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Great job at OUSCI the car looked good. Did you guys break something? It look like yo put it away early. By the way which mustang is that in the first picture?
Shane

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Originally Posted by byndbad914 (Post 520380)

Looks like you guys are having a good time with the car. She definitely leans in the corners :D I couldn't help but note that you mentioned wanting to stiffen the rear bar and reduce the front bar - I would have to say my gut feel from considering the attitude of the car in the corners and how much turn in is being applied to the fronts, I would stiffen the whole car up first on the main spring rates, not bar rates, then stiffen the rear bar only to work on the understeer. Don't mess with the front bar at all yet as the car is too soft overall. I can understand messing with shock adjustments, but IMO shocks are fine tuning dynamics and what I see is a car that needs some static updates. People were always surprised at how much wheel rate I had in my car but it just kept going faster and faster the stiffer I made it :) I had some pretty big ARBs as well.

I intend to start my Nova project out at pretty high wheel rates based on what I learned tracking my last car and iterating the suspension over a 7 year period.

FWIW...

The car has been to 4 events now and at each one it has had different spring rates, different bars, different tires and even different shocks on the last go round (thanks to Ridetech). The car is very heavy in the ass end. From memory it is 250 lbs heavier on the back axle than on the front. It has been a learning experience for sure but it has improved greatly since the So Cal Challenge on Labor Day.

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Originally Posted by sixnina (Post 520462)

Great job at OUSCI the car looked good. Did you guys break something? It look like yo put it away early. By the way which mustang is that in the first picture?
Shane

It kicked out the driveshaft on the first timed lap of the BIG course.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5d3679f8.jpg

Here is the Mustang build thread.

http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/7...67-Mustang-F-B

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 520382)

Amazing, Tim you can tune by looking at pictures? :hitaxeonthehead:

pics and especially video of a car in the corners are incredibly valuable to tuning a car. I have had friends take tons of pics of my car in the corners so I can pour over them and consider them with my notes about what the car was doing at the steering wheel. Can you see when you are dragging or carrying a tire when in the car driving it? I sure as hell can't. Pics will show you tho'. Just picking these four images in a row from an above post tell me a ton about what that car was doing that day without ever actually driving it. Do you not glean a ton of info from just these four??? Especially the last one here?

Can I fine tune the car? Heck no; that takes driving it or driver input. But when it is gross adjustments, that can be seen.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps3b9e9ac2.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4167a0f3.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfd6252c2.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfe2160d1.jpg

Back on the thread, glad to hear you are making progress on the tuning. Having the rear of the car heavier than the front is a good thing, well to a point of course. I would love to set my coupe up to at least 55% rear distribution, 57% to 58% considered the "golden" ratio for road racing but I highly doubt that will happen and keep the weight between the wheels. 911s are more like 62% and a fair amount of that behind the wheels (sort of like the wagon would be) and that is why they can oversteer for days so I wouldn't want that of course :lol: Getting the weight between the wheels with these old Novas is the tough part; they have so much rear overhang it makes for a chunk of weight always behind the rear tires. I set my 914 race car up at exactly 57.5% rear weight which split the difference and that car was easy to keep weight between the wheels.

That is a bummer about the driveshaft! Did it shear in half? Sucks that you guys would have went all the way to NV and have an issue like that put you back in the pits. It is one thing to break at a local track and lose a track day, another to be that far from home at a big event and have a failure.

Video's sure, but pictures are out of context. You have no idea of speed or driver input. Is he accelerating then slamming on the brakes. Is he accelerating then cranking the wheel. Your guess is as good as mine.

Power Auto Media interview with Skrape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66e3zUEWlLg

Some action from OUSCI including the driveshaft destruction via gopro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0JqPCKtb4E

-J

Popular Hot Rodding coverage from OUSCI

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps856b6061.jpg

Tim is getting as much seat time as he can. He took the car to California Speedway a few weeks back and ran the ROVAl course which in his car means 160mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9W-...ature=youtu.be

-J

Mike Musto from Big Muscle reviews Skrape's Nova Wagon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9lV...3gYPZ593XwQUsA

Some more video action, this time from a local Karting track called Apex. Rutledge Wood was in town for the Nascar race so he came down and took some laps with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPxe...ature=youtu.be

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1059857c.jpg

-J

I was browsing Skrape's SD cards and found this gem from an Adams event last month. It's a cool night time view from the front of Bill Speed's S10 as he chases The Nova.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yaZ...rdmGfxpvg0DH0g

The Super Chevy Handling Challenge is all wrapped up. Unfortunately, Mary couldn't drive the car with the seat so far back to fit Skrape. We had to improvise on the driver for the road course. Read all about it in the January 2015 issue of Super Chevy.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps30415ca7.jpg

Both Skrape's cars in the evening light of the first day of testing.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psffe19ae1.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5e0c39cb.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psed500b63.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc3bd27aa.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psae99288d.jpg

-J

Here is the Autocross & Speed/Stop video

Great pictures! The car look really good going around the course. Thanks for sharing them.

Been a while since an update but Skrape had a Track Day with us last Saturday at Streets of Willow.

https://youtu.be/W8lpODuwrOI

-J