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GvEman 12-08-2008 04:22 AM

That looks incredible beautifull! Collor is amazing! Actualy one of the first '74-'80 camaros that i realy like! But then its only the body that are stock ;)

silver63c10 12-15-2008 11:15 AM

T'was a good Sunday..got the nose on and pulled it outside, pretty good feeling. After we pulled it back in we decided to turn it around so it actually got to touch the road (and I fought off the temptation to take it down the street since we still haven't aligned everything..).

New video..I think it's getting louder as it gets broken in...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq7qZq5VGf8

It Fits!
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4662.jpg

Well, almost...damn aftermarket fenders. I managed to get it lined up, after an hour or so of work. Not overly happy with the gaps on everything but it's not bad for a glass hood and a mismatched set of fenders.
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4663.jpg

Raised it up a bit more in the front, needs a shorter spring to bring the rear down a touch and I'll be happy
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4674.jpg

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4686.jpg

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4692.jpg

silver63c10 12-15-2008 11:16 AM

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4696.jpg

A bit lighter than the original bumper..just don't lean on it..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4704.jpg

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4712.jpg

Speedjunkie 12-15-2008 07:14 PM

What are you going to use the car for, weekend? scca? autocross?

Looks great!:thumbsup:

rlplive 12-15-2008 08:10 PM

looks great, you can't beat the steelie cragers for price

rich-allen 12-16-2008 05:31 AM

I really like that color :thumbsup:

It's amazing how much the body changed from 69.



Rich

silver63c10 12-29-2008 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedjunkie (Post 183654)
What are you going to use the car for, weekend? scca? autocross?

It will see the drag strip the most, but autocross, track days, and the Texas Mile are in the plans.


Well, Christmas was fun, 4 straight 6+ hour days in the shop, got it insulated, windowed, headlighted and blinkered, and front and rear aligned, and finally took it down the road Sunday afternoon (before the first of the year, I knew we could do it!!)

Video (that I'm too lazy to edit) - couple hard hits of the throttle in there, just stick with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eFJx9Q0oc

We had ordered Hushmat for it..then decided against it due to both the price and the weight..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4781.jpg

Went to Lowe's and got this, $16 for a big roll, weighs next to nothing
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4782.jpg

And used velcro to lay it down so we can pull it out if needed
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4797.jpg

Continued..

silver63c10 12-29-2008 08:17 PM

Also did a little resto work on the original door panels.

Started with this..here's why we don't smoke, kids
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4800.jpg

Cleaned..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4801.jpg

And dyed..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4796.jpg

Gave it eyes..gotta do a little more work on the headlight trim rings before they can go on
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4787.jpg

And tackled the window hurdle (luckily they will only go back in one way)
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_4815.jpg

Registration, insurance, and some carpet and we're ready to go. Now to get everything broken in..

ScotI 06-14-2009 07:11 AM

I was just out @ a local drag strip here in N.Tx last night (Redline Raceway, Greenville Tx) & saw this car @ the track.

I thought it was super clean & went to get a closer look. The more I looked... the more I liked. I got to meet & chat w/the owners & bench-race a little while learning their plans for the car. Very nice group to say the least.

It wasn't until I was driving home that I kept running the car thru my brain thinking...... "man, it seems like I've seen that car before somewhere". Sure enough, I started looking back through here @ a Camaro I remembered that I thought was a pretty neat build & it was indeed the same car.

Again, nice car & even nicer people. Good luck @ Drag Week!
Scot

MaxHarvard 06-14-2009 07:45 AM

Good looking car! :yes:

silver63c10 07-28-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScotI (Post 218229)
Again, nice car & even nicer people. Good luck @ Drag Week!
Scot

Wow, just now found this, I presume you're the one we talked trucks with for a while? Thanks for the kind words, I guess I could update this once in a while :lol:

We've been focused on Drag Week since we got the car rolling, so it hasn't seen much time in the twisties yet. I'm thinking it'll find a set of Hoosier or Kumho slicks soon after September, I'm itching to get it a little sideways.

It's all together, interior is pretty much finished up, here's a few pics and videos to sum up the last 7 months or so -

Got it all legal, put some street miles on it
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c.../IMG_4851B.jpg

Recall is fun, I love the Racepak
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c.../IMG_5093A.JPG

Pulled the motor to look over everything and change out the clutch
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_5337.jpg

Took it back to the track, GRENADED said new clutch
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...es/clutch2.JPG

Threw some carpet in it a few weeks ago
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_5497.jpg

After a few months of frustration, it finally earned a name
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...ages/spawn.JPG

And, got our Drag Week trailer setup all sorted out last weekend
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_5610.jpg

Everything's pretty much set, just gotta get as many passes on it between now and then as we can to get it dialed in and get our routine down. Best so far was back in March, 7.26 in the 1/8th. We'll be going to Ennis in a few weeks to see what it's got in the 1/4.

And, finally, a few videos...




frankenstang 07-28-2009 07:49 PM

Looks like that scatter shield was the BEST money spent. I read thru the posts and saw the DFX clutch, said to myself 'that wont last long' which one was the one that shattered?

silver63c10 07-28-2009 07:59 PM

I can definitely thank Lakewood for at least my right foot..and probably my left too. The DFX is actually back in it now, and seems to be holding up pretty well. We pulled it, thinking it was cooked, but figured out it had some preload on the throwout bearing. We tossed it back in after the second one let go just to see if it would hold up and it's going like a champ so far. It's going to get a lot more testing before we haul off to Indiana, though.

The one that blew up was from a local shop we were recommended to. It was a stock style Borg & Beck pressure plate, and lasted 2 and a half passes, launched it at about 6k in 2nd gear :lol: Got our money back on it, but it ruined the Fidanza aluminum flywheel in the process. Live and learn..

ScotI 07-29-2009 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silver63c10 (Post 225811)
Wow, just now found this, I presume you're the one we talked trucks with for a while? Thanks for the kind words, I guess I could update this once in a while :lol:

Yep... It was me that spoke w/you, your dad & grand-father @ RedLine. Ouch on that clutch.... Did you need a new suit after that lil' bang? :lol:

silver63c10 07-29-2009 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScotI (Post 225888)
Yep... It was me that spoke w/you, your dad & grand-father @ RedLine. Ouch on that clutch.... Did you need a new suit after that lil' bang? :lol:

It actually didn't even really phase me, it just made a little pop and sounded like a bunch of gravel rattling around under the floor. I was more confused than anything else, then when I pushed in the clutch and the pedal stayed on the floor I put two and two together :lol:

silver63c10 08-11-2009 09:20 PM

Had a good Friday night, it likes 4.86's a LOT :cool:

Awesome pics from texpic.net
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._6263629_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1582100_n.jpg

And some videos..




Best so far, would have been a 6 with decent air, I think


Carried the wheels a bit on this one, launched at 5800. Giddy laughter followed for the next hour or so..


It went 7.33, 7.86, 7.33, 7.23, 7.35, and 7.31..the thing's a bracket car when I have all my crap together :D

ScotI 08-12-2009 04:25 PM

Schweet!

silver63c10 09-07-2009 08:33 PM

Got some 1/4 mile passes with it back a few weeks ago, drove it to Texas Motorplex (~130 miles, trailer in tow), made 5 passes, and drove back home, trouble free.

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_5606.jpg

Best launch of the night


And best ET - 11.36 at 121


I decided I'd work on a few little projects this weekend, then we got it tucked away and ready for the haul to Indiana Friday (ahhhhhh, finally almost time..)

I'll be posting updates to our website each day during Drag Week - http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/blog

One thing that's bugged me the last few months is not having the lower grill, and not wanting to spend the money on a repro one that I'm not sure would fit in there with the way things are kind of deflected down there. So begins the cheap ass kinda hokey lower grill project..

Step one, hack it down to the appropriate height with the bandsaw..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c.../IMG_5619b.jpg

Scotch Brite, Trim Black..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c.../IMG_5619c.jpg

Shoot a few screws in the top and it's..well, better than it was..
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_5614.jpg

Gave it a quick wash and a blast down the road to make sure everything's still kosher, and it's time to put it to bed..

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c...s/IMG_5616.jpg

The little trailer fits like a glove behind it
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/c.../IMG_5619a.jpg

silver63c10 09-24-2009 10:50 AM

Well, we survived, finally made it back to Texas in one piece Sunday afternoon.

Final count, 1750 miles pulling the car with the truck, 1200 miles driving the car track to track, 21 passes on the car shifting at 7,400 every gear, and no major problems except changing the water pump in Michigan after it started pushing grease out of the front bearing. Not a bad week, I don't think.

We ended up finishing with the 5th quickest average in Daily Driver, 11.20. Got our 10 on the second pass Friday, and managed to make it to the third round of the daily driver bracket race before the brain took over and I red lit against the guy who won overall, so I was pretty pleased with that too.

Some pretty cool shots from 1320video -

Our mongoloid mismatched wheel setup on the street
http://www.1320video.com/img/DW09Fri...0557.sized.jpg

http://www.1320video.com/img/DW09Fri...1818.sized.jpg

Function > Form
http://www.1320video.com/img/DW09Fri...1819.sized.jpg

http://www.1320video.com/img/DW09Fri...1820.sized.jpg

http://www.1320video.com/img/DW09Fri...0796.sized.jpg

And my favorites..
http://www.1320video.com/img/DW09Tue...0165.sized.jpg

Took care of our first 6 and first 10 in one shot. I was on the tree fairly well by Friday, too.
http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/b...FE11A7BB7.jpeg

Two of the better passes -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFTs3sFz4bo - Day 3 at Norwalk, wheels up launch, still on 93 and plugs loaded up from the 180 mile drive that morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ltYV74tVhk - Day 5 at Muncie, 10.99 at 124 on 100 octane

syborg tt 09-24-2009 11:21 AM

that is awesome - Kudo's to you guy's

1964_442 10-10-2009 10:03 AM

nice car!!!!!

gearheads78 10-10-2009 12:46 PM

kick ass car ....nice job making it through drag week.

any changes made getting it to 6.99/10.9 range or just better air

silver63c10 01-25-2010 08:18 PM

I keep forgetting to update my thread here. We made one last trip to the track back in November, ran a best of 11.08 (twice..) and then headed home to ponder autocross setup.



The car's had a moderate oil leak off the back of the motor for some time, and it gradually increased to a pour the last few months so we decided to pull it to look everything over, since we've put nearly 3,000 miles on it along with close to 100 passes.



Meanwhile, I've been thrashing on my Scion getting into the corner carving mood..one track day and an autocross already down for the year.



And, we got the motor torn down last weekend. Had a few intake valves leaking by, and one hole had some blow by on the rings, so we decided to tear it all the way down and freshen it up. I'm hooked on this timelapse thing :)



We've got a posi center section for the 9" to go in place of the spool, and we'll most likely throw some Schoenfeld header mufflers on and leave the rest of the exhaust off so we can sit it down on the ground. Now the fun part-sorting out our Frankenstein suspension :willy:

silver63c10 01-25-2010 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearheads78 (Post 239966)
kick ass car ....nice job making it through drag week.

any changes made getting it to 6.99/10.9 range or just better air

Thanks, sorry I just now saw this. About all we changed after getting up there was the launch RPM, moved up from 5400 the last time we ran down here up to 6000 the last day. Also ran it a little deeper each shift as the week went, 7500 compared to about 7300 before. The air was definitely the biggest factor.

MSchu 06-22-2010 08:05 PM

I was gonna ask whats new, any updates but then saw the website and blog...:thumbsup:

silver63c10 09-29-2010 04:14 PM

Wow, life gets in the way a lot here lately, been forever since I updated this. We've pushed the autocross/g-machine phase back somewhat indefinitely, after bringing the car out to the track in the spring we figured out the synchros in the TREMEC are pretty much trashed. Turns out they mean it when they say not to shift it past 7k, who knew?

So, instead of rebuilding it, and my dad still not being able to drive the car, we elected to build a TH350 and so he could go bracket racing. It still launches all crazy, and we've finally cracked 6's in Texas. After flirting with 7.0's all summer, we finally got into the 6's a few weekends ago. Hopefully that translates to mid 10.80s in the 1/4, too, we'll find out before we put it to bed for winter.

Car still looks the same, except we put big yellow numbers on the windows :lol:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2673733_n.jpg

http://www.acmeautopartsonline.com/b...D5B0E32AF.jpeg

ScotI 09-29-2010 06:40 PM

1.53 60'..... And guys claim those dang truck arms can't hook :) . Big converter for the t350?

silver63c10 09-29-2010 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScotI (Post 308292)
1.53 60'..... And guys claim those dang truck arms can't hook :) . Big converter for the t350?

Yep, I like our old farm truck suspension :cool: It's actually a tenth off from what it was with the stick, we saw consistent mid 1.40's before, as low as 1.43. The converter is a leftover from the old days, little 8" set up for a 468 with a trans-brake in a dragster. It only stalls to about 2200.

With 5.14s and a looser converter it would pick up some more, but using what we have laying around is more our style :lol:

silver63c10 09-18-2012 03:40 PM

Holy thread resurrection Batman - time for a little update and some new plans!

The little Hellspawn Camaro is still kicking. After two and a half seasons of bracket racing, along with a total drivetrain overhaul finally done in my truck, we've finally gotten back to talk of the second phase of the project (and the relevant part to this site, oddly enough): Autocross and track days.

We'll be heading to the bracket finals with it in a few weeks, then serious discussions of the plan for next year will begin. Already have a posi going together to replace the spool, and a six speed from American Powertrain is likely next on the list.

So, the real question is: how crazy would it be to run an Optima qualifier and Drag Week in the same year? :willy:

And, what would an update be without a few pics?

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6104/6...a36d53c0_z.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6093/6...f2cd6e5d_z.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6222/6...c19be484_z.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6044/6...979d6ac7_z.jpg

WSSix 09-18-2012 05:48 PM

Nice pictures. I really like the burn out photo :thumbsup:

silver63c10 05-19-2014 06:27 PM

Let's bring this back from the dead one more time - it's finally time to start hanging corners with this thing!

...

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2805/...6b555015_z.jpg

..well, it will be this summer sometime. Hopefully..you know how that goes.

So we made the decision going into winter last year that it was time to do something besides go in a straight line. We originally built the car to drag race, standing mile, and road race/autocross, with as much of the original build equipment as possible.

A few detours have come in along the way, but we're heading toward the autocross stage now (which will conveniently set us up for some mile racing as well).

So, what's on the list of things to do?

Engine refresh (check)
Ditch the TH350 trans (check)
Gear swap from 5.83s/spool to 4.86s/Torsen diff (check)
Brake flush/bleed (check)
Get a new manual trans since we sold the old one (check)
Faattt wheels and tires (partial check - 265/285 RS-3s to start)
Exhaust hangdownectomy to facilitate way lower ride height (soon)
Up the front spring rate
Handling alignment
Install brake bias adjuster
...
..and much more that I'm sure I'm forgetting

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5541/...22b359c6_z.jpg

We opted to go with an American Powertrain TKO600 Extreme. We put a stock TKO in the car during the initial build, but found after 130 or so passes at the drag strip and a few thousand street miles, it wouldn't stand up to 7k+ shifts (as they said it wouldn't in the first place).

AP claims their upgrades to the TKO facilitate a higher power rating (not of concern to us just yet), and more importantly, much improved high RPM shifting (definitely of concern to us).

After several delays, phone calls, and other mishaps, it's finally in our possession and ready to be bled and tossed in with a new Lakewood bellhousing.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5501/...95e18ccd_z.jpg

We plan on hitting the local autocrosses that I've been running in my 350Z daily driver, as well as at least the Texas USCA event in 2015. With homebuilt suspension, the high-winding, torque peaky 377 and all that gear, it should be an unholy terror.. and I can't wait to get a taste of it :)

WSSix 05-20-2014 05:33 PM

Good luck! sounds like a cool plan.

silver63c10 07-14-2014 08:42 AM

Quick update, after several slight roadblocks we are on the way to killing some cones.

Got to do a quick test drive yesterday and everything seems to be functioning normally. Need to do some alignment and corner balance work, get an oil cooler plumbed up, and a few other odds and ends and we'll be ready to disturb the peace.

Here's a quick video from yesterday's fun -


CamaroMike 07-14-2014 11:55 AM

Do you like the RS3's as much as I do? Car looks fun!

silver63c10 07-15-2014 10:45 AM

Thanks, it's an absolute blast to row it through the gears again.

The RS3s work exceptionally well on my 350Z, I love them. Sadly, they only go up to 285 though, so we'll have to switch once we step up to wider wheels on the Camaro.

Looking at the Rivals, Kumho XS, or Falkens, but haven't done much serious research yet.

WSSix 07-16-2014 05:53 AM

Congrats on getting it back on the road again. Have fun dialing it in.

silver63c10 07-31-2014 08:53 PM

Well, 5 years and change after getting it on the road for the first time, we're officially registered for its first autocross this Sunday.

Consequently, last weekend involved a pretty good thrash to get ready. Items on the list included buttoning down the updated shifter boot, toning down the exhaust, and getting it aligned.

Exhaust silencing was pretty simple. I took some 2.5" tubing, split it and offset the pieces, then clearanced the edges to more or less cover the the full inside diameter of the pipe as a sort of whoopity-doo baffle as it exits.

Since the car has an X-pipe, Spintechs, and 3.5" oval dumps in front of the tire, there was plenty of room to improve. This relatively simple solution seems to have toned it down substantially, but the proof will be in us not getting kicked out Sunday. There's no hard decibel limit at this site, but flat-out obnoxious cars are up for a slap on the wrist. No more bleeding ears: success.

Next up, the Racequip shift boot and custom floor panel (because nothing bolts on, of course). This will get a coat of SEM trim black and some nice button head fasteners down the road, but this will do for now. No more hot air blowing in my face on the road: success.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3895/...6c12518b_z.jpg

Removing the dust caps to attach our Longacre alignment tool revealed that the drivers side spindle had started to contact the cap ever so slightly, leading to shimmering grease outside the outer bearing. Nothing throwing a few sparks can't cure.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5558/...9f8474a5_z.jpg

With that out of the way, it was on to the fun part - finally dialing some camber into those fancy control arms we installed way back when. Base setup will be -3 deg camber, just under 4 deg caster, and a 1/16th toe in. Adjustments at the track this time around will be limited to shock adjustments on the single adjustable QA1s and brake bias changes using the newly installed Wilwood magic knob.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3886/...7f51d38b_z.jpg

And, finally, how she sits (well, this was before the alignment, but you get the gist). The Enkei 18x9.5/10.5 wheels, admittedly, look much more at home on my 350Z, but I can get used to the look if they'll stick and go.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3907/...6c0b0b4d_z.jpg

Here goes nothin'..

WSSix 08-01-2014 04:06 PM

Give it hell! Just don't break anything, lol. Good luck!

silver63c10 08-04-2014 10:03 PM

Thanks! I gave it hell, and didn't break anything, so we'll call this trip a success.

All in all, for the first runs this day couldn't have gone any better. Eased through the first run - well, first half of the first run, and picked up from there (see the video below for how quickly things escalated). The car feels great overall. Pretty docile, really, compared to what I was expecting, both in terms of handling and getting the power down.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5570/...bff6a5f9_z.jpg

We had a great turnout of old iron at this event, with 6 entries in the CAM class. It was cool to have several reference points, and we ended up 4th in class. Not bad for a starting point, but there's loads of room for improvement in both the car and my comfort level with it.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3881/...f47d6792_z.jpg

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the feel. Naturally, though, there's already a list of changes to be made. Here's a rundown of the issues to be rectified -

- the rear brakes just flat aren't biting. Not sure if it's master cylinder sizing, bias bar adjustment, or other issue, but it's contributing to a ton of front dive and subsequent bottom out under braking, leading us to -

- front spring rate. Specifically, lack thereof right now. We went with 450# springs on the QA1 drop-in coilovers originally, and I pretty much knew they weren't going to be enough. 650s (the highest they have in this configuration) are on the way as of today, with eyes toward replacing them with outboard mounted units tied to the cage downbars this winter

- the rear end is quite skittish. It's controllable, and fairly predictable, but there's just not much grip. The rear sway bar will be disconnected for the next event as a starting point for correcting this

- the 4.86 gears might be a bit too tall, as this course probably could have used a shift to 3rd in a couple of spots. This was a big course, but was pretty standard for the clubs we run with

- stock 9" axle bearings don't like autocross - Strange o-ringed replacements are on the way to correct a bit of leakage on both sides

- oil cooler was already on the list, and proved to be needed. Temps were in the high 240s by the last runs

- MEAT - we'll be investigating how much rubber we can squeeze under the front in the next few weeks (rear is wide open inside and out). The plan right now is for Forgestar F14s, most likely in 10 and 12 inch widths.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3882/...56c5b928_z.jpg

The day was pretty much like operating an amusement park ride, with different passengers hopping in for 4 of the 6 runs - all leaving with a big silly grin on their face. By the end we were getting better at explaining the 5-points to the uninitiated.

It might not be the quickest (my Z would have pretty easily been 3+ seconds quicker), but touching 7500 rpm multiple times, and constant wiggle through all the corners makes for a hell of an exciting ride.

Here's video of the second and last runs of the day - turn up the speakers for full effect.



And finally, a quick shot of my (thankfully) helmeted mug on the way to the line. The grin may be covered, but I assure you it's ear to ear :lol:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/...6192f17d_z.jpg

WSSix 08-05-2014 04:09 PM

Glad you had fun. Good luck getting it sorted out. There's plenty of info here and from the site sponsors that can help.


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