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FETorino 06-16-2012 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 419754)

Somehow I got these for $1400 for the pair. They are fancy and made of carbon fiber.

Matt
The other week when I was donw there I couldn't help but like you. You just seemed like a great guy but now: Now out of complete jealousy that you found the seat I have dreamed of for my Torino at a price I can afford I hate you. :lol: Help a brother out and find me a set.

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 419754)
Hopefully they add a little bit of lightness to made up for the filler, and wimpy Ford motor I hope to put in.

Matt
Hey I saw your work so far and from a design perspective it looks very nice. I don't think you had that much filler on it.

You've been driving that Shelby so you know those Fords run just fine.:D

I still say build an old school windsor based motor using a stock Ford CPU and quarterhorse tuning software. Lots of trackable power to be had for cheap.

Matt@BOS 06-16-2012 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 419993)
The other week when I was donw there I couldn't help but like you. You just seemed like a great guy but now: Now out of complete jealousy that you found the seat I have dreamed of for my Torino at a price I can afford I hate you. :lol: Help a brother out and find me a set.



Hey I saw your work so far and from a design perspective it looks very nice. I don't think you had that much filler on it.

You've been driving that Shelby so you know those Fords run just fine.:D

I still say build an old school windsor based motor using a stock Ford CPU and quarterhorse tuning software. Lots of trackable power to be had for cheap.
I'm sort of glad you weren't over at JR's when I stumbled upon those seats last week. We might have started a bidding war, haha. In other related news, can I interest you in a set of Sparco Milano seats that I was saving for a rainy day :unibrow:

How much would a Windsor with EFI run me? I have noknowledge about old Ford motors, and while the thought of putting one in has crossed my mind, I just know more about mod motors, and wouldn't hesitate to take the car back to RTTH with a Coyote in it, knowing that I could knock down 25mpg+ and not have to worry about blowing anything up on the track.

Matt

Vegas69 06-16-2012 10:04 PM
I really think you will regret building the same type of car you have already. Take what you've learned and apply it to this one.:unibrow: Specifically, less maintenence and more reliability.

Matt@BOS 06-16-2012 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 420001)
I really think you will regret building the same type of car you have already. Take what you've learned and apply it to this one.:unibrow: Specifically, less maintenence and more reliability.

Less maintenance, and more reliability? Why do you think I decided to build a Ford this time :unibrow:

I've been thinking about how to make a better, faster car for a while now. I think our definitions of better and faster are going in completely different directions though. I doubt I'll be able to make this thing weigh more than 3100lbs. Right off the bat it should have a 400lb weight advantage. the car is flared 2.5." It's going to have more front tire (probably a 295) and a little less rear tire (295-315). Horsepower is a lot of fun, but I don't know that I'll need much more than 500 in this car. If I do add a blower (650ish) the car should still be fairly light. I'd like to run a dry sump and all kinds of oil coolers. I'm going to open up some quarter scoops to house those things. They'll probably just look cool, but maybe I'll drive fast enough, and long enough to take advantage of them.

Honestly, I wanted to just throw together a solid, relatively light car to have fun with, but I do tend to obsess over design elements I just couldn't make the car ugly. I don't really care about shiny paint, but since it is kind of a BOS car it will probably get that eventually. I doubt it will get too many rock chips since it will be ahead of the Camaros, and almost all Pro Touring cars are Camaros :lol:

Matt

Vegas69 06-16-2012 10:38 PM
I like your mind set on this one.

Flash68 06-16-2012 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 420009)
I like your mind set on this one.
Yep. Sounds like a guy who's made a few "mistakes" on previous cars. :D

Seriously the plan sounds tough to argue with man. And I like to argue.

Rick D 06-17-2012 06:16 AM
Matt have you considered this front setup from the Roadster Shop?

http://www.roadstershop.com/products...nsion-ifs-form

Or

http://www.roadstershop.com/products...-subframe-form

They seem to look really nice and cost is in line with the other setups out there.

Matt@BOS 06-17-2012 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 420025)
Matt have you considered this front setup from the Roadster Shop?

http://www.roadstershop.com/products...nsion-ifs-form

Or

http://www.roadstershop.com/products...-subframe-form

They seem to look really nice and cost is in line with the other setups out there.
Rick, I saw the Roadster Shop's front clip and their full frame when I visited them last year. They have outstanding build quality! I was not aware of their kit that welds in over the existing frame rails though. That is also some something to consider since I would like to keep the original pieces intact because the car has frame connectors, and crossmembers already built into the floor, and I would hate to replace something useful that came with the car.

I'm trying to keep things simple. I swear. I'd like to buy something that provides plenty of adjustment, and keeps added weight to a minimum, which is one of the really promising aspects of DSE front setup, which is made out of (mostly) aluminum. I also just remembered Agent 47 Racing. I like their stuff too. It isn't too over the top, looks like it installs easily, and gets the job done too.

http://www.agentfortyseven.com/harbinger/index.html#

So many choices now :willy:

Matt

Flash68 06-17-2012 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420068)
I also just remembered Agent 47 Racing. I like their stuff too. It isn't too over the top, looks like it installs easily, and gets the job done too.

http://www.agentfortyseven.com/harbinger/index.html#

So many choices now :willy:

Matt
Oh yeah that is another sweet option. That Harbinger is a beast! And I believe they are local to you down there, or close at least. At least you have some great options for this stuff... almost as many options for a stinkin Camaro. :D

That DSE Stang sure is kickin some butt since it came out.

Matt@BOS 06-17-2012 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 420070)
Oh yeah that is another sweet option. That Harbinger is a beast! And I believe they are local to you down there, or close at least. At least you have some great options for this stuff... almost as many options for a stinkin Camaro. :D

That DSE Stang sure is kickin some butt since it came out.
Yeah, they're over in Carlsbad. My family is in construction/development, and I used to have to do plan take offs, and other horribly boring things related to mandated road improvements that the city would eventually pay for, for the street Agent 47 is off of. I still got lost trying to find them when I went to visit one day. Trust me though, when I found them, it was worth the little detour that I took. They're a rapid prototyping company that makes all kinds of stuff with really cool machines. They have a wall of CNC mills, 3D scanners and printers, machines that will "grow" parts out of pools of resin, etc.

Speaking of options, JME is another company that makes Mustang parts, and also happens to be fairly local to me:
http://www.jmeenterprises.com/JME%20...spension.shtml

Julio's stuff is cool as well, but there is now way I'm paying 10k+ for front suspension after adding in the cost of shocks and springs. I could probably build and race a Fox body car for that much.

Oh, and about DSE's Mustang, it has been kicking ass on small 340 treadwear tires. Something must be working there.

Matt

FETorino 06-17-2012 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420073)
Yeah, they're over in Carlsbad. My family is in construction/development, and I used to have to do plan take offs, and other horribly boring things related to mandated road improvements that the city would eventually pay for, for the street Agent 47 is off of. I still got lost trying to find them when I went to visit one day. Trust me though, when I found them, it was worth the little detour that I took. They're a rapid prototyping company that makes all kinds of stuff with really cool machines. They have a wall of CNC mills, 3D scanners and printers, machines that will "grow" parts out of pools of resin, etc.

Speaking of options, JME is another company that makes Mustang parts, and also happens to be fairly local to me:
http://www.jmeenterprises.com/JME%20...spension.shtml

Julio's stuff is cool as well, but there is now way I'm paying 10k+ for front suspension after adding in the cost of shocks and springs. I could probably build and race a Fox body car for that much.

Oh, and about DSE's Mustang, it has been kicking ass on small 340 treadwear tires. Something must be working there.

Matt

What about Griggs racing? They have been racing Mustangs new and old for a long time. Take a look at their GR 350 stuff.

http://www.griggsracing.com/

Matt@BOS 06-17-2012 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420080)
What about Griggs racing? They have been racing Mustangs new and old for a long time. Take a look at their GR 350 stuff.

http://www.griggsracing.com/
I thought about Griggs. Honestly, with the right tuning and driving all of the suspension offerings will probably provide for a really fast car. I kind of want to stick with what I'm either somewhat familiar with, or with people in the community/those local to me. That is why I keep coming back to DSE, Maier, or even the Roadster Shop after Rick mentioned them. I like the shocks all of those companies use, and I know they've spent some time developing their systems to work on street tires. I figure if I mix and match front and rear, I'll be a little bit ahead if I keep it within that circle. Maybe I won't have to do quite as much sorting things out. I could spend countless phone calls being that annoying customer that spent hours of time on the phone without ever ordering anything, but I'm trying to avoid that. So far I'd give my self a passing grade :lol: I've only bugged each of them once so far.

Matt

Ugh... I'm never going to make up my mind!

Ron in SoCal 06-17-2012 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420073)
Speaking of options, JME is another company that makes Mustang parts, and also happens to be fairly local to me:
http://www.jmeenterprises.com/JME%20...spension.shtml

Julio's stuff is cool as well, but there is now way I'm paying 10k+ for front suspension after adding in the cost of shocks and springs. I could probably build and race a Fox body car for that much.
That's my vote! I'll spend your project $$$ Bro. Make sure you get the cantilever rear too :D

Really all the options mentioned are good. Just a matter of personal preference...:thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 06-17-2012 05:27 PM
Might be changing my vote...:lol:

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...93-DSE-Mustang

Matt@BOS 06-17-2012 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 420122)
Something is wrong with you. And Rob, and Dave. And Rick. All of you guys have remained on topic. We need to mark this page as an important day in history.

About DSE:

Pricing should be up in the next week or two, everything should be ready to ship sometime in July. If it does come out to 6 or 7k with remote canister shocks, that is about what I budgeted. Damn Ron, we could still buy a Fox body.

Rick D 06-17-2012 05:58 PM
Matt it is very easy to spend other guys money :lol:

Oh and I think I may have to change my vote, that DSE setup does look very impressive!

As you said any of the above mentioned will most likely get you up front, now staying there that is a different matter :thumbsup:

FETorino 06-17-2012 07:02 PM
The DSE stuff looks pretty nice and they are beating on it at tracks everywhere to prove it works.

I know I mentioned Griggs but my vote would be Roadster shop or DSE. My experience with the RS has been great so far. From what I've heard DSE is also a great family vendor to deal with. Dealing with a vendor who is accessible and willing to stand by their stuff is probably the most important piece.

It looks like the DSE stuff is designed to sandwich the stock subframe, is that what I'm seeing?

If that is the case I guess the condition of your front frame structure may be a deciding factor. If it is in really good shape then maybe the DSE is the right choice. If it is haggered then maybe the RS complete front end makes the most sense.

carbuff 06-17-2012 07:02 PM
Lat-G like forum for Mustangs?
 
I'm curious, with all of this talk on a Mustang project. Is there any site, similar to Lat-G or PT.com for the Ford guys? Not that I want to promote a different site, but it seems that so few Mustang projects are posted here, and I have to believe that there is a similar contingent of Ford guys as these sites seem to be mostly GM based...

FETorino 06-17-2012 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 420138)
I'm curious, with all of this talk on a Mustang project. Is there any site, similar to Lat-G or PT.com for the Ford guys? Not that I want to promote a different site, but it seems that so few Mustang projects are posted here, and I have to believe that there is a similar contingent of Ford guys as these sites seem to be mostly GM based...
HELLO, I'm right here a Ford guy. Mustangs aren't the only Fords you know.:lol:



Matt I think you should sell those seats to help finance your subframe.

carbuff 06-17-2012 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420139)
HELLO, I'm right here a Ford guy. Mustangs aren't the only Fords you know.:lol:
Yeah yeah, I know there are one or two of you here... ;) But you have to admit these sites are predominately GM based. I've never built a Mustang (or any other Ford except for my father's old street rods), but I'm thinking I might have an interest in one some day!

FETorino 06-17-2012 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 420141)
Yeah yeah, I know there are one or two of you here... ;) But you have to admit these sites are predominately GM based. I've never built a Mustang (or any other Ford except for my father's old street rods), but I'm thinking I might have an interest in one some day!
Yep just like when I was a kid and would go into super shops and the majority of the stuff was for a SBC. It's just the way it is. There are plenty of Ford sites devoted to engine building, drag racing and restoring cars but nothing PT specific that I know of.

When you say GM you mean LS don't you? Even your Pontiac doesn't have Pontiac power. Some of the Ford on here aren't Fords they have LS power.

Anyway when you pick that Ford someone here will know where to get the info you ned to build it.:D

carbuff 06-17-2012 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420143)
When you say GM you mean LS don't you? Even your Pontiac doesn't have Pontiac power. Some of the Ford on here aren't Fords they have LS power.
Not yet, but that is still the plan. It's still running the Pontiac 400 for now (and I just tuned it up last weekend since I still don't have a place to start the teardown yet!).

There are a few guys holding down the fort with some SBC and BBC power still. But yes, it's an LS-world in the majority I think. And I have 600HP of LS-goodness waiting to be installed!!! :woot:

FETorino 06-17-2012 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 420145)
Not yet, but that is still the plan. It's still running the Pontiac 400 for now (and I just tuned it up last weekend since I still don't have a place to start the teardown yet!).

There are a few guys holding down the fort with some SBC and BBC power still. But yes, it's an LS-world in the majority I think. And I have 600HP of LS-goodness waiting to be installed!!! :woot:
Hmm the pictures in your link the red car has a SBC in it. You know 600hp out of a Pontiac is pretty easy to do these days.:D

56pickup 06-17-2012 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420139)
HELLO, I'm right here a Ford guy. Mustangs aren't the only Fords you know.:lol:



I am also a die hard Ford guy! :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS 06-17-2012 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420147)
Hmm the pictures in your link the red car has a SBC in it. You know 600hp out of a Pontiac is pretty easy to do these days.:D
Besides, 600 hp out of a Pontiac would be more fun than 600 from an LS.

Matt

carbuff 06-17-2012 08:44 PM
Hmm, I need to update my link then. Yep, the red car had an SBC, but I've since sold that car and the engine (separately, the engine went to a friend building a hot rod), and have purchased the blue one in my avatar. It is a Formula with (currently) a Pontiac 400. :)

Since I haven't built an LS car yet, I'm definitely going that route. But I definitely appreciate the potential those 'other' engines have...

And Matt, sorry about the hijack. ;)

cencalc6 06-17-2012 09:12 PM
Nice Looking Build Matt! :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 06-17-2012 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420126)
About DSE:

Pricing should be up in the next week or two, everything should be ready to ship sometime in July. If it does come out to 6 or 7k with remote canister shocks, that is about what I budgeted. Damn Ron, we could still buy a Fox body.
No can do Sir :D. 68 - 70 Fastback. Go big or go home...:cheers:

Musclerodz 06-17-2012 10:05 PM
based upon what I know about pricing on the new sub, pricing is similar to Chevy II sub. Expect just under $7500 retail on bare sub with canister shocks. Actual pricing is being released at Columbus. You know you want to go DSE.:yes:

Matt@BOS 06-17-2012 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 420165)
No can do Sir :D. 68 - 70 Fastback. Go big or go home...:cheers:
Yep, that money could probably get us a vin and a roof!

Mike, I do want to go DSE! I think Kyle and Stacy would like me to go DSE, and I'm sure Dick would be happy if I ordered all those parts too :lol:

Here's the latest photo of my handy work. It's amazing what some Fibral and a skim coat of filler can do.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...A/IMAG0524.jpg

Matt

FETorino 06-18-2012 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420172)
Yep, that money could probably get us a vin and a roof!


Matt
I know a guy who will give you some $$ for some seats to get you and Ron closer to that 70 fastback goal. :lol:

Matt@BOS 06-18-2012 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420197)
I know a guy who will give you some $$ for some seats to get you and Ron closer to that 70 fastback goal. :lol:
You kidding, I should be able to straight up buy a '70 fastback for those seats :lol:

It's not too late to buy the drivetrain from the Ford GT though, the owner only wanted 15k for it complete, from dry sump to Ricardo transaxle. Just get rid of your back seat. I'm sure the guys at the Roadster shop can make it work. You should do it. You would be my hero.

Matt

Ron in SoCal 06-18-2012 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420249)
It's not too late to buy the drivetrain from the Ford GT though, the owner only wanted 15k for it complete, from dry sump to Ricardo transaxle. Just get rid of your back seat. I'm sure the guys at the Roadster shop can make it work. You should do it. You would be my hero.

Matt
x2! Go Rob, Go...:thumbsup:

Rick D 06-18-2012 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 420250)
x2! Go Rob, Go...:thumbsup:
X3 Rob, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :woot:

FETorino 06-18-2012 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 420250)
x2! Go Rob, Go...:thumbsup:
Nope I want my seats from the future and my motors from the past.

My little retro mil will have more hp and weight less than that supercharged mod motor.:D

I'm going to see if I can find some money to put that GT drivetrain in a 1st gen. Now that would be cool.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420249)
You kidding, I should be able to straight up buy a '70 fastback for those seats :lol:


Matt
Ok now that your warm to the idea of selling them let's talk price :unibrow:

Flash68 06-18-2012 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 420249)
You kidding, I should be able to straight up buy a '70 fastback for those seats :lol:

It's not too late to buy the drivetrain from the Ford GT though, the owner only wanted 15k for it complete, from dry sump to Ricardo transaxle. Just get rid of your back seat. I'm sure the guys at the Roadster shop can make it work. You should do it. You would be my hero.

Matt
:thumbsup: Come on Rob.... be the real Rob in So Cal and be all that you can and should be. :D

FETorino 06-18-2012 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 420306)
:thumbsup: Come on Rob.... be the real Rob in So Cal and be all that you can and should be. :D
I'll buy the drivetrain if you put it in your Camaro.:thumbsup:

Flash68 06-18-2012 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 420308)
I'll buy the drivetrain if you put it in your Camaro.:thumbsup:
Done! I'd put a SB2 in a Pantera... I don't see much of a difference. :D

Matt@BOS 06-22-2012 06:38 PM
Got some work done on the passenger side quarter. I'm definitely going to have to do the driver side one this way too :lol:

After my first attempt I learned that it would be much easier to fit if I kept all of the edges of the original panel in place. Pulling and stretching the face of the panel while also trying to keep the edges in place before spot welding wasn't the greatest idea. I guess you could say I was asking that quarter skin to do too many things at once. This time around I made sure to give my self a reasonable amount of overlap that I could probably trim away later if need be.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...A/IMAG0534.jpg

The first problem I ran into was getting the wheel opening to line up and have the right curvature. Two things that weren't good happened. One, I found out that pulling everything out just increased the radius and upset the arc of the wheel opening to the point where nothing lined up. Second, the '65's quarters are pretty straight up and down, and moving the the upper section of the wheel arch out was not pretty. Essentially, it just swiveled up, and started to look concave. You can see in the picture below that the sides stick out more than the top. I managed to fix this by relief cutting the inner lip, and massaging things until I got the shape I wanted. I also slid the middle piece of the quarter down to close some of the gap that I'd created.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...A/IMAG0540.jpg

With the added width of the new quarter I've got room for brake ducts, or diff and trans coolers, or something...

[IMG]http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA
/IMAG0542.jpg[/IMG]

Finally it is starting take on a little more shape. It is taking on more of a '69 Camaro side profile, and I don't think that's a bad thing :unibrow:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...A/IMAG0548.jpg

Matt

coolwelder62 06-22-2012 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 419643)
Hey guys, thanks for all of the positive feedback! Pictures don't even begin to cover the amount of time I've spend working on this thing. At first I think at least half of my time was spent just looking at things and trying to figure out how to approach each different area of the car. I was really cautious (at least I thought I was) about trying to get things to fit, without any real knowledge of how to accomplish what I wanted. They guys at the shop, have been incredibly helpful taking the time to show me techniques, but just like anything else, you generally aren't good at something the first time you try it. Dealing with that bent up quarter doesn't bother me in the least. The fenders and doors really tested my patience though. I had to completely remake those at least once, and have made so many cuts to remove high and low spots that it felt like a never ending process. That for me has been the hard part. Now that it is starting to resemble something I felt more comfortable sharing with everyone.

Since I'm going to start working on the quarters soon I figure that I need to be thinking about packaging the rear suspension. Tom, I know I talked with you about running an '04 Cobra IRS. I kicked that idea around for a few months, but I don't like the really wide track width associated with it. The rear wheels would have almost zero back space, and that would mean I would need the fronts to match. Not really sure I want to do that.

I've been looking at Mike Maier's setup and it really isn't bad for the price. right now, I think that might be what I'm leaning towards. It also looks cool, and I want this car to have an equal emphasis on looking cool and going fast.

DSE will be shipping their Mustang stuff within next month or so, and I would also love to have some of their parts on this car. Their suspension also allows you to put a Coyote motor in the engine bay. They even offer an option for LS engine mounts. I don't have a Coyote motor right now, but I do have an LS2 :_paranoid I've also collected a TR6060 that is practically brand new, and still have my old T56 which needs to be rebuilt. Hopefully some combination of those parts will work.

This evening there are a few more comments I'd like to get back to, and a few more pictures to post up!

Matt
Matt,I like the Idea of an LS power in a ford chassis.It's kinda like givin Cindy Crawford a new Boob job.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


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