Agreed.

The the heart, soul, and ultimate example of competitions like this from my perspective is the owner/builder/driver cars.

If I was someone with "unlimited" revenue and limited ability and had a desire to be the center of attention or accepted in the crowd outspending the true enthusiast would be easy prey. Buy a GTR send it to a top tuner, give them an unlimited buget and hire a hitman for a driver.

Well thought out Classes of Competition is probably the best solution to the issues as the event gains popularity.

In no way do I see the event dissolve due to dissension. The techie Vette's, Benz's, and GTR are very impressive but I have much more respect and appreciation for hands-on cars like Mark's, Brian's, Mary's, and numerous others.

I'm sure those tools would never comprehend that there is more money in these "old cars" that run with and beat vettes than was in the car Popp drove. This statement may not be true in every case, but I would say more often than not! And yes, the only driver permitted should be the registered owner!

Don't feel bad D they had it coming. :thumbsup: :lateral:

You're a rabid anti-shortite! Next thing you'll do is hand out flyers urging people to put them in their own schools!

LOL---The sea was angry that day my friends---like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.

Wish I could find that vid clip---

D

Google is your friend. Actually, as we now know... not at all.



No ones asking for Popp to autograph that Titleist!


:lol:

Hum I'm guessing a cab after all those super light shoes help them get traction while running after it LOL,,,,, oh wait Dr. D,,, was that the tall one bending over to pick up a lost bus token LOL....
^5 buddy the sawed off little pricks needed a little reality check anyways (no pun intended LOL).....

Hey Doug, like what your daughter would have said...lol. One of my 4 yr old son's favorite lines is "seriously??" and would have been appropriate. In all seriousness, some people will never figure it out and it takes all kinds.

Oh NO !! The Corvette guy has stopped lurking and joined this board.....:)

I think there are some misconceptions here and people harping on one single comment, that I should not have made. Awful easy to take things out of context , try looking at page one of the thread on corvetteforum also.

Yes, I got "rich by winning the lottery" , and fielded a C6 Corvette at this years OUSCI, and I guess that I am guilty because we won with a "new" car. Nevermind any of the other new cars there this year, or that have competed in years past. Last I remember, this is not a Pro-Touring event, but a search for the Ultimate Street Car. I have watched this event as said for several years before I earned my invite. This was a privateer entry too, not some "in house" car or manufacturer car. With way less resources than some of the other top 10 cars.

Some of you have judged without knowing anything other than hearsay, and because I fielded a new car this year, I supposedly have no love for the older cars . Those that have cast stones do not know me very well. I am in FACT a lover of all cars, especially Chevrolet's, NEW and OLD. I cut my teeth in OLD GM products , C2's,C3's and 2nd gen Camaros. I still have the 1972 LT-1 Corvette and it will be making venues later this year. Brian Hobaugh remembers the car and knows that it is not slow. This Pro-Touring movement gives me an excuse to play with that car too and it will be a great time.

While I did make an off-handed comment , about the "autograph" on the side of Mark's car, I did not disrespect the fact that his car is an AMAZING piece, it is very well sorted, FAST , beautiful, well engineered and driven. I just thought the "autograph" was slightly grandious. I should not have said what I did, and for that I am sorry. Mark is a very worthy competitor, a great champion and is very worthy of all of his followers. I admire his creations myself and I am sure that I will continue to do so. With that said, Brian, Mary, Mike, also have built awesome cars as well as the other 90% of the cars that were at the OUSCI.

It seems as if some here are operating with chips on their shoulder because they run "old" cars and sometimes they let "new" cars run with them and then the old cars are at a distinct disadvantage. Well, I can tell you that mentality is not completely true. If any of you care to read page one of the above mentioned corvetteforum thread, I ran a bunch of the top pro-touring cars in July for the Chevy Hi-Performance Magazine shootout, and I was faster in three of the Pro-Touring cars than I was in Todd's Corvette. Testiments to the potential of some of these builds. I will agree that on a roadcourse the newer cars will enjoy an aero advantage, but that is it. No one with any of these builds is limited with suspension geometry, power, or technological advances such as ABS or TC. As the years progress the more mainstream this is going to become.

Anyhow, I did not come on here to create a war. Just to clear up some misconceptions and apologize publicly for the off-handed comment that I made on the corvetteforum about the "autograph". Again, sorry Mark and all on this board.

well, their cars haul ass................. :lol: I think Danny was just being funny, don't think he really was taking a shot at Mark. My reply over there was just to answer a guys question regarding hiring a pro to drive your car for you.

Danny's a pro level driver, as is Mark, Kyle, and a few others. I'm not sure that a 69 Camaro can ever run heads up on the road course with the new Vettes like what Danny drove. Aero, center of gravity, etc. are all against the older cars. You can make a 69 Camaro as light or lighter, but you'd still be in an uphill battle to beat a driver like Danny with a car like he had.

He deserved the win, and I think Mark was fine with it. I expect the rules will continue to be tweaked, and at some point it will be owner as the driver only. But for now those are the rules and he won fair and square.

I was typing my reply above when you posted. :) Thanks for swinging by Danny. :thumbsup:

Thanks for posting Danny. Pick almost any forum board and its members can get defensive and elitist at times. There has been many a debate about this event and others like it in the past. Should new cars be allowed, etc.

Bottom line is that the organizers run their event the way they see fit and the rest will armchair quarterback it to death. Those that won their way in deserve an enormous amount of respect as it is a huge accomplishment.

Thanks for clearing things up...I have said many stupid things in my Days, and probably will again...

Congrats on the Win..:cheers:

Personally -- I think there's too much emphasis on "winning"... OUSCI is a fantastic FUN event for anyone that gets lucky enough to get to run it - gets to watch it - or gets to work it. Let's just get back to having fun and enjoying watching ALL the cars and ALL the drivers.

I've yet to watch a single run that I didn't enjoy... Every one of them is kool on their own merit. Old car big horsepower - new car no horsepower... amateur drivers - pros and near pros... all are spectacular.

I was looking at the NAME of the event again.... and couldn't find where it said "ultimate NEW car invitational"... or "ultimate OLD car invitational"... or even "ultimate car with or without windows invitational"... I think it just says Ultimate Street Car Invitational.... To me - it's the INVITATIONAL that kinda sums it up.

I'd sure like to get an invite... I'd be happy as hell to embarrass myself!

:D

Thanks for standing up and being credible. :thumbsup:

And congratulations on your victory it was damn good driving no matter what the vehicle. It was also an impressive thrash to change out the master cylinder. :cheers:

:thumbsup: VERY WELL SAID.:thumbsup: I had a frickin awesome time when I was there.Can't wait to have a chance to go back.:thumbsup:

I'm not sure that will happen, sponsors and all. But maybe.

Ultimate Street Car Invitational - I agree, I don't see old there. There may be some entries that were more race car than street car, but I digress.

I just know I enjoyed the hell out of being there & watching! Watching Danny, Mark, Mary and others do their things was great.


Certain vette and Porsche guys can be quite, um, unique. New Camaro enthusiast owners I have run into seem to have a simialr, um, uniqueness. lol

Danny, you are welcome here anytime! There are lots of us that would enjoy having you around our events so that we could learn and watch---plus, we would love to squeeze as much info out of you as possible about going faster in our cars. We don't get a ton of Pro Drivers coming through here--so please stick around and chime in!

D

Danny hit the nail on the head and I was attempting to highlight this whole new, old, super competitive spirit between the cars in some ways.... The Vette is a cool car that is a Hell of a bang for the buck,,,, but hey I can't say I'd own one based on my own car preferences.... The guys at the show were showing a higher then thou closed mind that maybe we're all guilty of here and there (they just took it a bit further and our own good Dr. D set them straight)...

Danny, congrats again on the victory you're an incredible driver and show a ton of class setting things straight....

Greg you summed things up Dam near perfectly in what you stated,,, """just to be there is the best part of the experience""", the rest sorts it's self out and is forgotten long before you ever will forget that day.....

Danny, thanks for stopping by. I think you'll find this is one of the best forums around and people here have more respect for each other and differing opinions than anywhere else. Hopefully you'll stick around.

I knew this thread would have a happy ending when I started it. :D

Danny,

Thanks for stopping in. I hope you do decide to stick around. Your perspective is welcomed in my mind. Old vs. new is an argument that will never go away. Just like Ford vs Chevy. Also, just as you mentioned the "old" car drivers get upset when the "new" car drivers look down their noses. This will never go away, but with education comes more understanding. So please, stick around. We would all love to hear more about the car you had at Optima as well as your second gen. Oh, and we all love pictures! Welcome! :cheers: :lateral:

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Maybe this will help to show that I am and old car kinda guy too......:)

This was from the RTTH event in 2010.

This car is being "modernized" this year to play in GoodGuys and Pro-Touring event soon.

Cool it'll be great to see what you do (updates) with the car Danny,,,,, I think I remember it being stupid fast already at RTTH with you behind the wheel.....

Yeah, It was......but I had cheater tires on it at the time. I lose the cheater tires and make all of the updates and it'll probably be a wash time wise..

I do NOT plan on it being slow....there may or may not be another vintage Corvette in the works also...;)

Danny,

That is great that you are bringing your 72 Corvette out for these events. I just ran the 65 Corvette this past weekend with the 200 TW tires and it was a blast. In the next year or so I plan on giving the Corvette some updates and run it more. Maybe we can get a rematch of 15 years ago? :D

Brian

The coming year in pro-touring is going to be seeeeeeeensational!

i watched him race at Optima. My gut is he would be fast driving a lawn tractor.

So Danny, do you do the "Get in someone else's car" and take it around the Auto X and comment about what could be improved?

Going to need some of that coming up----

D

You might want to ask Mary, she probably won't tell you to sell it and buy a Corvette. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Couldn't resist. :D

He could sit on a frigging sail boat dragging an anchor and make laps faster than 80% of us bud LOL.....

BSP car?

Yes, I do that frequently.......and no I will not tell you to sell it and buy a Corvette. Although the more Corvette like you make it the faster that it would go :)

I like to do this too....as well as teaching people how to drive faster. I "get-off" on seeing people improve and go faster whether it be from car set-up perspective or learning to drive better. I do go out of my way to help people, but it looks as if you are on the wrong side of the globe....

Yes, it was my BSP car that has won numerous SCCA Solo and ProSolo National Championships.

I think that car is going to LIKE fixing all of the things that I was never allowed to do and losing several hundered pounds, besides gaining a couple of hundred horsepower :)

I learned all of my car control skills chasing this blue rocket all over autocross courses....I referred it to riding a rodeo bull, it was gonna throw you off, just a matter of when...

Are you going to preserve the sidepipes? They look "so right" on the Cobra's and late 60's Vette's. :thumbsup:

I may have made the Lottery/Vette comment but I respect your driving skills and look forward to seeing what you can do with some old metal. A late 60's vette was swimming around in my head for a while. :thumbsup:

Are you still running the LT-1 engine ???

Depsite my son wanting me to take them off ( because he burned himself on them ), Those side pipes have always been on there and always will be .:thumbsup:

Corvettes of that era are "right" with sidepipes, and it makes the underneath of the car alot easier to work on...... Just watch your step when you get out..

Yes currently the car has a B&B 1970 LT-1 spec motor in it although it is a 1972 car. The original engine is tucked away for safe keeping. However I do plan on putting a buzz-bomb LS motor in it before too long .

Glad to hear it! :clap:

In 1989 I firmly planted my achilies on a hot sidepipe getting out of a friends '66 427 Cobra..........an unforgettable moment. :D

Nice....I am running the factory LT-1 slightly modified...

Maybe someday I will pull it and keep it safe, and put in a new motor to go with all the other upgrades..

But for now, it is the screaming small block for me.I do love them and the sounds they make..