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Track Junky 07-10-2012 04:02 PM

Looks like your are making some great progress Chris. Cant wait to see how this one turns out. :thumbsup:

Cris@JCG 08-06-2012 11:07 PM

Small update... I did not like the first set of frame rails we did .. we decided to re-do them to match what we already had designed for the Mustang rear 3-link clip.. plus we have sub-frame connectors...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2576.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2575.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2580.jpg

I also asked Ben Hermance to do the BB rendering in red with a SS stripe & Yenko hood.. This is the theme of the car!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...noblinkers.jpg

Cris@JCG 08-27-2012 01:38 PM

This is what I am thinking about for my gas tank.. dual cells in front of the axle.. down side it will only hold 10 gallons of fuel..
Carl C from Vaporworks will pay us a visit this week to discuss my idea...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...Stub_Assem.jpg

syborg tt 08-28-2012 01:27 PM

Chris I love the dual tank idea. I have alway's hated the time bomb in the back of these old cars.

Lotus has a similar set up and I had considered using it on the 70 but I didn't want to sacrfice the rear seat. If you cut in the rear seat area you might be able to get a few more gallons. heck if your running a LS and get two 6 gallon tanks you would still get close to 200 miles out of the tanks which is simlar to my Wonderful 5.3 Tahoe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 432712)
This is what I am thinking about for my gas tank.. dual cells in front of the axle.. down side it will only hold 10 gallons of fuel..
Carl C from Vaporworks will pay us a visit this week to discuss my idea...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...Stub_Assem.jpg


OLDFLM 08-28-2012 02:43 PM

What about a tank that would go over the hump in the back seat? That should get you a couple of more gallons... or just go bigger and make the back seat a "shelf"... just thinking out loud.

Cris@JCG 08-28-2012 08:57 PM

Purpose for putting the gas tank in front of the axle is to distribute the weight towards the center of the car.. & maintain the center of gravity in the middle.. Plus I don't want all that weight swinging back their.. With a LS motor I will get decent gas milage... Just got a new LS3 crate motor!

Quote:

Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 432966)
Chris I love the dual tank idea. I have alway's hated the time bomb in the back of these old cars.

Lotus has a similar set up and I had considered using it on the 70 but I didn't want to sacrfice the rear seat. If you cut in the rear seat area you might be able to get a few more gallons. heck if your running a LS and get two 6 gallon tanks you would still get close to 200 miles out of the tanks which is simlar to my Wonderful 5.3 Tahoe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLDFLM (Post 432987)
What about a tank that would go over the hump in the back seat? That should get you a couple of more gallons... or just go bigger and make the back seat a "shelf"... just thinking out loud.


Autokraft 08-28-2012 09:17 PM

C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

SLO_Z28 08-29-2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autokraft (Post 433081)
C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

^This. Id be willing to bet if you fabbed it right you could even run the C5 pumps. Ill have to run by and talk about it, lord knows ive changed about 500 or more fuel pumps in C5's. This is actually a very cool, and good design for a number of reasons.

Garage Dog 65 08-30-2012 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autokraft (Post 433081)
C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

New Caddy and new Camaro also use the C5/C6 concept with a much better pump/bucket/sump idea. Pontiac G8GT uses same. Vaporworx kit uses the same camaro pump. Carl will hook ya up with the best info.

Jim

Cris@JCG 08-30-2012 07:58 AM

2005 Mustangs have the same concept but it is on one tank.. I had already been talking to Carl about this.. Basically said don't worry about it.. we will get it to work.. I have the whole idea in my head by now got to get fabricating the the tanks... We will build the tank out of aluminum...

Here is one we built for the 70 Mustang..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2469.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autokraft (Post 433081)
C5 vettes have dual tanls in the same location. Looks great Chris

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 433332)
^This. Id be willing to bet if you fabbed it right you could even run the C5 pumps. Ill have to run by and talk about it, lord knows ive changed about 500 or more fuel pumps in C5's. This is actually a very cool, and good design for a number of reasons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65 (Post 433362)
New Caddy and new Camaro also use the C5/C6 concept with a much better pump/bucket/sump idea. Pontiac G8GT uses same. Vaporworx kit uses the same camaro pump. Carl will hook ya up with the best info.

Jim


Cris@JCG 10-25-2012 08:04 PM

One of the key pcs to my front suspension is the use of the C6 Corvette upright.. So I sat down & did a cost analysis of what all the components were going to cost me to buy & machine.. not cheap.. So we are making our own upright.. steering arm will be built into it, dual taper serviceable hub bearings, our own hub, & provisions for rotor ducting.. Currently my engineer is working doing a FEA & analysis.. Then my machinist will look @ the design for cost & optimization..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...hine_Assem.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ab-Machine.jpg

Ron in SoCal 10-25-2012 08:59 PM

Chris...you are a rebel :captain:

IIisbetter 10-25-2012 09:24 PM

I love test cars!!
We all benefit. Thanks Chris!!

The WidowMaker 10-25-2012 09:31 PM

wow. youre insane. if it doesnt exist, you make it and we all benefit. gotta love it!

Nessumsar 10-26-2012 11:09 AM

Once again, amazing stuff is going on at JGC. :bow:

Have you guys made any more progress on the dual fuel tanks?

Cris@JCG 10-28-2012 09:17 AM

I will be working on building those here pretty soon!



Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessumsar (Post 443210)
Once again, amazing stuff is going on at JGC. :bow:

Have you guys made any more progress on the dual fuel tanks?


68KMARO 10-28-2012 12:00 PM

Jcg 68 Camaro
 
Great work as always. I will be following this build like all of your builds. Thanks for all the info, you the man!!!!!

rich

Cris@JCG 11-20-2012 11:03 AM

Another version of our upright with the steering arm built into it.. this what we will building the next few weeks... Plus I got this crazy idea that I will be working on soon for this upright.. all I am saying right now is welded GN snouts!!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ne_Assem-4.jpg

Cris@JCG 11-20-2012 11:16 AM

Currently we are building revision 2 on the sub-frame... Got the rear suspension components cut... got some tub & trunk work done...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2853.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2854.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2855.jpg

57hemicuda 11-21-2012 06:05 AM

Wow Chris, its like de'javu. I had those exact uprights rolling around in my head, GN snouts and all. I guess brilliant minds.LOL

Cris@JCG 11-25-2012 11:58 AM

Ron- This year @ Optima was like it was full blown racing.. So now we work towards applying some of the Asphalt racing technology in what we do.. I have three new items in design right now that will be a bit different that I will be implimenting in my suspension stuff..

Great hanging out with you & Payton this year @ SEMA.. I will see ya soon @ the Mid-West events for 2013! We can share some more brilliant ideas! :D :unibrow:


Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 447503)
Wow Chris, its like de'javu. I had those exact uprights rolling around in my head, GN snouts and all. I guess brilliant minds.LOL


blazer1970 11-25-2012 06:48 PM

Subscribed....nice work.

ProPont 11-25-2012 08:51 PM

I enjoy following all of your builds and your craftsmanship. Do you happen to sell the welded in roll bar firewall braces? It would be great if I could get a set.

Cris@JCG 11-26-2012 07:54 PM

Thank you for the props!

Funny you should ask about the flanges... I will be ordering material tomorrow for the machine shop to make us some more.. Check back with us in a few weeks.. I finally found somebody that can help with selling of our products.. I have way to many things going on & cannot fully dedicate to the selling of our components.. Brian will be starting next week helping with promoting our store & plus will be helping out in the shop finishing cars.. He will introduce himself next week..

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Originally Posted by ProPont (Post 448292)
I enjoy following all of your builds and your craftsmanship. Do you happen to sell the welded in roll bar firewall braces? It would be great if I could get a set.


ProPont 11-26-2012 10:12 PM

Awesome Cris, I will contact you in a few weeks. :thumbsup

Cris@JCG 01-05-2013 04:59 PM

Today's project.. Still have lots more ahead of use but will be worth it in the end.. The fender extensions, spoiler, & splitter will me out of some composite material.. these are just the molds.. Borrowed this 67 for mock up!


http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps161a42ae.jpg

The challenge is doing the transfer from the extension to the spoiler.. end goal is to just run the spoiler by itself or with the splitter...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps98ca9be5.jpg

Flash68 01-05-2013 06:08 PM

That's exactly the shape of spoiler I want. Looks great. Ok how much? :lol:

randy 01-05-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 455892)
That's exactly the shape of spoiler I want. Looks great. Ok how much? :lol:

lol i was just saying this the other day about my car too lol

ccracin 01-05-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 455912)
I was going to say the same thing...

...then I remembered that I already did...

Wait I'm confused, is this your car? I thought it was at BOS?

James OLC 01-05-2013 07:51 PM

Edited.

My car is indeed at Best of Show.

Cris@JCG 01-05-2013 08:04 PM

Let me get further ahead & see who can make a few for me.. then I will let you know.. I need to make sure you can get replacements cause you will break them going in your driveway!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 455892)
That's exactly the shape of spoiler I want. Looks great. Ok how much? :lol:


Cris@JCG 01-05-2013 08:13 PM

James- The base start of this will look similar to the first one you did on OLC.. The driving force behind this spoiler is that Carl Casanova wants this for his car for the recent upgrades.. I did tell him that I would start this way but in the end it will have to look the way I want it to.. plus the function has to be optimal.. Plus I need to be able to apply it to other builds that I have for the shop..

I will be honest with you about one thing.. The first time I saw OLC @ SEMA .. It is what caught my attention to build Pro-Tour Camaro's .. The work & detail just blew my mind away.. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 455924)
Edited.

My car is indeed at Best of Show.


James OLC 01-05-2013 09:06 PM

It's all good Chris.

Carl's track record suggests that his is going to need to have some strength behind it; maybe his should be done out of 1/4" - just in case... :unibrow:

And thanks.

CarlC 01-05-2013 09:14 PM

Your's held up just fine to that innocent little Bambi.....

Cris@JCG 01-07-2013 02:32 PM

You might have a good chance of picking just about everything on the road..

Todays status... My number priority is the function of the spoiler.. We kinda used what they did on a 70 Trans Am... But the goal was to deflect the air away from the tire...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_3033.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_3035.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlC (Post 455959)
Your's held up just fine to that innocent little Bambi.....


carbuff 01-07-2013 03:36 PM

I'm not sure if I'm aerodynamically knowledgeable enough to crticize, but I'll try anyway... ;)

Aren't you going to be adding drag by flaring the spoiler out away from the car? In other words, wouldn't it be better to have reverse the curve such that it was rounded towards the tire instead of out and away from the car? If seems like if it was a curve towards the tire then it would help direct the air down the side of the car.

By doing it the way in which you have, you will create a turbulent spot behind that spoiler right there at the tire. I don't know if that creates any kind of problem, but at a bare minimum, flowing air right down the side of the tire could only help in at least removing heat from the braking area, right?

Just a thought after looking at the picture... Can you educate me otherwise if I'm completely off base please? :)

Cris@JCG 01-07-2013 04:01 PM

Take a look @ this attached picture... & see if you can envision how it is deflecting & & creating down force.. I will come back later tonight to answer your questions..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...rvette_z06.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 456417)
I'm not sure if I'm aerodynamically knowledgeable enough to crticize, but I'll try anyway... ;)

Aren't you going to be adding drag by flaring the spoiler out away from the car? In other words, wouldn't it be better to have reverse the curve such that it was rounded towards the tire instead of out and away from the car? If seems like if it was a curve towards the tire then it would help direct the air down the side of the car.

By doing it the way in which you have, you will create a turbulent spot behind that spoiler right there at the tire. I don't know if that creates any kind of problem, but at a bare minimum, flowing air right down the side of the tire could only help in at least removing heat from the braking area, right?

Just a thought after looking at the picture... Can you educate me otherwise if I'm completely off base please? :)


syborg tt 01-07-2013 04:41 PM

I learned alot for Troy when they took Blowfish to the Wind Tunel and what they thought would work didn't and what they ended up with was about a 1/16 of what they started with. In the end the only way anyone will know if a front air dam, spoiler or rocker skirts work is to get the car in a wind tunnel. Which is very very expensive.

In the case of the Blow Fish - less was better.

However on a Side Note: I really like the look and can't wait to see it in Carbon Fiber.

dontlifttoshift 01-07-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 456417)
I'm not sure if I'm aerodynamically knowledgeable enough to crticize, but I'll try anyway... ;)

Aren't you going to be adding drag by flaring the spoiler out away from the car? In other words, wouldn't it be better to have reverse the curve such that it was rounded towards the tire instead of out and away from the car? If seems like if it was a curve towards the tire then it would help direct the air down the side of the car.

By doing it the way in which you have, you will create a turbulent spot behind that spoiler right there at the tire. I don't know if that creates any kind of problem, but at a bare minimum, flowing air right down the side of the tire could only help in at least removing heat from the braking area, right?

Just a thought after looking at the picture... Can you educate me otherwise if I'm completely off base please? :)

My understanding was that the air around the tire was so turbulent that it was worth the drag penalty to direct the air around the tire. This was touched on in the reinventing OLC thread a little. Everything you said makes perfect sense, though.

Jr 01-07-2013 05:03 PM

Looks great. Can't wait to see the final product.


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