No comparison there. A crossbolted sideoiler block is a way better piece. Better add a steel crank for the road race use.

Yeah, weight of the steel crank adds to the rotating mass, so I am not sure on this one. Wish I didn't have to fix the roof this year, and my budget was better ;)

Okay a bit of a decision was made on the engine, last week.

I killed the idea of getting a used sideoiler or topoiler block.

Probably going to be this Shelby block;
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/010...ock_medium.png

or

this Pond aluminum block;

http://www.robertpondmotorsports.com...HC-block-1.jpg

Plan is to go .040+ making the cubic inches about 487.

First I was going to go 482 but that's a common FE stroker size. Then I was thinking 489, which is + .050, and call it an 8 litre. BUT the 7 Litre was a 428 designation.

The Pond block will go a max of 4.310 so a +080 over. I figure If it ever needs a rebuild I can go custom pistons in +.010 steps and still have 4 small overbores, left in the block before a resleeve.

Plus 487 sounds nice... different.

Then this build theme, starting with the engine, will continue along the lines of the (one only) 1967 Shelby Super Snake, which was tested on Goodyear's Texas test facility, at a reported speed of +170 mph using a light-weight 427 high riser engine.

This engine featured a remote oil filter and oil cooler. We will see if those features make an appearance on the upcoming engine. I like the KISS philosophy for reliability, less things to break or go wrong. ;)

There were a reported, unknown number (likely less than 50) of specially built 1967 Shelbys made with the 427 medium riser engine, shipped to select dealers and customers.

Using an aftermarket aluminum block the front end will get a 75# diet which should be good for the road course.

The bad part is it's a big budget impact, so may take a while longer to put together

One of those blocks looks familiar.:D

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...block005-1.jpg

The Pond block is

Cheaper
Lighter
Looks like an original sideoiler
Is strong enough to support 1000hp

Nothing wrong with the Shelby block if you can find a deal on one but if buying new I don't see the value for the extra $$$$$.

Quite the eye candy.
How are you going to finish your block? Paint? Leave it aluminum?

It will be on the dyno on Nov 9th. I'll snap some pictures of the final finish for sure when we load it in the truck the previous tues. :D

No matter what the finish the underside will have the most bling.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ca/dailey2.jpg

Go aluminum block, getting that weight off the nose will off will help the car. What do I know though, I'm the guys everyone is worried about putting an LS in a fastback.

This thread just got a lot juicier. :unibrow:

I'm not worried. you'll do the right thing.:thumbsup:

Now let's talk Doug into spending all his extra $$ on this motor.

Rob, he is a car guy and the way I see it, the car is going to get what it wants. If the money is already sitting in the bank, as gear heads all we get to do is decide how long we want to hold on to it for. If we're saving up for parts then we have a little pile of money we get to watch grow for a while until one day the wife/gf finds it and steals it, or it goes poof when parts get ordered.

Matt

I don't know Matt, did you see this pic of him after his wife looked behind the TV? :rofl:

hahaha, smart alec :rofl: :rofl:

I only looked like 1/2 a pizza there :D


Anyhow... I worked the exhaust ports, mostly working on the bowls, on one head.

Started preliminary polishing.

I'm fairly happy, with how they are shaping up.

Okay, the decision has been made.

The Robert Pond, aluminum side oiler block is being ordered through Brent, at B2 Motorsports.
I've dealt with Brent before, on the TKO for my mustang. He really knows his stuff, and is always available to answer questions.

The engine planned is a 4.25 stroker x 4.270 bore, which is +.037 over for a 427.

The pistons will be Diamond, instead of Mahle, as they are available in the 4.270 bore.

That gets me to the target 489 cu

Stepping up your game. Is Brent doing the machine work on the block?

Do you want me to add you to DG and my dyno shootout?:unibrow:

Yeah Brent is going to do the shortblock for me. If I was closer, I might ship everything to him, but we'll see how that goes, as we get further down the road.

Oh yeah, please add me to the dyno shootout, you're going to have to wait a good long while, maybe late spring early summer, for my results. I don't think Brent has a good way of dynoing the shortblock, unless he can spin the crank real fast with a torque wrench.

While I port the heads, I'm putting this picture of the king cobra Torino on my wall, in the garage, for inspiration ;)

http://documents.clubexpress.com/clu...1695741309.jpg

Exhaust are pretty much where I want them. Size wise I cannot go much bigger, based on the header opening, but I did radius the roof a little, incorporating a turn down, in the head itself.



Next I am revisiting the combustion chambers

A chunk of aluminum arrived.

Nothing like being able to lift your sideoiler block over your head.:D
It looks like Robert changed some of the casting around the lifter bores.

Did you order your crank yet?

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...nca/tpswap.jpg

Hmmm, yeah appears so, but I haven't had the luxury of seeing many Pond blocks.

Thos intake ports of yours look "holy cow massive!" :D

I did not order any of the rotating assembly yet. Probably in a month or two, depending on how things go.

4.375 steel stroke and Crower rods don't skimp:D


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...rjinca/tp1.jpg

I am getting jealous :D
What are your valve sizes in your Ebrock head?
What solid cam did you use?

Right now I am at the stock edelbrock head valve size. The cam selection (the most important part) has not been finalized yet, but have some ideas on what I want to do.

It will be a hydraulic roller, I had not considered larger valves, but am not sure that is necessary for an engine that will spend most of it's life under 5500 rpm.

As it progresses, I will post more.

Here's one Brent did for another European customer. Certainly discussions will revolve around that package.

630 lb ft FE stroker

Pretty nice, by my books

Not too much happening, I still am dealing with this annoying year, health wise.
Now I have a flu to deal with... sheesh. My wife suggested maybe she should just put me out of my misery :_paranoid
I'm thinking, it's good I don't have a massive life insurance policy :wow: :wow:

Back to the engine. Pressure test came back good. Started talking to Brent a bit about the upcoming build. Nice thing is, he knows that I throw it around corners, and have a tendency to wound old engines.

So I have also been doing a little more research on the 67 Shelby Super Snake

Some of the things which made an appearance on that car were;
Underrider traction bars, and Koni shocks
http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/i..._500_544_b.JPG

A remote oil filter and oil cooler;
http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/i..._500_544_w.JPG
http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/i..._500_544_z.jpg
Decent sized lines and fittings

Deeper oil pan
http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/i..._500_544_f.JPG

And LIGHTWEIGHT engine :D
http://www.nvsaac.com/photogallery/i...500_544_Zn.JPG

Wow, a month, since I updated.

Looks like the flu is history, but the delay put me in the middle of Christmas, so family stuff took priority.

I did try a few times to get grinding on the other head.
For some reason on the second head my cutters kept clogging up. I was doing everything exactly the same.
Finally after four more cutter heads, I googled "head porting for dummies" and got the tips I needed for keeping the cutters cool.

Had a good run on head grinding tonight, and everything went okay.

Starting to get in the working on the car mood, again.

So I was looking for another wheel, that I want to get for my car.

I was thinking about 18" wheels, because it might allow me to run a deeper backspacing on the front, clearing the upper control arms -tie rod ends, and a wider tire.

Off the shelf wheels do not have enough backspace to work on my car.
Most cobra wheels are max 17" diameter

I found these;
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/wheels/...td5_15inch.jpg

Almost exactly what I am looking for, vintage but modern twist and chrome to satisfy the girls (daughter and wife)
Made in England, will do custom backspacing etc. 18" dia avail.

Expensive, but sounded good.
Checked the reviews, and bad news. Seem like the customer service is not the bbest and a few guys report wheels shipped with incorrect backspacing.

Oh well back to the drawing board

I liked seeing that invoice. What a slice of ultra rare musclecar history the Super Snake is.:cool:

Have you thought about posting that wheel you have to take a pass on... in the wheel/tire section of lat-g?

Perhaps someone here knows of a quality alternative.

Bummer about those wheels. They would have looked right at home on your car. There's got to be another company out there making something similar.

You can get a quality wheel that looks like that but it will cost you.

http://www.forgeline.com/products/gr...large=1&asdf=0

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps581418a1.jpg

Rob, Who makes that induction system for FE? That would look good on my FE Pickup project. (Dual Quad Tunnel Wedge now)

That stuff for you regular wedge head guys is everywhere.

It would look cool and run great but I don't know about the price. :willy:

Then again one for a TP is unobtainium:unibrow:

http://www.eightstack.com/427%20428%20FE%20Systems.html

http://www.borlainduction.com/v8_kits/427.html

http://www.compperformancegroupstore...htStackSystems

Yeah I want one of those MPI's or webbers, BUT not convinced they are easy to tune and to keep them set up properly.

No doubt, they make the engine look like a work of art.

The one pictured is EFI so tuning should not be an issue.

Rob, thanks for the link. Just build one for that TP version! Unobtanium for sure

The engine combo they tested is very very close to mine!

482" 427 with CNC'd Edel Heads etc I may inquire. I do like my Tunnel Wedge with QFT Carbs but that looks awesome!

Here you go;



Although according to Barry the owner had some control box issues and has replaced the electronics once.

Still badass looking


More MPEFI


http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/fe-t...dyno-week.html

Webbers;



This is NOT on the above engine,
however is an indication of the carnage that can happen with the instant throttle response of a webber-ized engine;

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/fe-t...-broken-4.html
.
.
.

Okay, I have come up with an idea.
Maybe some of the fabricators can chime in.

Whether it was the two glasses of wine before I went to bed, or something hit me on the head, I don't know, but anyway here it is;

I don't know if it is do-able, but am proceeding with the idea anyway, and we'll see what happens.

I have a 13 year old nephew who has Muscular Dystrophy.
I had thought - Wouldn't it be cool if he could ride around the race track with me in my car?

Okay so what would I need to make that possible?

Unfortunately MD makes the muscles weaker and weaker, year by year, so he is in a state now, where his arms and neck muscles are getting pretty weak also.

So using a wheelchair, such as this as a model;
http://www.mobilityaids.in/images/pr...wheelchair.jpg

What I think I could do, is construct a complete chair, that would bolt in, in-place of the existing passenger seat, with the appropriate body supports.

It would definitely need a horseshoe type cushion, around the head, to support the head position, and then a tether to the helmet, to prevent too much fore and aft movement.

I'm thinking of a cushioned version of a merge between the nascar type seat and the wheelchair show above.

Simply using the existing mustang seat bolt pattern as a mount. I think this is doable.

Now this is not a go, just yet.

First I am not a seat fabricator, so I might need some design help, and then find a local fabricator who will do this.

Second I have to get his (divorced - strained relationship) parent's approval
- I decided I am not going to let any ex spousal animosity bother me

Third, my nephew would have to want to do this - But I want it to be a surprise. I think he would like this ;)

Fourth Doctor or physiotherpist approval (I am not planning any high G turns)

The hopefully get the engine together, and get the seat constructed, and get track approval etc.

Yeah a ride on the street would be nice too, but I think a careful roar around the track would be that much more fun, for him.

So what do you guys think, before I embark on this mission?

Sounds like a worthwhile endevour. What about a full containment road race seat, hans devices and 5 point harness.

http://www.kirkeyracing.com/index.ph...&code=Series45

Ripped that is awesome that you want to do this for your nephew. Sounds like your a great uncle.

I did a little research trying to see if there was anything out there. I couldn't find anything. But i did find a great article that may help you a little

Life in the Fast Lane

http://alsn.mda.org/article/life-fast-lane

Seating Goals

http://www.mdas.org.sg/index.php?opt...id=7&Itemid=25


I'll make you a deal if you start this project i will be happy to donate a few hundred dollars to help you get it started.

I will try to talk with one of my chassis fab guy that build track cars & drag cars and see if he has any advise.

Thanks Rob :) , that looks like a good design.

Thanks for the links, it makes me realize that it is possible.
And wow I'm flabbergasted, Marty.
I am going to check around and see if anyone local does this kind of fabrication too.

I'm going to talk to his dad, this week, and see what he says. I know that he has a surgery scheduled to relieve some muscle issues, in his legs, pretty soon. Once I have the approval and timing, from that point I can sort of get things rolling along.

These were a couple pics I found, from this summer

http://sunpeaksnews.com/wp-content/u...wn-140x140.jpg

http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/apps/pbcs...ef=AR&maxw=288

It's going to be a challenge to try and keep this as a surprise.

I guess I am thinking back to when I was very young, and got a ride in my late uncle's red Super Bee, with the Hurst shifter. It was so cool! I hope that he might find it just as much fun.

I talked to my chassis guy and he said it wouldn't be hard all you need is the right stuff. Correct Helmet with clips to help with movement. Same thing on arms (if needed).

The other suggestion is to make the back adjustable so as he grows you can adjust it up to fit him.

Keep us posted on the car and te seat project.

Count me in too, I'd be happy to help... :thumbsup: