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Thanks raj.
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And we continue, but the rear end is in sight ;) see what i did there
Hardcore tapered bearings and crush tube live inside the hub. The crush tube is the exact size to ensure you cant over tighten the hub nut allowing the hub housing to spin freely http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_23.jpg Billet hub housing bolted in place with brake rotor adapters http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_24.jpg Jason expertly measures the axel lengths so we can get them ordered from Strange Engineering http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_25.jpg Next up, the great Strange Engineering pro HD aluminium housing, complete with chromoly yoke, Strange S-trac diff, and 3.7 gearset. http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_26.jpg These babies have more bite than jaws! http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_27.jpg Complete third member bolted in place http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_28.jpg finally the fully assembled rear end (minus the shafts) http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_29.jpg http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_30.jpg Next stage, install the gun drilled hy-tuf 35 spline axles from strange, and then we move onto the brakes. |
So we have an update from retropower on the body rebuild.
Stu at retropower has started cutting out the wroten panels and is replacing them with GM Approved repair panels provided by AutoMetalsDirect. As you will see throughout the build, these panels are as good as OEM. First up, Stu gets the shell mounted on the chassis jig and tackles the front cowl area As always, the full public album is available here The Body Rebuild But here is a preview. The shell is mounted to the chassis table to maintain its shape once most of its cut out :| http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild02.jpg Stu goes wild with the cutting gear. We are building a custom permiter chassis which means custom floor pans and trans tunnnel etc.. so not a lot worth keeping. This will also allows us a 40mm body drop ;) The complete bulkhead and cowl area is chopped out ready for replacement. http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild09.jpg The excellent AMD repair sections are spot welded back in place http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild14.jpg http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild17.jpg Coming together in OEM form. Later in the project, this area will be cleaned up with all the holes removed, and a nice clean firewall fabbed with simple bead lines rolled in for strength. No need for brake servo or wiper motor hole as I have some trick stuff up my sleve for these :) http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild18.jpg The front section all complete http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild22.jpg Stu then unpicks the roof skin ready for the next phase of repairs which will start in a couple of weeks http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild24.jpg Enjoy, and be sure to check out the full gallery of pics here The Body Rebuild |
Nice build its going to be awesome.
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Thanks.
Would be great to hear some feedback from some more experienced builders on this project. This is my first muscle car build so constantly learning as I go Amit |
looks great! Keep it up!
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I think your doing a pretty damn good job myself. :thumbsup:
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Great looking build! Looking forward to watching it come together.
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Cool thanks guys..
do pipe in if there is anything I am doing wrong or can be done better ;) work on the body shell will slow down now for a couple of weeks as retropower have to do some work other customer cars. probably a good thing as I am running out of money already lol need to find me a rich sheikh backer! GMR are in the process of fitting the brakes to the rear axle, and building the front uprights. I have seen sneak peaks and they look awesome. Pics to follow soon |
And onto the next thrilling installment in the rebuild saga.
This week, we have moved onto the rear end. The Full picture set of the story so far can be found here The Body Rebuild Continues First of all, we strip her back to the core structure. As you can see, not much original metal is staying http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild26.jpg The excellent rear panel from AMD is then tacked in place. http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild27.jpg To ensure alignment, the outer panels were temporarily refitted. http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild28.jpg Then they were removed so the repair work could continue. The wheels tubs were also removed to be replaced by some nice reworked AMD tubs http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild37.jpg The outer skin of the pillar support rib wasnt looking too great http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild38.jpg so it was cut out http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild47.jpg a repair section was fabbed http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild43.jpg and welded back in good as new http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild48.jpg New wheels tub fitted, after some minor rework to maximize clearance http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild45.jpg more rot - before http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild50.jpg during http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild51.jpg and as after. You would never know it was there. Great repair skill from Stu @retropower http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild52.jpg Starting to look like a car again, but still a long way to go. Again outer panels still temporarily fitted to test alignment. http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild59.jpg Next installment, we start on the left hand side, and I should have some updates on the front struts |
Looking good so far. Digging that axle. I'm currently planning to use the GMR floater and center section. Not sure what housing yet though.
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I went for the chromoly for its strength to weight ratio and because it looked cool :)
In reality, the modified strange engineering case is good enough for most implementations. Good choice on gmr though. |
The body rebuild continues!
I have just posted another 40+ step by step pictures to my public gallery here The Body Rebuild but a few highlights for the thread This rear parcel tray panel isnt looking so hot http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild68.jpg So lets chop it all out http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild76.jpg In with the new inner panel http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild80.jpg and the outer panel http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild83.jpg Outer quater can then be spot welded in place. http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild92.jpg Much better. As you can see, fittment on these repro AMD panels is excellent! http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild89.jpg Panel gaps are bad either out of the box! These will be tightend latetr http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild91.jpg Next the roof support was blasted http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild95.jpg and painted http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...yrebuild97.jpg And thats it for the body repair so far. Next will be the other side, plus the roof skin. Then the upgrades can start :) |
In the mean time, Jason from the GMR finshed of the rear end :) by fitting the brakes
The Full gallery is here Rear end build Album Sexy red wilwood stoppers will look lovely against the black discs and gold wheels http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_31.jpg Jason uses his nogin and an air line to perfectly locate the caliper braket before welding http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_32.jpg for the parking brake, I decided to use a GMR spot caliper http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_34.jpg and clamped in place with a single bolt in the mech to locate http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_35.jpg and finaly, my xmas present ready to ship :) http://www.c4ppy.net/camaro/3.thereb...rearend_36.jpg In other news, I have found a new designer to continue the good work Mike Gillet started. Unfortunetly Mike doesnt have the time to take the project further so victor from Victor Fulton Designs has stepped in to get the ideas out of my head and onto paper. Here is a sneak peak from Victor. https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...57190870_n.jpg This is by no means the final render, just victor showing off. Please check out his facebook page here Victor Fulton Designs And drop him a line if you need any design work. I is offering an incredible deal for his first 5 customers Thats all folks.. unitl next time. As always I would love to hear your feedback/comments and please join in the banter on facebook and tell your friends :) |
Man that rear end looks killer, and so does the rendering. What are the wheels and specs you are going with again?
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Thanks man.
The wheels are rotiform blq 8x18 front and 10x18 rear Pic of wheels here http://m.pinterest.com/pin/121597258659255149/ On my iPhone so can't inline post |
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Thoose look pretty sweet, seems like your putting alot of work into this car and only a 10" wide rear wheel? Might as well mini-tub while your there. :unibrow: |
I'm not sure if I like 12s on the rear.
From the rear on view, the look too close together. Having said that, the wheel tubs have been massaged to take a wider wheel if I so decide. Will post a pic of that at some point |
Besides ferraris manage with 10" rear wheels ;)
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Any comments on any of the work so far guys?
Anything I should be doing that I haven't? |
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btw! That's one bada$$ rear setup |
Lol maybe I need to fuk something up lol. This thread seems to be a little one sided.
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Lol.
I guess it's just basic repair atm. The fun stuff is yet to come |
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What are your plans for the car ? Is it going to be a track car ? If so I would do as few special body mods as possible. Items like front spoilers can be made in metal the repoped in fiberglass or carbon fiber. That way your not spending a fortune to repair any track damage and the car can quickly return to the track. |
It's mainly going to be a technology show case car but I won't be scared of taking it round the track.
The spoilers etc will be made from composites. Amit |
Subbing in to follow along. Love the work so far!
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Some of the companies known to be a part of this are iForged, ADV.1, Cor, rotiform, Strasse Forged, 360 Forged, Sevas, New gen (yes, those too) etc. If you look through all their portfolios you will see the same wheels over and over. Rotiform is actually pretty unique, but you can tell they use the same wheel blanks and construction methods as all the other companies. Kind of a shame because tehyre very nice looking. This is a COR ("Made in the USA") wheel that failed on a track car: http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...bvRNZD5-XL.jpg http://importgenius.com/importers/cor-llc They import "rim components" from China, despite all their Made in the USA chest beating. Anyway, back to rotiform, just in case you think Im making things up to stir the pot: http://importgenius.com/importers/rotiform-llc Shipper: SHANDONG CHIRON AUTO PART CO.,LTD HIGH-NEW TECH ZONE,DONGYIN CITY,SHA DONGYING,,CN 0086531-67808999 Consignee: ROTIFORM,LLC 6382 INDUSTRY,WAY WESTMINSTER,CA926 WESTMINSTER,CA,92683,US 714372-362 Port of Loading Ching Tao Port of Discharge Long Beach, California Declaration of Goods ALLOY WHEELS Anyway, Im not saying they're bad wheels, but Im saying they're not tested to any kind of standard at all. Just keep an eye on them if you use them for any kind of track use, and dont count on any of those companies taking care of you if something happens. Cor changed their warranty after their infamous failure at a track day (on street tires). http://jalopnik.com/cor-wheels/ Some very shifty things going on. Heres some ADV.1 wheels with some really questionable standards: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=717258 Look through all those companies' wheels and you'll start noticing all the similarities. They all come from the same Chinese plant... the same 2 or 3 assembly methods, and looks like most come from the same 2 or 3 blank designs iwth the same "concave"ness to them. http://rotiform.com/images/products/...ave_blq_19.jpg http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...crapwheel1.jpg http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...crapwheel4.jpg http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels...on/ADV10DC.php |
Good info on the wheels
Thanks.
Take this from someone who has been there and done that...mini tub your car while you are there. I did not the first time I did my car and I had to go back to do it...at a very large cost. Pictures are different than real life and the 335 rear do not look to large. Tub it for 335's even if you are not going to run them. If you ever sell, I would be the buyer will want 335's on the back. Can't remember what motor you are going to run, but anything over 400 hp at the wheels will cause traction problems without the larger tires. |
Thanks for the comment.
I spoke to the guys at the shop and they told me they are going to mini tub it later in the build when they create the custom chassis rails. In the mean time, what they have done is beat the inside of the outer tub out so that its closer to the outer quarter. This will allow me to run the wheels nicely tucked with less chance of rubbing. So I get best of both worlds :) And 3 piece wheels means I have some flexibility changing the widths too. Amit |
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Thanks for the heads up. I didnt know this was the case! I will certainly raise it with rotiform. |
I spoke to Rotiform and this was their response.
"Not sure where that poster got his info but its incorrect. Our forged wheels are 100% USA made. Our blanks come from Alcoa. I cant speak for any of the other companies he mentions but you can rest assured you have the highest quality wheels and they exceed VIA, JWL and TUV specifications. You have nothing to worry about :)" |
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Amit I love your build and how you detail each post. You and Bret @ Fab43 must be distant cousins with the way you both post such great updates. Makes me feel like I should step up my post detail. |
Thanks Marty.
As this build is mainly a cheque book build, the threads and research are the only way to keep my hands dirty so to speak. All my previous cars I have built myself.. But now with two young kids, it would take me a few years to build this car. Now of to search for some threads from bret :) |
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http://importgenius.com/importers/rotiform-llc http://rotiform.com/contact_us.htm The address in Westminster, CA is also correct here. 6382 Industrial Way. This is the real clincher to me that made me suspicious. The trend I see is most of these companies taking advantage of "made in the USA" standards which basically mean if you bolt it together here, you can say it. Most of these places will only show pictures of their warehouses full of wheel parts, and pictures of them assembling wheels. You rarely ever see any of them actually machining their own wheels. HRE for example goes through a lot of trouble to show pictures (and videos) of their machining processes. Rotiform's wheels are unique amongst these other companies, despite similarities in general shape, so I can beleive they actually do machine their own centers, but why there are import records showing parts from China is a mystery to me. maybe it's just centercaps or something? Or maybe its their 1 piece wheels? Regardless, in their particular case, Im tempted to believe them. But it's a serious issue these days. You have to be real careful, because as the Cor fiasco (along with the Sevas debacle) shows, these boutique wheel companies can get people into trouble from time to time. Anyway, just keep an eye on em, Im sure they'll be fine. The Cor wheels that failed visibly looked fairly weak. As a little aside, HRE http://importgenius.com/importers/hr...ormance-wheels Their parts come from England and germany BBS http://importgenius.com/suppliers/bbs-washi-wheels-gmbh England So not everyone imports from China... You can play around with that site and find a lot of interesting things about different companies. |
Yeah I also believe it is the case with rotiform as I was able to order the wheels to my spec and had to wait for them to be machined.
Maybe some of their cheaper wheels are from china? Either way defo a good heads up and something for people to think about. It's all to easy to take these things for granted. Amit |
Nice project! Congrats!
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Just a minor update so you guys dont forget me :)
I would like to say a big thanks to II Much Fabrication for hooking us up with their fuel and diff vents As you guys know by now, I am a sucker for great engineering. Even on the most minute part of the car. These are designed to vent the fuel tank, and diff case, allowing the systems to breath without odur and leakage. I will be using two of these, one to vent the diff case, and one to vent the fuel tank. http://blog.iimuchfabrication.com/wp...background.jpg We are a long way off installing these, but hey, collect the parts and the project will continue. Hopefully back soon with some more drawings, and fab pic of the front end Amit |
#1 -- I can't believe that you or anyone (Mario) would start with bodies that are so rotted out! OMG! But I also understand it. Not dissing you or anyone else that's had to go thru this. Just saying - it's amazing how much work and $$$ has to be spent just getting back to 'standard'.
#2 -- Great project. Taking it on in the UK even more outstanding! #3 -- IMHO -- just get a nice GM crate motor - LS7 is 'more than' ample - LS9 if you want to scare yourself and spend a bunch more... I would think sticking with a standard crate motor and standard computer to run things in the UK would be a huge advantage. Dress it nicely and you'll have a great car. #4 -- Commenting really just because I wanted to subscribe! So pay no attention to #'s 1 thru 3 :lol: |
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