Bummer!

I had the same issu..
 

I have the same issu... losen the engine mount and the engine/mount on the frame and move them over to passanger side just a little bit.. and u hav your clearens... and check you trans/mount if that is in corrrct possition...

Hope it will help..
Kjell:)

So you mean swing the trans towards the passenger side, and if so would that have a reprocautions ( tension on motor mounts or vibration )
Motor sits a dead center of sub now , so ill give that a try
Thanks

I had to lose all my bolts and move the hole engine over a bitt over to the passanger side yes.. and i also losen the trans and pull that a bit,,the headers is near,, but i hop it will be ok...

Kjell

No go for me , I have to move my trans 1" to almost clear headers, that is more than what I'm Confortable with. So my choices are
1. Find other mounts that move engine back about .5"
2. Cut up headers to fit
3. Cut subframe
4. Fab new headers

What ever its going to be. its sure going to be fun.
I'm hoping to possibly combine some mounts to move engine back a bit .5" at most and play with trans center offset.
Another idea would be to see if DSE would ship me driver side header without welds. that would could be my best bet.

Ohhh.. talk to them they sent me some tubes, and i have to cut and weld..
i didnt move my trans en engine much.. maybe few mm or so..
DSE should look into this.. if there is a better way to do it..
good luck:lateral:

Kjell

Has anyboby tried the Kooks headers with the DSE sub with 1/2 height body mounts? I've been talking with them and they suppose to be checking on fitment for this setup. They say they will work with the stock mounts but not sure about the 1/2 height mounts.

get some dirty dingo fully adjustable mounts and see if you get some of the clearance you need

and engine is trans is mocked up on my buddies 69 dse subframe
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0317.jpg

its close so we are going to have to tilt the engine up some or mod the crossmember. chances are the crossmember will get flattened out.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0316.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0315.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0312.jpg

the adapter will need to be turned the other way. currently its touching the headers
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0311.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0310.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMG_3924.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0307.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0306.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...9/IMAG0305.jpg

Overall the SW header clearance is amazing. they fit perfect in the subframe.

i would love to trade you headers :)

Overall the SW header clearance is amazing. they fit perfect in the subframe.[/QUOTE]

The American Racing headers I tried fit the sub frame good also, but with the 1/2 height body mounts the headers was hitting the bottom of the floor pan.

[QUOTE=The American Racing headers I tried fit the sub frame good also, but with the 1/2 height body mounts the headers was hitting the bottom of the floor pan.[/QUOTE]

I would also like to know how the Stainless Works one fit after the subframe is in the car and steering linkage installed.....Also are these the Wayne Due style SW ones?

Mods vs custom headers
 

I sent you a PM. The recommended modifications and changes to the angles seems costly and risky. Do you fit the headers to the car or the car to the headers. One has risk and cost... the other has cost. Also the discussion seems to focus on the headers.. there is a lot of exhaust left to deal with given you have the quad link unless you want to go dusters before the axles....Let us know what you decide.

yes I had all the same challenges several times so I understand. I did run mine over the axle and out the back. Harder but worth the effort in my opinion.

i can get some pic of them under the car soon for you

Going with a custom crossmember and over the axles with a Quadralink. I'll probably try the Kooks to see if they work, but if not DSE headers it is. Has anybody tried Hookers?

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...psde026a5b.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps90bec4b1.jpg

Here's the issue I had with the 1/2 height body mounts. Half inch make a big difference.

what if you cut off the end of the headers alittle bit and add a equivalent oval instead of a round end? something like this but straight.

http://www.spintechmufflers.com/tran...ws/cat_48.html

That might could have worked, but if you cut the headers you bought them.
ARH was real nice about it and refunded my account. They would have worked with the stock body mounts. Kooks said they were not sure on the fitment either. :hairpullout:

I agree , you should cut those at the collector . I would say 2.5" @ 5 degrees (judging by the picture) will give more than enough space.

You should have seen how much I hesitated at every cut on DSE ones. I was sweating like a dog. So any how I got my issue situated with help from DSE. I'll post up some info and pictures when I get to my laptop

well first of would like to thank DSE Dan/kyle for helping me out with sending me a loose kit. they certainly went out of they're way to help out. I'm sure it takes man hours / $$ of going back and forth with client ,on something that is not part of the production line .
so this is what they looked like after a few length cuts. #3 and #7 were also cut, clocked & tacked as seen in pics. it was a pain trying to make all four tubes give the clearance needed ( frame & steering shaft ) while being able to tuck them inside at collector.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...ps74f97df2.jpg
yeah I was sweating at every cut. sometimes I would cut just the thickness of the bladehttp://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...ps53d109b6.jpg
I started with this two because the only cut required was the length at both ends.http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...psd0609955.jpg
clearance pic before any tacking and no collector work yet.
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...ps97f1435f.jpghttp://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...ps54697d58.jpg
ahhh
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...psf48b3460.jpg
finished and perfect fit :ups:

Wow Frank, the headers turned out great, glad you got the fitment you needed. Hope I can also. :thumbsup:

Look Awesome
 

Frank those do look awesome. Very nice welding!

Thanks , sure you can get it done just do be afraid to cut. Measure 6x sleep on it and cut

I wish I could weld like this but those are DSE welds. Part of the deal was that I would ship them back for final welding. Had to meet quality control for the brand.
No regrets on $$$ spend
Tx

DSE adding your header to catalog?
 

so is DSE going to add them to their catalog? I am in the same situation. I have their frame and stock height body mounts but my metal work is all done and painted. Don't want to move engine back and cut up tunnel. What options do I have? Thanks for any input.

Going with the Ultimate headers that Dan Holohan received from them at his shop a few days ago. Here is a few pics of the fitment on my car. I tried to get as many angles as I could. Give him a call and he can fill you in on them.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps210ee707.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps4ab742ae.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps3719e4b3.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps6f113e01.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps76e4fdc2.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps1501794c.jpg

How did they work
 

Gatekeeper, how did the ultimate headers work out? I know I have seen pics of them on Red Devil. I am using a DSE subframe in a 2nd gen and I'm hoping the ultimate headers will work. Also if they did work what motor mounts did you use or if anyone knows what set back Red Devil uses. I know the passanger side is custom to use a 4th gen motor mount. Thanks Bill