Whats funny about your quote John is that other participants had technical problems and were told by Goodguys staff that if they were not in the Pros pick area by 10:30am on Saturday, they would be disqualified. Had we known that we could have hung out in our booth all day till 2pm we would have done that since having cars in your booth draws attention. I am pretty sure the other vendors would have liked that too.

Look, I don't need this to turn into a "boohoo, Fesler is a sore loser" post. I dig Troy's car alot, he is an awsome builder and we will never have anything negative to say about him. I just think the rules should be the same for everyone (or at least conveyed the same to everyone).

Carrie Fesler

as tom hanks once said about baseball............
 

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theres no whining in hot rodding........ the end
2 posts ever and both whining........
the big builders would let each other have more time, the experienced guys know what it takes and how hard it is to do these shows, just like at the drags, lose a cylinder, go next door and get one to get back racing.....

Fixed you be the judge.........
 

No whining is correct and Carrie is not whining (if you knew her you would understand) the problem we have is that we blew a bag 40 min before we had to be in the pro pick on Friday (deadline was 10am) or we were out per Goodguys rules, we were not told we had till 3pm to fix our car we were told if it was not in the area on time we could not show...... We luckily made it over there with about 10 min to spare and troys car was no where to be found it was at the back of the grounds being worked on.

At noon sharp they moved all of us minus troy over to the track to sit and wait out our times to race. We sat there from noon till 3:30 PM running (which once again was required) and troy's car was no were to be seen untill 3pm. I wish we had more time to work on suspension so we could have done better.

At which point he ran the coarse and did make it through and right after they let him take the car right back to work on it. He showed up over at PP later after all of us where there. I feel for the guy and he build top notch stuff but Goodguys makes rules for a reason. I myself along with most of the builders I am sure would of had no problem giving them more time but were never asked. If I have to be there so do they but I guess Goodguys makes the rules as they go.

There were a lot of killer cars there and the competition was great, we are not sore losers just following the rules. Regardless of what anyone on this site thinks the Blazer can run with any car out there and I think we proved that on the coarse. We drive it and we drive it hard not sandbagging it around the road coarse. We did get 7th with the blazer 1st time on the track.

If you guys would like to call it whining so be it but rules are rules and I think Goodguys really dropped the ball here.

If you had a chance to walk the show and look at all the cars I think most of you would agree that the Blazer and 69 Camaro we brought out were with all the top cars and we won nothing at the show.

Bottom line is everyone else followed the rules and Troy was given special treatment by Goodguys. Troy, Ring and all the others had bitchen cars at the show and our hats go off to Ring for the win and whats done is done.

We will not have the cars in the PP area so If you would like to see them come by our booth they will both be on display there.

lol, how many different directions can you go? its ok not everyone gets a pros pick, but the RIGHT cars made the top 5, thats for sure.

Obviously you did not get a chance to check the fit and finish on the final cars very well if you think they were the best. I dont have a problem being beat that is not the case at all, but there were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish by far...... I do have a problem being beat by a car with bad body work and paint when we spend so much time on making that perfect.

you obviously have not been to many goodguys shows, it has its own politics and your not gonna change that the 2nd time you show up.
good luck your camaro is nice, theres no need to be bitter

Not Bitter, we have been doing the Goodguys for 10 years and have been a sponsor for 3 years now. We know how it goes and just get tired of the same old sh%t at every show.

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feslers

i agree........i know it must be very upsetting to get put into this "spot"..
you and your wife have alot invested to make the "show" as those you were up against did .
you have every right to express to us what has really happened
everyone is supposed to play by the same "rules".
it is sad that you can be a real player in a competition and get bumped so to speak by someone with a bigger name , because of the name .so it would appear to us reading this post.
goodguys should have made ALL play by the same rules and if there was a problem with any one car , addressed ALL competitors and asked for input or a vote so nobody felt backhanded .then nobody would be in this situation . im sure it sucked busting ass to get your vehicle repaired as quickly as you did to make it within the time limit and rules and someone else didnt.

oh,quality doesnt always but should make a winner in the car show scene also.
most of us have come up against that....it sucks
you as an entry "make the show " what it is .so you have the right to tell your story.
i dont think anyone should look at your story and call you a sore loser.
it is what it is...
great job putting the blazer into an autocross and finishing where you did.
who would have thought.


radrambler

At the pro' pick area the car that kept bringing me back was the fesler camaro.The fit and finish on that car was second to none.Be proud Chris your car kicked ass! And not regular ass, like karate kid ass.There's something about a black that will never go out of style.

Obviously the Fesler car has fit and finish that's incredible, many people that were there said the same thing. SMOY judges must be looking at more than just fit and finish and saw something in the other cars that had them putting them in the Top 5. Doesn't mean that Chris' and others couldn't have been in there also, I think there was just a ton of quality cars there and only a few spots available.



Jody

Jody well said!
But I totally understand what Chris is saying. I can go on for hours on this subject and get my a*@ handed to me ! I choose to here what other people have to say especially any GOOD GUY'S higher ups. Its hard for a guy like me that wants to get into this arena only to have more political BS to deal with!! Im done:cheers:

Hey, there is always going to be sore spots when something is judged. Quality and style is an opinion. Maybe some clear rules stating how each part is judged and what is looked for would help. It appears that more input from Goodguys as to exactly what is looked for is needed. That being said a hot pink car with 22's might be the better quality car and have more creativity than an all black Camaro.


Your car looks killer and unlike most on these sites list your name and who you are. It is easy to post opinions when you do not post who you are. You feel there was a problem and posted what it was. I think you have valid points if rules were broken. A loss on a technical issue sucks but should be enforced no matter who you are. Then again who the F am I to get involved.

Too many nice rides and difficult I am sure to judge and make everyone happy.


Wait till next year when everybody shows up with pro drivers. Didn't JR have a Camaro built by DSE?

Totally agreed Jody,politics are involved with every show...especially a GG show.
Chris,from what I could see in the limited pictures that were presented,your Camaro is arrow straight and the finish is spectaular...no doubt...and I didn't even see it in person to be able to figure that out.
It is what it is man:yes: ...keep on keeping on doing what you do and your day will come.:thumbsup:

There were 5 cars outside with better fit and finish then the 5 finalist?

Jake I would have to disagree on the top five. Im not saying that the five picked didnt deserve it. But the 72 red cuda should have been one of the five IMO I believe the judges overlooked that car. It also would of broke up the multiple camaro and camaro/nova choices.
dave

that 'cuda was really nice. Another car with tuning issues (slow track time). The twin-procharged 6.1 HEMI was definitely an eye catcher. I think that the smoothed over "street rod" styling wasn't what the judges were looking for in a street machine IMO.

As others have said, lot of really nice cars that could have held their own in the top five. So many varying styles to choose from, and each have their merits. Congrats to those who made it and of course to Mike & Jim for outdoing themselves with the Razor.

:cool:

I noticed a trend in 4 of the 5 "top 5" cars... low on bling in the engine bay and wheels especially.

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I was gonna rant on this subject but that said it for me. I'll say no more :rolleyes:
2 out of 5 right is not bad is it?:_paranoid

I was glad to get the opportunity to look over the top 5 yesterday after reading Chris Fesler's post on Saturday night. With any judged event there is going to be some second guessing. I have to say that though I did see the things I think he was talking about, it would have been pretty boring to have this lineup.

black Camaro
black Camaro
black Camaro
gray Camaro
gray Nova-maro

I can imagine the cursing that happened when the trunk on the Time Machines Camaro got crunched. Anybody else see that it looked like someone closed it on top of something?

Jeff When that that happen to mikes car I taked to Mike for about an hour and nothing was said or it happened on Sunday after I left.

Chris I talked to you breifly at the show and Im not an expert in any way but one thing I noticed is that the door margins to the front fenders didnt match per side gap wise. Did somthing shift autocrossing I didnt notice this the first time i looked at the car. But I will say the black is one of the best Ive seen, great depth in color.
dave

I saw it on Sunday when I was checking for bad bodywork and poor fit and finish on the top 5 cars. (refer to earlier posts in this thread)

here is my take on it all .
the top 2 cars were , troys nova and rings camaro ! hands down .....
then all of the other cars ! 2,3,4,5 place is not a happy place for me .

i also read the rules and thought troy was permitted a little xtra time to fix his car , so what . he had one of the 2 best cars on the show grounds . so by letting troy try to fix his car it made it a fight for the top spot !

if i have any bitch about the outcome it was that the 72 red cuda was not in the top 5 . that car was as nice as a troy or ring car .

i also think you are a jackA$$ fessler ! you are the type of builder we dont need !

sorry if this offends anyone other than him

I don't have a dog in this fight but I found this interesting.

Just thought I'd put these two quotes together to show the irony in them.
It's the same attitude that allowed the judges to break the rules for someone with a certain name.

For what it's worth, if you allow people to break the "rules" why have rules at all?

fessler was running his mouth all weekend , and before the event started .
fessler did not have a dog in this fight ! or did I . he wants to go on here and say how perfect his car was and bash others cars . i dont play that game .

if the 2 best cars show up and have probems give them time to fix what they need so they fight it out to see who had the best car ! if troys car was not allowed to enter it would be like " shooting fish in a barrell "

This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, as this is going to head south real quick.
How is what you are saying any different than what you claim fesler has said?

You are basicaly saying everything else that was there was ****. Let me grab the quote so you can't say I am putting words in your mouth.
So again, the rules apply to only those that didn't havethe name troy. Does that about sum up your argument? If it is then that is ok, but please just come out and say it.

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sounds like sniper has gotten sniped out of a pros pick or two.
This happens at racetracks every Saturday night. Here's a nice "pit gate" sign for you. It ain't about the rules. It's about sportsmanship. Instead of whining, grab a wrench and help Troy get his car running right, then go out and beat him fair and square. THAT's sporstmanship.
if they kicked him out friday, and it was not troy/ring on top, whoever bumped into troys spot would of had a tainted 2nd place plaque, with everyone muttering "if troys cars tranny didn't act up" so they gave him some time to make it and in the end the best car won, which was a car with no issues.

sportsmanship
 

SPORTSMANSHIP

kenny isn't bashing anyone, and if he was he was bashing himself included.
kennys got class, which apparently you or fesler do not

Maybe you missed it, but let me repost this just for you.
Maybe if I wanted to goto shows to win, I'd cover my car in a 1/2" thick coat of filler to get a "show quality" car.:lol:

i never said you had something there this year, sounds like your goodguys experience in yrs past has you bitter, thats all

notorious
 

Im actually kind of amused at the amount of controversy that notorious has been getting for the fact that it was given extra time..blah blah blah. Kind of fits its whole personality and its name...hehe.

Bottom line is that the ring brothers, troys crew and all of us had some :cheers: on Friday night and Saturday night after they won. A trophy and an opinion from a group of judges wont change our friendship. My dad and my bros can care less because we know the kind of car we got. People will and have talked major sh*t about the nova being untroylike or whatever...but to those people i say this, does your car have 50+ venders that want it for the SEMA show???? It was an awesome time and I also think that Cuda should have been in the top 5. Since goodguys didnt put autocross footage on their site of this car, check out the short video i made :lateral:

Well said!! There is more to this hobby than winning a title or trophy IMO. Whether or not it was Ring Bros or Troy that won - the biggest thing is that they are both class acts. Their humbleness and lack of attitude just makes them better. I have talked with both many of times and they are as good as they come.

Brent

This is the last thing I'll say on the subject, as this is going to head south real quick.


Going to?

It's already there, in my opinion. It would be nice if we could all just be celebrating the fantastic cars, new ideas, and genuine friendships in the industry instead of bitching and whining about a judged award that doesn't decide how nice your car is. It is a nice accolade, for sure, but if your car is beautiful, and you are happy with it, it will still be just as beautiful with that open spot on your mantle.

[QUOTE=notorious1970;156881]Im actually kind of amused at the amount of controversy that notorious has been getting for the fact that it was given extra time..blah blah blah. Kind of fits its whole personality and its name...hehe.

Bottom line is that the ring brothers, troys crew and all of us had some :cheers: on Friday night and Saturday night after they won. A trophy and an opinion from a group of judges wont change our friendship. My dad and my bros can care less because we know the kind of car we got. People will and have talked major sh*t about the nova being untroylike or whatever...but to those people i say this, does your car have 50+ venders that want it for the SEMA show???? It was an awesome time and I also think that Cuda should have been in the top 5. Since goodguys didnt put autocross footage on their site of this car, check out the short video i made :lateral:


unlike troy ? typical troy badass car !!!

+1 :yes:

WOW this is entertaining :D

Let me start off by saying, I feel everyone on this site can build top quality rides. I havn't seen a car yet that was built by a builder on this site that was not show quality. Car shows aren't always about taking home first place, it's about "Showing off" your car, giving amateur builders like myself something to drool over, and having a good time with fellow builders. As long as you or your client is happy with the car thats all that matters in the end. :lateral:

I know Kenny and Travis they are some of the coolest guys I have met.Kenny speaks his mind gotta respect that. Personally there car should been in there but it wasn't. That Top 5 was tough wouldn't have wanted to been a judge, Was cool to see another buddy in the Top 5 Roger Burman that car is sweet.

You know if your ride didnt place must be a reason. figure out why. then fix it

okay really I don't care about the cars

Did anyone get pics of the Indian girl in the Black Dress - That's all I really care about.


Please Please Please tell me someone got a picture of her