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A cheap axle swap that is easy to find for 67-68 mustangs is a ford explorer rear. It's the best deal, many came with 3:73 and limited slip, and early ones came with drum brakes others came with factory rear disc. The width is perfect no cutting, you will have to move the axle perchs.
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Thanks for the reply. I found out yesterday that the guy I bought the C4 from, also has a rear end out of a 68 Mustang. So that should be a direct bolt in. I am actually leaving to pick it up in about an hour. :thumbsup: I will post pics in a few days. :thumbsup:
How does this sound for a tire setup? I shouldnt have too many rubbing issues with these sizes. 235 40 17 IN FRONT. 275 40 17 IN REAR. |
Welcome back Adam. Sorry to hear about the back issues but it sounds like every thing is headed in a positive direction over all. Can't help with the parts you need but I do like the exhaust you plan on using for the car. Good luck!
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Looks like this 68 rear end will be a direct bolt in. Even the driveshaft fits perfect. But I wont be bolting this into the car until later after we get the car rolling or if the 14" wheels and tires sell. Sheesh I didnt realize how wide the rear tires were on my 69 Camaro until this pic. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...513_556791.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...527_345152.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...539_796019.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...552_505445.jpg |
Some interresting results after dropping the engine down last night off the engine stand.
74 Flywheel 14" 74 Torque converter holes 11.5" 68 Flywheel 13" 68 Torque converter holes 10.5" Soooo the 74 flywheel on the engine will have to be removed. I am going to try the 68 Flywheel and torque converter on Thursday to see if that will bolt up. It that works I will have to try a 68 Starter and hope that will work. Some more information I found out is that the 67 Tranny I unbolted from the straight 6 would have worked IF I bought a different bell housing. Cant believe how much these 2 trans look alike considering one trans was on a straight 6 and the other was on a 289. Sure seems like they are both C4 trans to me. This number is on the front of both of them. RF-C4-AR TA105-A Now for pics. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...mages/26/a.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...086_879240.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...226_208965.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...244_164833.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...256_609745.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...318_402763.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...332_733446.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...948_454395.jpg |
Check out this link for wheel and tire fitment for early stangs
You would be surprised what you can fit on a 67/68 Mike http://www.dodgestang.com/Tire%20Fit...ide%2065-6.pdf |
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Hey Adam, welcome back, sorry to hear about the back, nice to see you workin on the cars again, congrats on the wedding, Just did the same thing in April,
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Thanks Steve. My back was the easy part. Its the Vertigo problem that requred surgery and has been a constant issue.
Spent about 4 hours in the garage trying to piece this together with all the different bell housing, flywheel, and tranny combinations. After several mock ups, I finally got the flywheel, bell housing and starter to work. But it required quite a bit of modification to the spacer bracket that is between the block and the flywheel. I ended up drilling some new holes in the spacer bracket and re-located the starter hole by about half an inch. Thats what the cardboard starter template was for. After doing all of that it worked!!! The starter bolted up in the proper location next to the flywheel and the bell housing bolted on and cleared everything. In fact I used a jumper box to actually turn the engine over last night!!! :) So now that the everything bolts up and engine turns over, I just need to get the broken bolt out of the back of the block and get a few more tranny bolts. Then I can put the engine and tranny into the car. I also bolted up the Polyeurethane tranny mount right before I went in for the night. Very productive and exciting night. :) 68 Flywheel bolted onto 74 engine but the 68 starter is about an inch from the flywheel because of the 74 spacer plate. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...010_258481.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...028_590279.jpg Time to modify the spacer plate so the starter fits closer to the 68 starter. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...046_496824.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...064_278917.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...079_160093.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...092_314706.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...107_456661.jpg Starter bolted up after spacer plate is modified. Had to relocate the starter hold and had to drill out several other holes so the bell housing would bolt up to the back of the engine and still have the starter bolt up. Perfect fit!!!! http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...127_659721.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...146_951831.jpg Used this jumper to turn the engine over. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...163_908575.jpg |
I can only post 14 images so here are the rest.
Spacer plate and toque converter installed. I will reinstall the starter again after the engine and trans are in the car. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...187_431729.jpg Installed poly tranny mount. Will tighten after the install. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...203_223623.jpg Tranny ready to be bolted up after broken bolt is removed from block. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...218_326212.jpg Broken bolt still in block. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...231_726617.jpg |
Progress always feels good.
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The plan right now is to drop the engine/trans into the Mustang next Saturday the 27th mainly as a mockup and to make sure they work. I would hate to clean this up and find out it doesnt run. If it runs and the tranny works then hopefully we will get to drive it a few times before winter hits. Once winter comes I will pull the engine and trans again. Then by next spring I will clean them up, swap in headers, probably convert the engine to 4 barrel, and throw on some paint. I am just so happy I got the 68 bell housing, 68 starter, 68 flywheel, and 68 tranny to work on this 74 engine and 74 spacer plate. It wasnt a direct bolt in, but with some modification and re-engineering, it works now. :unibrow:
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Welcome back Adam, was wondering what the hell happened to you. :cheers:
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Its good to be back and feels great getting some dirt under my nails again. Oh yeah I think I am still hosting a couple of your videos on my site.
Yup I sure do. Ryans car (Rybar). http://www.adfabdesign.com/Videos/Ry...utside%201.mpg http://www.adfabdesign.com/Videos/Ry...utside%202.mpg I still love the color of your car. |
Had to remove the spacer plate last night from behind the flywheel because the torque convertor bolts were hitting it. But now everything is together. The next step is to remove the broken studs from the bottom of the manifolds and get a couple more tranny bolts. I also need to bolt on the crossmember. After that it should be ready to put into the Mustang this Saturday the 27th. :)
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Engine and transmission are ready to be installed and I am still on track to have all of this installed tomorrow the 27th. :)
1. All the tranny bolts to engine are in 2. Crossmember is on the trans with new poly tranny mount 3. Exhaust manifold lower bolts are removed. We used a torche and unscrewed the broken bolts. 4. Intake plate for lifting the engine and tranny is installed. 5. Oil dipstick tube is bolted on. Hopefully that wont be in the way. Might have to remove it. 6. I might install the starter before I put the eng/trans into the car. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...793_906457.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...809_532195.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...824_727400.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...842_758996.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...852_454499.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...862_246919.jpg |
Dropped the engine and tranny into the car on Saturday but it looks like the center link, crossmember, and the power steering power cylinder are all in the way. The 74 oil pan has the drop down in the back of the engine. The stock 67 has it in the front of the engine to clear the steering components and crossmember.
So at this point I have to get a different oil pan, oil pump pickup, and dipstick tube. Also as you can see from the tire pic, the car still needs to come down at least 5 inches in the front. This tire pic is WITH the engine and trans setting in the car. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...712_239989.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...896_881241.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...736_313114.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...749_176853.jpg |
68 chrome oil pan, chrome oil pan bolts, oil pan gaskets, 68 oil pump pickup, and 68 motor mounts. The lower part of the oil pan actualy faces the front of the engine for the 67-68 Mustangs. If the engine starts Saturday I will pull it back out. Then I will clean up the engine, paint it, and hopefully I can get all of this back into the car before the end of the holiday weekend.
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ITS ALIVE AND RUNNING!!!
Made some MASSIVE progress over the holiday. After replacing the distribitor with a points style distributor it fired right up! Not only did it fire right up, it didnt knock, didnt smoke or anything. It started and idled perfectly! Simply amazing for a junkyard engine that hasnt run for at least 2-3 years. By far the most exciting moment for this car in a long time. So after that great news, we pulled the engine and tranny back out of the car. Then Heather cleaned up the engine compartment and painted it flat black. While Heather was cleaning and painting the engine compartment, I degreased the engine and power washed it. After that I painted everything on the engine silver just to clean it up. After that we put the new oil pickup on the engine, the new oil pan, new oil dipstick tube, and new motor mounts. Then we dropped it all back into the car and bolted up the tranny crossmember. Direct bolt in and the driveshaft will be a direct bolt in too. All we have left to do now is make some brackets that go from the Mustang to the new V8 motor mounts on the engine. Right now I have it sitting on a couple blocks of wood for the motor mount bracket mockup. I cant believe how far this car come over the weekend. Major progress!! :) BEFORE http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...379_158025.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...397_432010.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...410_906539.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...424_557395.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...439_840477.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...457_951776.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...472_534847.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...488_822172.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...506_384607.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...523_407555.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...535_908897.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...557_982791.jpg |
Just purchased these last night for the 67 Fastback Mustang. The Momo Trek Alcantara wheel is usually $250.00 and we got it off Craigslist brand new for only $125.00. Had to drive for an hour to get it but well worth the drive. Really starting to love Craigslist. And our chrome shock tower brackets came in last night too. Our new chrome monte carlo bar and Momo steering wheel adapter brackets should hopefully be coming within the next few days. :)
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Some bad news and good news. Bad news is that they dont make adapters to fit a Momo Steering wheel onto a 67 Mustang. Good news is that I will make my own bracket using the Grant hub and the adapter that I received with the momo wheel. The other good news is that I made quite a bit more progress this weekend.
1. Motor mount brackets are bolted up to engine and frame 2. Chrome monte carlo bar installed with stainless steel bolts 3. Carburetor installed 4. Radiator installed 5. Cross member is all bolted up 6. Chrome strut tower brackets installed with stainless steel bolts 7. Strut tower support brace bolts replaced with stainless steel bolts 8. Distributor cap and rotor installed. Will replace with new cap and rotor soon. 9. Fan and pulleys installed 10. Starter wire bolted up 11. Cut brackets for momo wheel to steering column. Tonight I will finish making the adapter to fit the MOMO steering wheel and get the Momo wheel onto the car. Next weekend I will be installing the Saleen exhaust! http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...835_949050.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...849_293769.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...861_697303.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...873_984460.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...883_152624.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...895_922843.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...908_226686.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...925_861416.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...938_428312.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...952_194086.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...966_906657.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...980_981371.jpg |
So is Heather ready to drive this thing yet?
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Heather has been ready. The proper question would be ....."Is the car ready for Heather to drive?" And the answer is no. The car is still has quite a ways to go before its "safely" drivable. We will probably only have enough time this year to get a couple shaker runs out of it before winter hits.
Last night I spent about an hour and welded together a bracket out of 1/8" steel that adapts from the MOMO steering wheel to the Grant 67 Mustang hub. The MOMO steering wheel is on!!! :D More good news. I will be bringing the car to my friends shop this weekend and we will be running the Saleen S281 exhaust!! :D http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...449_888576.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...464_541690.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...501_449868.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...512_246468.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...561_506931.jpg |
Bought a chrome Edelbrock air cleaner and oil breather cleaner for our 67 Fastback Mustang. Then started mocking up the Saleen S281 exhaust tips to get a rough idea of where I will be cutting the rear of the car. My friend is bringing over a trailer and we will be bringing the Mustang to his shop tomorrow. The plan is to run the entire Saleen S281 exhaust system this weekend using Flowmaster 40 series mufflers. I will still have to split the rear bumper and french in the license plate. Similar to the Murcielago exhaust setup on my 69 Camaro. :)
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My neighbor and I loaded up the Mustang and trailered it to his shop on Saturday. We spent 12 straight hours working on the long list of items for the car. Also worked on it a little yesterday.
This is what my neighbor and I accomplished over the weekend. 1. Removed the old gas tank which surprisingly leaves a massive hole in the trunk. The top of the gas tank is actually the trunk floor. lol 2. Plasma cut out the body at the rear of the car for the Saleen S281 Exhaust. This is only a rough cut and will be cleaned up later. 3. Installed the 40 series Flowmasters and Saleen S281 exhaust. True dual exhaust front to rear. We even welded shut the middle between the saleen S281 tips. 4. Removed the old rusty front frame pieces and welded in new ones. This took several hours and was a messy disaster. I love how solid the car is now with the frame pieces. Plus seeing the new floor board, the new exhaust, new mufflers, and the new frame pieces looks awesome under the car. 5. Welded the tranny crossmember support bracket to the floor for extra strength and stability. 6. Installed both transmission lines to the radiator. 7. Started working on running the power steering lines to the new power steering pump. 8. Repaired a bad spot in the rear driver frame. I plan to replace these rear frames eventually. 9. Removed the original shifter because it was very sloppy. 10. Removed all the unnecessary brackets and lines from under the car. 11. Welded and repaired a crack in the tranny crossmember. 12. Installed the driveshaft. Direct bolt in! 13. Repaired the distributor coil bracket and bolted the coil to the front of the engine instead of on top of the intake. 14. Shortened and re-arranged some of the wires on the engine for a cleaner look and for better organization. 15. Changed the oil and oil filter 16. Removed the front carpet so it wouldnt catch on fire while welding in the front frame pieces. haha 17. Installed a driveshaft loop between the exhaust pipes for safety plus it added a some more stability to the exhaust. 18. Installed a threaded rod for the new Edelbrock air cleaner Still a lot to do before its drivable but we made some massive progress this weekend and the front frames were a huge step forward to make the car stronger. Yesterday we started the Mustang with the new Saleen S281 exhaust. Heather loves the way it sounds but its too quite for me. Once we get headers installed next year it will be louder which should make both of us happy. http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...906_447418.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...919_560639.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...934_350732.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...957_375964.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...970_690976.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...985_201363.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...000_822647.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...018_280340.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...035_887352.jpg http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/files/po...051_517609.jpg |
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Good progress. What size pipe is the Saleen exhause tips piece? Looks pretty small.
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Thanks. I was very happy with the progress especially on Saturday. Installing the front frames wasnt even on the list but once I had the car up on the lift, I decided we should just go for it.
I think the Saleen tubing at the end is about 1 3/4". Yes its small. But since this is a bone stock 74 302 with only maybe 200hp I figure it will be fine for now. Next year when we install the headers I will decide if I want to increase the size of the rear Saleen tubing. |
The Mustang is drivable!!! Kinda..
Made some excellent progress over the weekend. I was able to complete everything I wanted listed below. After all of this I was able to drive it forward and backward in the garage. It was raining so I couldnt drive it outside. I plan to at least drive it up and down the driveway whenever it quits raining. Hopefully tonight after work. :) 1. Built the top and bottom adapter hoses to go from the 6 cylinder radiator to the V8 engine. I used steel pipe for this. Temporary fix until I get a V8 radiator next year. 2. Installed the power steering lines using compression fittings and brake lines 3. Built the entire throttle assembly from gas pedal, to firewall, to carb. 4. Installed new fuel filter 5. Installed the shifter,shifter linkage, and speedometer cable. 6. Assembled the driver and passenger seat slider assemblies 7. Bolted in driver side seat and set it up so it was perfect for Heather. 8. Poured in 5 quarts of trannsmission fluid. Just enough to get it moving. Need to get a few more quarts tonight. |
Took the Mustang for its first official drive in over 2 years!!!
FINALLY!! After all the hard work this summer we finally went for our first official drive on Saturday. The car is running very well. I attempted this on monday but was having some problems with the car stalling when I put it in gear and that was just frustrating. So I decided to give the car a break for the week just to get away from it. Well Saturday I went back at it again and found out I had a vacuum leak on the carb. So I replaced the line, added a return spring to the carb, fixed a few other things and the car is just running so well now. Exhaust sounds great, car shifts great, runs great, steers very well with the new power steering setup, and just all around is doing very well. I also adjusted the front end a little because it was toed out quite a bit. Brakes still suck since its 4 wheel drums with no power brakes. But I already have an 11" slotted disk conversion set I plan to install next year. So other than the brakes being old and crappy, the Mustang is drivable!!! :D :D |
I dont plan to do much else to the car this year with the cold weather coming and lack of money. But this is what I accomplished over the weekend.
-Welded in 8 custom seat brackets for driver and passenger seats. The seats set up nice and high. Ergonomically engineered for Heather. -Welded in temporary crossbar for the 5 point seatbelt harness mockup. -Installed front and rear carpet. -Installed driver and passenger racing seats. -Installed 5 point racing seat belt harness for driver seat. Still need a 5 point harness for passenger seat. -Extended the plug wire for the neutral safety switch by 6 inches to add more clearance. 4 total wires, a plug, and 8 crimp adaptors. -Removed passenger valve cover to check for light rocker noise. I think a push rod might be plugged or a lifter is plugged. I will resolve this next year when I install a new 4 barrel carb and intake. Then I can check all the lifters and push rods to make sure they are getting proper oil. -Worked on the wiring for the Alternator. Its still not working yet so I need to take the alternator down to make sure it works. |
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