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usa-69z 04-05-2012 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by garickman (Post 405850)
I just checked out his facebook page, I didn't see where he posted 17 hours ago. It's too bad things are not working out for him. He really does have some nice wheels, and it looks like he has some pretty killer wheels in the works. His facebook page actually looks pretty good.
Greg , if you look under his last post it tells when posted in ghost grey small print.

Swain 04-05-2012 10:37 PM
We have been having issues with dealers using their customers money on other things then their customers call us saying they ordered wheels 8 months ago, then they put the blame on us so we feel like the bad guy and end up pushing their wheels through. I guess it's a good thing we manufacture our own wheels so were not in the same boat. :P :patriot:

Simmo 04-06-2012 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by usa-69z (Post 405792)
alright , im going to give you some of my story here..I have just found this thread after looking to see if driverz has been posting.. I am one of the customers who was caught up in the fikse/driverz dramas a few months back,, i waited over 10 months for my rims after numerous promises that they were ready to ship.. I dropped good money up front (10 months earlier) and waited and waited.. i had No contact until i made my frustration public by way of this forum.Then i got offered a deal to change to forgelines as mine hadnt been built yet after 10 months !. i was promised a fast turnaround of 4/5 weeks.. 2 months later i got my 'forgeline'wheels. i sold them a soon as they arrived as it left a 'bad taste' in my mouth.. so now without rims for my camaro i ordered a new set of american racers cl205s with who i thought was Jon ,, but i had a reply from a guy name 'travis'??? so ok i do some searching and see that he is the new owner.. so i order my rims ,, pay 'up front' and off we go again. 2 months go by and i send an email,, and i get a reply from Jon??? he says 'big dramas here' your wheels are ready .. so i wait a week and send another email (im in australia) so are the wheels there ? yes there here ready to ship but' we will be doing the goodguys show on weekend so dont be upset if i dont reply for a while?????
so now im not sure what to make of all this. Ive sent 2 emails this week with no response? Is goodguys been and gone? was he there setup? any suggestions guys , its hard as im downunder and i need some rims or my money back !!!.. Jon if you read this please reply and settle these issues as what im reading on forums is not creating any confidence in your customers.

Gav
Hey man I feel your pain, but curious as to why you ordered the second set off essentially the same crowd that dicked you around the first time?

Have you paid by paypal/cc? I'd pull the pin and raise a dispute ASAP.

Hope it all works out for ya

usa-69z 04-06-2012 02:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmo (Post 405875)
Hey man I feel your pain, but curious as to why you ordered the second set off essentially the same crowd that dicked you around the first time?

Have you paid by paypal/cc? I'd pull the pin and raise a dispute ASAP.

Hope it all works out for ya
yes probably wasnt the best desicion but i gave Jon the benifit of the doubt at the time and as they wernt a custom order wheel i thought it would be qwik.. the turnaround would be on time if he shipped them this week but after reading this stuff im gettin nervous and with no more contact its smellin' fishy. I paid by credit card in Jan this year so not sure what i can do,, Ill wait this week out and see what happens, then ill take it further.

Simmo 04-06-2012 03:36 AM
Just be aware beyond 90 days any cc charge may be more difficult to chase up, you might be getting close to that 90 days now.

Shouldn't be too much issue re-stocking an off the shelf set of wheels too.

Google "american racing custom wheels" and I got this + a few more leads...

http://asp.americanracing.com/bottom...p?section=cont

http://wikimapia.org/11356609/Americ...-Equipment-Inc

American Racing Custom Wheels
19067 South Reyes Avenue
Rancho Dominguez, CA 90221

Phone: 310-761-4915. Fax: 310-608-0297.

If you want attention I'd chuck a 001 in front of the number above and see where that leads, pretty big company so I think you might have more luck emailing Jon than them. Fingers crossed for ya!

Lenie 04-06-2012 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 96z28ss (Post 405811)
Bottom line is no one should buy New Gen wheels or any wheel from Driverz Inc.
Jon may be a cool guy to hang out with at a bar but
Tired of cool guy good guy phrases, it's just bs. If you steal, your a thief and your fingers should be cut off, next offense, your hands. My world, it's black and white, there's no such thing as a nice guy thief. You break into my house at night to steal, I'm not going to offer you a beer and chat to find out if your a good guy.

GregWeld 04-06-2012 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 405931)
Tired of cool guy good guy phrases, it's just bs. If you steal, your a thief and your fingers should be cut off, next offense, your hands. My world, it's black and white, there's no such thing as a nice guy thief. You break into my house at night to steal, I'm not going to offer you a beer and chat to find out if your a good guy.
Very good point Lenie!

Tony_SS 04-06-2012 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 405931)
Tired of cool guy good guy phrases, it's just bs. If you steal, your a thief and your fingers should be cut off, next offense, your hands. My world, it's black and white, there's no such thing as a nice guy thief. You break into my house at night to steal, I'm not going to offer you a beer and chat to find out if your a good guy.
:yes:

96z28ss 04-06-2012 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 405931)
Tired of cool guy good guy phrases, it's just bs. If you steal, your a thief and your fingers should be cut off, next offense, your hands. My world, it's black and white, there's no such thing as a nice guy thief. You break into my house at night to steal, I'm not going to offer you a beer and chat to find out if your a good guy.

Thats why I said MAY, cause the local guys around him are always sticking up for him. I see it the same way you do Lenie, thats why I said I wouldn't buy a $.50 item from him.

Lenie 04-06-2012 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 96z28ss (Post 405948)
Thats why I said MAY, cause the local guys around him are always sticking up for him. I see it the same way you do Lenie, thats why I said I wouldn't buy a $.50 item from him.
Sorry, the comment wasn't directed at your comment specifically. Just to many people sticking up for vendors that keep coming up short. I don't know about everyone else but my success w/many of the vendors I've pretty much done business w/here has been less than impressive. I'm just thankful I've got a good percentage of my money back.

214Chevy 04-06-2012 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 405931)
Tired of cool guy good guy phrases, it's just bs. If you steal, your a thief and your fingers should be cut off, next offense, your hands. My world, it's black and white, there's no such thing as a nice guy thief. You break into my house at night to steal, I'm not going to offer you a beer and chat to find out if your a good guy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 405968)
... Just to many people sticking up for vendors that keep coming up short.
Exactly!! Two of the most realest statements. Exactly why Monday morning I'm going to my bank and fill out the form for my $80 back for the lugnuts. I've called for 3 weeks with no answer. Therefore, I don't care if it's $.08 or $80, I'm not gonna sit around and wait for a mickey fickey to feel like he thinks it's the right time to make it right. Or wait until he wants to make it right. If you know you got people money or have done them a wrong business deal, you make it right ASAP. I know this Travis guy and Jon may be at odds, but that's not my problem.

Vegas69 04-06-2012 12:50 PM
I'm with you guys, this dog and pony show needs to end, for good.

RECOVERY ROOM 04-06-2012 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 405931)
Tired of cool guy good guy phrases, it's just bs. If you steal, your a thief and your fingers should be cut off, next offense, your hands. My world, it's black and white, there's no such thing as a nice guy thief. You break into my house at night to steal, I'm not going to offer you a beer and chat to find out if your a good guy.
Break into houses around here and we shoot you, Then call are buddys to discuss the holes we made or spread pattern :lol:

dropped72ss 04-06-2012 01:43 PM
Well I know who i'm not giving my business to when i order my wheels!!! I totally agree with boycotting NewGen wheels too.

Vicinity 04-06-2012 02:14 PM
Glad I caught this thread. I was about 1 day away from ordering up a set of VWW from Driverz. I'll steer clear of this mess and just deal with my bent wheel for now.

novanutcase 04-06-2012 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by usa-69z (Post 405876)
yes probably wasnt the best desicion but i gave Jon the benifit of the doubt at the time and as they wernt a custom order wheel i thought it would be qwik.. the turnaround would be on time if he shipped them this week but after reading this stuff im gettin nervous and with no more contact its smellin' fishy. I paid by credit card in Jan this year so not sure what i can do,, Ill wait this week out and see what happens, then ill take it further.
And look what happens when you give someone the benefit of the doubt! They dick you with no regard to ethics. I know how you feel as I've recently had the same experience but in a slightly different way. I say forget about trying to work it out with NewGen/Driverz. They obviously have no regard for you or your order so why should you give them any? Call the CC company immediately and have the charges reversed.

Maybe this would be the best thing as it may put the final nail in the proverbial coffin and close down what seems to be an unscrupulous company. Also seems that Mr. Hensons company is working without any usable day to day capital. Not a good way of running a business.

John

Ketzer 04-06-2012 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by novanutcase (Post 405997)
working without any usable day to day capital. Not a good way of running a business.

John
I personally think this is a whole lot more common than folks want to admit. That's the reason this keeps happening on here again and again.

Jeff-

The WidowMaker 04-06-2012 04:14 PM
i agree that friends are friends and bus is bus, but in my experience the good guys are both friends and the guys i buy parts from. ive never had any bad experience and then said, "but id have a beer with him". if somebody is f-ing me over, id rather pound their face and shove the bottle up their arse instead.

im not a jon cheerleader like some others on here, but ive met him and cant see him doing this. maybe my character judging skills are way the heck off, but this doesnt make sense to me. get your money back that you have invested and all the other nay sayers need to just hold off and see what happens. i know hes focused on newgen, and newgen WILL NOT survive with this mess. give him some time to figure this mess out and he will come through. i hope im not proved wrong.

btw, mike @ muscle rodz, mark @ sc&c and tobin @ kore3 are some GREAT vendors for parts. but you guys already knew that:yes:

raguemoe 04-06-2012 04:15 PM
Driverz Inc.
 
I had my 69 towed from Driverz last week (long story). Last I heard everything blew up on the deal and Jon sold everything @the shop and was filing BK. So anyone that is owed money/product from them I would put in a claim asap & cross your fingers.

I'm out another $650 for a new set of axles just to get my car back on the road after dealing with them for the last year on a bad suspension install they did. But at this point I'm just happy the car wasn't damaged or lost while at his shop!

Btw, Travis looked like a kid just out of high school so I wouldn't count on him solving anyones problem. I'd be talking to Jon!

The WidowMaker 04-06-2012 04:18 PM
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I personally think this is a whole lot more common than folks want to admit. That's the reason this keeps happening on here again and again.
outright scary

Quote:
Jon sold everything @the shop and was filing BK
not good......

DTM Racing 04-06-2012 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 406011)
I personally think this is a whole lot more common than folks want to admit. That's the reason this keeps happening on here again and again.

Jeff-
The internet has allowed this. I prefer to do business with brick and mortar stores. Face to face and handshakes with actual inventory are much more comforting than just giving some guy on the internet your money. The companies with the drop-ship policies cause these guys to deal at cut-throat prices. TO deal at those prices, you have to jack up your volume. If you do not have the capacity to deal with that volume, you'll find things getting out of control. Fast.

DTM Racing 04-06-2012 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The WidowMaker (Post 406016)
outright scary



not good......
And why is it so terrifying to imagine that a company doesn't want to operate in the red?

rfrankb4 04-06-2012 04:29 PM
This whole situation stinks. I am with several other people on here in that I managed to dodge a bullet by deciding at the last moment to deal with someone else on my wheels.

From reading the timeline on here and at yellowbullet it sure smells like this "Sale" was a poorly set up scam to buy time while arranging for a favorable bankruptcy after the money that was paid in quietly disappears into daily operating expenses and small cash withdrawals for "petty cash expenses"

I sure hope the aggrieved parties follow through and pursue criminal actions as needed. It never ceases to amaze me just how many broke people "find" 10k or more when it is that or go to jail. There is little doubt in my mind from these accounts that there were orders taken when the management had no intention of paying manufacturers for the product as agreed.

While It is still possible that Jon is a stand up guy and this has all been a misunderstanding but the odds on that are looking mighty slim atm. (not sure I would gamble on that at 50:1)

usa-69z 04-06-2012 09:40 PM
ok , here we go all ... ive had contact and its not good.. just for the cheerleaders heres a transcript taken straight from my private email ...

he lied his arse off ...


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gavin,
Yes ready to ship.
Travis bailed, (LONG STORY) but I'm left picking up the pieces to close these things out.

Same shipping information as before, correct? IF so, I'll put it all together and send you the info. We're leaving for the Good Guys show in San Diego, so I may be delayed a day or two, FYI, so you don't think you're being ignored if I don't respond right away.

Jon
NewGenWheels.com
714-915-5533



Quote:




Originally Posted by usa-69z

ok cool , well they must be ready to ship if you picked them up last friday? its now wed ..let me know whats happening .

Gavin




Quote:




Originally Posted by DriverzInc

Not our fault, FIKSE sucks, lets not blame it all on Driverz.

Your order is READY! I'll be picking them up from A/R on Friday.

Jon

Yes, Jon, I'm back in it.


DriverzInc.com
866-694-5940




Quote:




Originally Posted by usa-69z

Travis , please checkout this order as i waited over 10 months for my last set thru driverz thru bad management.





Quote:




Originally Posted by DriverzInc



Quote:




Originally Posted by usa-69z

Hi Travis, i ws wondering if you can check the status of an order i placed and paid for over a month ago for a set of cl205 us racing wheels for my camaro. I initially dealt with Jon .. name is Gavin *****- these will be shipped to australia when they turn up..

cheers, Gav

Gavin,

Sorry I didn't get a chance to check today on your wheels. I will do it first thing in the morning.

- Travis




__________________

Sales

D R I V E R Z Inc.com

Wheels / Tires / Brakes / Suspension / Parts /
Check out our new website, we're much more than just wheels!

Toll Free: 1-866-694-5940 _Corona, CA

usa-69z 04-06-2012 09:42 PM
and this today ... from his facebook account...:mad:


Jonathan Henson:unibrow:




Call your credit card company now and charge it back as soon as possible. Driverzinc is not going to fill any more orders, and there's nothing I can do about it, your money went into the DriverzInc account, and there's nothing I can do about it now.

.

214Chevy 04-07-2012 06:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by garickman (Post 406117)
Not cool at all! In fact that is just BS. If it is too late to file a claim with your credit card company and you can not get your money back, you may have to go to court. Do your homework and contact as many people as you can who have had similar dealings with Driver'z Inc. You actually may be able to use these forums such as this one and pro-touring.com to show that there has been intent to defraud. Before everyone jumps all over me, I AM NOT saying that is what happened, I am just saying it is possible and there are some things that need to be looked at. For example;

Jon has been a member on lateral-g and pro-touring for 5 1/2 years under the user name of Driverz Inc.

Now on 2/20/12 on pro-touring.com, there is a post under Jons username that states Driverz Inc is under new ownership. It ends with poster stating his name is Travis Dulgerian. In that post, Travis states that Jon is now focusing soley on NewGen Wheel. http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...ht=driverz+inc

On 3/15/12 on pro-touring.com, there is a post which states Driverz Inc is having a sale on overstock items. http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...ht=driverz+inc. On 3/20/12 in this same thread, Jon Henson replies to someone using his new user name of NewGenWheels. He tells this person he emailed them a quote for shipping and to call Driverz Inc to order. Now according to Travis (alleged new owner) his last day at Driverz Inc. was 3/16/12. My question would be why was it Jon who quoted the shipping cost, and why did Jon tell this person to call Driverz Inc. to order if he knew Travis left 4 days earlier? Why was anyone taking customers money when they clearly knew the business was in major trouble?
Here is a link in which Travis states he no longer with Drivers Inc. His user name is street3285 http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...ht=driverz+inc.

Now for lateral-g. On 2/20/12, there is a post under Jon's username of DriverzInc stating Driverz is under new ownership. It is the same post that was used on pro-touring.com, and again the poster states his name is Travis Dulgerian.

On 3/20/12 there is a post on lateral-g.net under Jon's username of DriversInc stating they have a magnaflow exhaust special. Keep in mind this is exactly one month after the announcement of the new ownership. Exactly one month after Jon was to soley focus on NewGen Wheels. Exactly 14 days after the new alleged owner Travis stated he was officially in the office and exactly 4 days after Travis stated he was not the owner of Driverz Inc. and was no longer with Driverz Inc as of 3/16/12. So who posted the tread advertising the sale? Why was this sale even offered if Travis was no longer there and the business was in complete disarray? Was it an honest mistake or was there intent to defraud customers promising a sale on product they could not deliver?

I want to be very clear that I am in no way stating that either Travis or Jon ever had any intent to defraud customers. I am simply pointing out some discrepancies that I noticed on some public forums along with some questions I have raised and if answered might put some peoples mind at ease.

1. Why were Travis and Jon using the same user name of DriverzInc so it is impossible to tell who was posting?

2. Why would Travis come on public forums announcing he is in fact the new owner of Driverz Inc knowing full well he was not legally the owner?

3. Did the transfer/sale of the business really fall through or was there ever a deal in the first place?

4. Did Jon know the business had more potential to fail than succeed? If so, why keep offering sales, taking customers money?
Greg, I thought you said you were not an expert or the sharpest tool in the box. To me, it seems as if you have figured it all out and it makes plenty of good sense to me. I'm only out of $80. If you are out of more, I hope you get dealt right or your money gets returned. You know speaking of all of the "logging in under different names" back then I did notice that, but didn't give it much thought because I assumed everything was on the up and up with the sale back then. I just thought it was two guys who were friends doing a business deal.

garickman 04-07-2012 07:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 509Chevelle (Post 406122)
Greg, I thought you said you were not an expert or the sharpest tool in the box. To me, it seems as if you have figured it all out and it makes plenty of good sense to me. I'm only out of $80. If you are out of more, I hope you get dealt right or your money gets returned. You know speaking of all of the "logging in under different names" back then I did notice that, but didn't give it much thought because I assumed everything was on the up and up with the sale back then. I just thought it was two guys who were friends doing a business deal.
Fortunatley, I am not out any money as I am not one of the unlucky customers. I just can't stand to see people ripped off their hard earned money so I figured this might be a way I could possibly help.

usa-69z 04-07-2012 07:20 AM
i have contacted my cc company and they will investigate..They said it takes 6 weeks ..??? i told them the story and they report it as non recieved goods that you paid for? i will push it more after the weekend.

on the other side of things ,, he (JON) took my money $1400 on the 13/2/2012 and said the order was placed , then he has said he picked them up , then he had them in the shop ready to ship..If thats not fraud/theft i dont know what is?? thats as blatant as can be.... ive had numerous emails today from other guys that have spoken to him as recent as today and he is still telling them there wheels are on there way..

214Chevy 04-07-2012 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by garickman (Post 406125)
Fortunatley, I am not out any money as I am not one of the unlucky customers. I just can't stand to see people ripped off their hard earned money so I figured this might be a way I could possibly help.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have no sympathy for a liar and less for a thief. From the looks of it, and I repeat...from the looks of it he seems to be both. Notice I said "seems to be." I'm trying to remain as positive as I can about all of this hoping he will make all right.

The WidowMaker 04-07-2012 08:51 AM
i am either missing something or your posts got edited. theres no wrong doing that i see other than him being delayed (which sucks but not criminal). i dont see any attempt at fraud. but then again, i think your posts must have been edited and it dont see anything about facebook????

buickfunnycar.com 04-07-2012 09:12 AM
I too just looked at his FB page and see nothing that was mentioned here...:rolleyes:

GregWeld 04-07-2012 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bad.samaritan (Post 406143)
Just my .02

I've had no problems reaching Jon by phone in the last 2 days. If he doesn't pickup I've had a return call within 30min. Before someone label's me a "cheerleader" or a "fanboy" let me say that I don't know Jon anymore than anyone else on here. I have never dealt with Driverzinc, only NewGen and this is my first transaction with them.

The invoice for my wheels/tires came from NewGen, has NewGen email addresses and different contact info from anything I ever saw in here or on Driverzinc website (now taken down). I'd like to think that someone ripping me off wouldn't bother answering the phone (even after hours once). I honestly think he completely stepped away and started over until he found out Travis wasn't in for the long haul.

Does that mean I'm not worried....no. After reading this I am definitely concerned and will have to think over the weekend whether or not I am going to pull the plug. I called him because this week is the 6th week of the estimated 4-6wk production time and I wanted an update/pics/something showing some progress. While he did answer all my questions and give me an update on where everything was at he also said it would be 2 more weeks. That's what really got me concerned. I've seen a couple threads on here where 6wks turned into 12-15wks, and I don't have that kind of patience or timeline.

I'd really like to think he's just dealing with the fallout of a bad business deal, but I'm not comfortable banking my $$ on it.


SORRY, SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY IT..... Don't be an idiot. Pull the plug.


Lots and lots of good wheel manufacturers out there. You know. The kind that don't rip people off. They don't lie. They deliver when they say they will.

chevelleshack 04-07-2012 12:59 PM
I reported mine on 3/8 & the credit card company had it resolved & credited my account the 6600.00 on 3/19 . They didn't seem to have a problem with mine but it was less than the 90 days , circus started the first week of January for me .
Phil

ssx 04-07-2012 01:02 PM
Damn...I guess I got lucky. I ordered a set of the Twist Machine Bezels from Driverz...got an email from Jon to call him on his cell, which I did. He told me good timing as he was at the bank and I got my order in 4 days...A few days later and I see all of this going on...Just seems strange that his Facebook page etc would be "open" with all of this going on? Especially if this was your way to make a living the past few years...an explanation would be nice, even if it isn't what people want to hear...

jocko124 04-07-2012 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skatinjay27 (Post 405780)
i wont speak on southrods dealings BUT regarding your dealings it was all aired out (both sides) and i dont know about others but my conclusion was your situation wasn't john fault at all... cheer-leading's got nothing to do with it..
You're more than welcome to your opinion. It wasn't really all aired out, I told my side of the story, Jon made a bunch of lame excuses and then the cheerleaders jumped in and trashed me for calling Jon out. A lot of members (both here and on pro-touring.com) PM'd (or called) me and shared similar experiences and thanked me for posting mine---because they were afraid to share their story for fear of being bashed by the Driverz-Inc cheerleaders. I'm amazed that after all the negative information that has come out since my original post, you or anyone else here could even begin to defend Jon or give credence to anything he has ever posted. The man is a pathological liar and a thief.

FETorino 04-07-2012 01:54 PM
Bummer
 
I am lucky my project is moving slowly since I may have ordered a set of NewGen performance Lites and would have got caught up in this shiiii....

I feel the pain some of you are suffering. I've gotten burned a couple times by thieves only for a couple hundred bucks or less but it still sucks.

Call the CC company and open a claim. File a report with the BBB. Don't sit around and get taken.

buickfunnycar.com 04-07-2012 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jocko124 (Post 406176)
The man is a pathological liar and a thief...
Man,those are some strong words...judge,jury,and executioner.

jocko124 04-07-2012 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by musclecarjohn (Post 406186)
Man,those are some strong words...judge,jury,and executioner.
That's based on my experiences with him, and I stand by it.

John510 04-07-2012 02:28 PM
If he's calling people why is he not coming on here saying what happened?

Bryan O 04-07-2012 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by musclecarjohn (Post 406186)
Man,those are some strong words...judge,jury,and executioner.
VERY GOOD POINT JOHN. SOMEBODY HAD TO SAY IT.


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