...and to the "Seachickens played better" group:

Then why is it you only managed to score 10 points?


The Seachickens are a good team. But they got beat. They beat themselves to a degree, but for the most part, despite the fact that they gained more yards they failed to gain more points.

Nope, I'll never be convinced. I have the game recorded on my computer and played the video several times back and forth. I don't see any conclusive evidence of the ball breaking the plane. I wish I could figure out how to take a screenshot of windows media player... Not that it matters :D

Watch the video I just added to my last post to see how he's carrying the ball, and then compare it to the pic so you know where the ball is.

Jody

Tom, to do a screen capture from windows media player, you need to first turn off hardware acceleration. Here's how, assuming you have a Windows OS.

Right click on your desktop, go to Properties

Select the 'Settings' tab

Click on 'Adanced'

Select the 'Troubleshoot' tab

Move the Hardware acceleration slider from 'full' to 'none'

You can now do a screen capture with a video playing.



You guys are debating water under the bridge, it's time to talk about whether or not Jr. can win the 500. :D

Steelers had great plays but the simple fact is the Seahawks outgained, outpassed, and allowed fewer yards throughtout the entire game. So statistically they were superior to the Steelers.
In fact, they were the only team in Super Bowl history to outgain, outpass, and dominate a team and lose. Why? Because the refs chose to call chicken s**t penalties through the entire game.
And as for shooting off Jeremy Stevens' fat mouth, every sports writer in the country said Joey Porter was a non-factor in this game despite talking from his southern output all week. I don't like the pro sports smack talking so i don't stand behing Jeremy Stevens and his mouth but Porter ran his mouth 10 times more and didn't do a thing all day.
If you read or watched any sports news outside of Pittsburgh today, You would already know this stuff......

Now isn't this a car forum???

Steelers outgained, outpassed, outran, time of poss by a bunch, more first downs, etc. in Super Bowl 30 and lost.

Jody

Thanks Scott - when I try this my machine is pretty much non-responsive.... the 9GB (!) video file is just failing to even play.

Is it possible that part of the ball being covered by Ben's hand crossed the goal line? Sure. But I don't see any visual evidence of it, and don't know how the refs could.

Wasn't it interesting how the one ref put his hand up to mark the ball down at first, and then signaled touchdown a few seconds later? Like I heard on a radio program today, someone must have whispered to him "Psst!! The Steelers are SUPPOSED to win!!!" :lol:

That's the initial theory! :D Now, it appears most the Seahawk fans on their message boards are blaming the drops and Holmgren for poor clock management, and not going for it on 4th with 6 minutes left and two scores down.

Jody

I'm just surprised at how much work Jody has put in to try and prove to us crybabies that the Steelers are that good. I gotta give you props. Too bad they won't be back next year though. Sorry.






lol... You know I'm just giving you a hard time, right? I'm never gonna be allowed near you again, am I? I think I'm gonna go shopping for body armor now.

Actually I think the Steelers are a very good team. I also thing that Seattle is good and deserved to be there. I just think there was a lot more happening in the game that caused the loss than just the refs.

This was posted on the first gen board and in my opinion is pretty accurate:

"Seattle had 4 or 5 dropped passes, total clock mismanagement at the end of both halfs, two missed field goals, they were 5 out of 17 on third down conversions, dominated the first half but only put up three points(they could have easily put the game away in the first half) a pick in the red zone, punts going into the endzone for touchbacks instead of pinning pittsburgh deep, punted the ball with about six minutes left and down by two scores, then at the end of the game let the clock run like they had the lead and then everyone wants to blame the refs? Parker burned them on a 75 yard run and they got burned on a trick play for a TD. Thats what lost the game for them. They had the whole game to get it done. They were such a powerhouse that was going to roll the Steelers remember? A few calls shouldnt have made a difference. When the Steelers needed a play they made it Seattle had plenty of chances but couldn't close the deal. "

Allen, you're probably right!:D

I thought the Steelers were great in the post season leading up to the big game. I was surprised that it wasn't a blowout. Seattle's clock management woes were an embarassment - I think Holmgren needed something to argue about and shift the blame elsewhere.

I was disappointed in the commercials... thought they could have been better! Ahh well, there's always next year...

This is true, actually. I can't believe how the Steelers turned it on at the end of the season. BUT, with a few bogus calls for holding, and the fact that they couldn't do squat on a 3rd and 3, the Seahawks should have won it. But at least they showed that the NFC isn't the same as they have been the last three seasons.

Umm... This has me afraid. On what part?

You've chosen to ignore the salient statistical metric. Points scored. In that area of measurement the Steelers clearly were the superior team by 101%. The Seachickens did miss two key field goals (6pts right there) that could have given them a chance for an on-side kick.....etc...

"There are three kinds of lies. Regular lies. Damned lies. And statistics." ~ Samuel Clemens.

You can also look to two abysmal punts on the part of the Seachickens. In both cases a directional punt & coverage was kicked in the opposite direction from the coverage. The Seachickens were lucky to have not had one of those run back on them. Both did allow for rather nice field position for the Steelers.

Wrong. The Ram's out passed and out ran the Pat's in XXXVI and lost, Green Bay out ran and out passed Denver in XXXII and lost, Steelers out passed and outran Dallas in XXX and lost. There are more but searching those box-scores is tedious.

The key thing is that the Steelers outrushed the Seachickens by 50yds and didn't blow it when presented an opportunity to score.

As for the penalties. The only one that was flat out wrong was the Hasselbrokeback "clip" or whatever. Jackson did push off, the other cat was holding. Were they egregious examples of such...probably not, but they were infractions none the less. Bottom line, the Seachickens got caught 7 times for 70yds and the Steelers 3 for 20.


I dunno about that. The Seachickens ran away from Porter and Polomalu (sp?) all day. Every time they ran he drew a double team. I'd say he was doing his job rather well because his presance made the Seachickens alter their play calling.

Given that I live in San Jose, California I would think it rather difficult to get my sports media from anything but sources outside of Pittsburgh. But since we are on the subject.....It seems at least one of the Seachickens players and their coaching staff see things differently than you do:


Shall we continue, or have you grown tired of the taste of your sour grapes?

I thought it was a pretty good game. I was rooting for Pittsburgh (naturally) because Jerome's from the D, but also because I felt a sort of connection to him. We played Detroit Mackenzie my senior year. Jerome played both running back and linebacker for them. I was a defensive tackle, I got a few licks on him during the game (the guy was solid as a rock...like trying to tackle a huge frozen Butterball turkey) but he got one "beauty" on me in the 4th quarter; guy practically tore my shoulder off. After the game when both teams were shaking hands I got the chance to joke around with him a bit before heading into the locker room. Super nice guy...and still is from what I hear. I never forgot his name; Jerome Bettis. I followed him during his years at Notre Dame and then with LA and Pittsburgh. He was my only real connection to Pro Football...I lived vacariously through him :lol: . My friends and family have understandably grown tired of my Jerome Bettis story all these years (especially the wife). And now that he's finally retiring, I can't help but feel.....

Old (gulp). :lol:

Also, major props goes out to Motown for a fantastic job. My buddies and I got down there on Friday and the atmosphere was absolutely electric. I think we showed a lot of people that the Detroit you see in the movies is not the real Detroit at all. :thumbsup:

That's a cool story Tony... you actually got to play against Bettis!

I didn't see the show but I thought this was .... funny, considering our discussion on this subject..

Roethlisberger admits: 'I don't think I got in'

I hear that the Stones Tour is sponsored by Depends, One a Day, Preperation-H and The Ford Crown Victoria.

Brilliant :hail:

Where did you learn to cut and paste? I KNOW you didn't think that one up yourself..... :P