank him.

Oh well, I hope she can take something positive from the experience and move on to something that's a better fit for her.

This came right off her website:

"I worked with 2 of their sheet metal guys in Lazze's metal working class which was covered by the show American Hot Rod. Production saw potential in me being a part of their shop so they asked me down to LA to talk to Boyd."

Potential for what ?
Made for TV Drama ?
This leads me to believe it was staged for PR.
I may be wrong, but all the signs I have read, point in that direction.