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The Turbine Wheel Is A Nelson Special.thats About All I Can Say.sorry Don't Me To Be A Ass But That Took Some Time To Fiqure Out.

No problem Tom. Knowledge like that is what puts food on your
plate and toys in your garage, and I can understand that totally.

Nice power! I read pump gas, but I see 32 degrees of timing at 29 psi. Can you go into a little detail? That seems high on C16, and I read pump gas.

the more i read about you the more i am considering sending you my v6

Marty -
I would highly recommend sending Tom your V6. You will be happy you did. Tom makes "good" power, meaning high and long term.

yep it looks like i will be calling him and telling him what i've got

:hail: :hail:

that is ridiculous, what would it cost do duplicate(have you build one for me)?

Actually ridiculous isn't the right word - Awesome would be the word i would choose.

Ooh ooh this could be fun, lets take guesses on the build tally.

I'll say total motor, turbo kit, excluding efi and tuning. $27k

I'm assuming hot side is done in mild steel and off the shelf internals.

i have 25 into my little v6

I'm sure i'm on the low side but it doesn't seem like a wild build.

My breakdown:

$4k in turbos
$2.5k for the hotside and WG's (Mild steel) Add $2500 for stainless
$2k A/A Intercooler and cold side tubing
$3k for the sheetmetal manifold and t/b.
$9500 short block. Figure a nice block, bowtie/little M, forged crank, H beam rods (crower, maybe oliver), forged pistons (je/cp), timing chain, cam, hydro rollers, machine work, etc.
$5k for normal heads. Complete set of heads. Not counting port work, if any.
$1-2k for misc small stuff, valve covers, oil pan, etc.


It very well could be nearly double my guess, but not knowing what it's built with, kinda hard to say.

25k in a V6, my god man what are you building? Is that including some custom turbo stuff or just long block? thats SB2.2 territory.

Yep it's a twin turbo v6, shooting for around 800hp on pump gas.

Trust me this is the last v6 i will ever build. Everything is custom. The crank was $2800.00 and it took almost 6 months to get direct from Crower. The intake was about the same from Hogan / RPM. Yep building a little motor costs more then a v8 because there just aren't that many stupid people like me doing this. My goal was to be different not broke but in the end i am going to be different and broke.

here is the link to the truck.

www.syborgtwinturbo.com

There are many words that come to mind when looking at thing of beauty like this. That's a sweet build you got going there :thumbsup:

I'm curious about build cost so I can plan for my engine, haven't decided what I am going to do for sure yet, I'm considering big inch rat or a turbo small block.

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The Motor Was Run On 91 Octane From Arco At 1025 Hp And Ran 109 Unleaded At 29 Psi Not A Hint Of Detonation Even When We Got It Lean At The End Of The High Boost Pulls.

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To Duplicate This Motor Costs 30.000 Thats With 321 Stainless Hedders Intercooler,management,dynoed And Out The Door.some Parts Used Are A Lunati Crank,je Pistons,cnc Ported Brodies With Inconel Valves,sheet Intake,cranktrigger Ignition You Get The Idea Good Stuff Thanks For Your Good Words Tom

Syborg I was just looking at your site earlier today and was checking out the crank. I figured it had to be custom I have never seen a crank with offset rod journals before I guess that strokes the motor.

If you will... how about a small education on timing. I am curious, if you had used an AFR head would your timing be lower for the same HP numbers or what do you contribute it to? I am assuming 0 decked and dish piston.

That is a great looking layout for the twins!

Actually that is how all even fire v6 cranks are. This allows them to run without vibrating you to death like a Harley on Steriods

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The Two Ways Of Doing It Some People Like Small Timing Numbers And Less Fuel And Some Like More Timing And More Fuel Whatever Makes The Most On The Pump.every Motor Is Different You Never Really No.

And it idles, too.
 

The other thing Tom didn't mention is that the engine will idle in gear at 700 rpm with 12-15 inches of vacuum. It makes all its power under 6,000 rpm. In the biggest pump-gas trim, it made more than 900 lb-ft from 3800 rpm all the way through 6000 rpm. In a lower tuneup for race gas, it made over 1,000 lb-ft from 3800-up.

Thing is, this is only a 406. Nelson regrets that we didn't just go 427, plus use his new intake and spread-exhaust-port heads. I think our 406 would go 1,550 hp with the right injectors. The 427 combo could be 1,650.

DF

DF, what transmission are you going to run?

David, glad to see you stop lurking and make a post. :thumbsup: Welcome aboard. I can't wait to see what this thing lays down at drag week.

So tell us more about the car / rod that this is going into

It's going in F-Bomb, an early 2nd Gen Camaro. There's a picture of it on page 35 of this month's issue of Hot Rod. I don't have it handy so I don't recall if the blurb mentions anything particular about the car.

That is just incredible power, and a nicely assembled combination. God really is in the details.

The car is a '73 Camaro, and is not Pro Touring or G-Machine or whatever. Just a plain, truly drivable, legit street car and somewhat of a sleeper. We were going to go with a pure vintage Trans Am look (like, SCCA Trans Am, not Pontiac), but it was important to Nelson that it run 8s in the quarter, and a handling setup with a six-speed wasn't gonna do that well.

So, the look is stock. No cowl hood, no deck spoiler, no air dam, no stripes, and not even an RS package. It'll probably have steel wheels and column shift and stock seats. It will have power steering and brakes but no air. Trans likely a TH400 with a Gear Vendors, or perhaps a 4l80E. Dana 60 rear with 3.54:1. The suspension will be mostly stock and streetable--neither full-on handling nor full-on drag. Minitub with leaf and Caltracs bars, near-stock front end with swaybar, four-wheel discs that fit behind 15s.

Biggest problem is color. Tell me what to do! Options so far:
- Stock Rally Green with black interior
- Black with black interior
- Black with red interior
- Silver with red interior
- Hugger orange with black interior

Ideas?

DF

put one vote down for black/black, always been my fav. color combo. maybe even do the house of kolor flattening agent in the clear to give it that primer look.

Nelson will love you for voting black. But would you want to take care of a black car every day?

A guy on hotrod.com just suggested sleeper beige.

BRG has also been suggested.
DF

Black on Black :thumbsup:

Silver with red interior would be my first choice, followed up by hugger orange.

I love looking at black cars, but they aren't any fun to keep looking nice. Sorry Tom! :D

Oh yeah, and are you sure you don't want to run a 1 piece rear spoiler? I think they look great on those cars and are subtle.

I think running the one piece rear spoiler is a great idea Scott. But David, just primer it and leave it be. That's the beauty of a sleeper. It looks cheap, but kills what goes after it. Now, being that it's running all this power, are you gonna stiffen up that chassis any? I've seen 2nd gens twisted with a ton less power. That's not any fun at all.

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You No My Vote B/b Ha Ha

Great to see you posting David! This about the only spot on Earth where I could edit your writing rather than the other way around.. lol

I vote for Rally Green. Black sucks to take care of and with no AC just soaks up the heat from the sun. Silver is nice but it's so darn common and the same is true of Hugger. You just don't see that many done in Rally Green and it's such a nice looking yet low-key color.

Ralley Green = Sleeper

I can't say the same about the other colors.

Again, welcome to the site

<--- Steven from Popular Hot Rodding

Can you tell us anymore details or are those classified :rolleyes:

I would love to know what specifics on the turbos and the build up of the engine :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Either way that engine looks insanly nice :hail: :hail:

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Imagine It This Color But Just Like You Said Dave Without Cowl,rs,etc..scott Did This Paint Job.

That car looks bad ass. Get some updated wheels on it and it would be perfect.

F-Bomb
 

Hard to say from my end on the color. No air makes me think something very light as in a non-tinted white and put a red interior. I can only imagine the heat off of that motor. I would think the rear spoiler like in the above photo would be needed for the small amount of down force on a car that fast...front one too. Those cars get pretty light above 120 mph.

An idea that I like from 21st Century Street Machines is incorporate the roll cage as part of the structure so you cannot see it...since you are going for the sleeper look. IE. run the halo bar as close to the roof as you can. The bars that come down the windshield pilar, weld a filler plate from the bar to the pilar.

Scott if you are reading this post up a pic of Conrad's 69 with this done.

Here you go, Payton:

https://lateral-g.net/conrade/18.jpg

If your goal is to truly make a street sleeper then you should stick with that theme throughout the entire build. If you go black or some other color people will assume that it is a modified car.

If you keep the stock Rally Green then people may and will assume it's a survivor car and not a modified car. If your not sure that you want to keep the Rally Green theme then tint the Green a little Darker to make it look just a little different and make people wonder.

So if you goal is not to stand out in a crowd then stick to your guns and keep it stealth.

Scott -
Thanks for the pic of this rollcage installation.
I ripped my old one out (an 8 point steel bar) and replacing it with a 10 point chrome moly cage and this is exactly the way I wanted to fit it, so thanks. If you have a couple of other shots, please tell me where and I will snag them for the chassis shop. Thanks again.