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GregWeld 11-07-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65 (Post 445103)
Come on Curtis, Blake just wants to get away from the moose, mosquitos and bad head gear they make him wear .... let him in man !

:lol:

Jim



I think it's great that he's moving his business here! He'll pay rent to someone that will pay income taxes. He'll pay taxes. He'll employ people that will also pay taxes. He'll buy "stuff" that supports him personally and "stuff" for his business... THAT is how the world goes 'round...

As a businessman - he has a "right" to be worried about that business environment regardless of his nationality. He's running a business not a popularity contest. Taxes - the business clement - the economy and where it's going - are all worries regardless of where you're doing that business. Blake is making a MAJOR investment to move his business here. He'll also make a major investment in housing choices etc. That's a boost for OUR economy. I hope it works out for him and all his employees!:cheers:

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65 (Post 445103)
Come on Curtis, Blake just wants to get away from the moose, mosquitos and bad head gear they make him wear .... let him in man !

:lol:

Jim

I have no problem with anyone coming to the the USA to create a better life. Note the use of 'create'. Blake, Rodger, Jay and the entire Speedtech crew are very hard working and respectable people. They have big hearts, care about the community and are giving on many levels. That is why they are my friends and that is the exact type of person I want to see move the the US and become apart of it.

People come to the United States for all kinds of reasons. Some stay only a few years, others a life time. There is much to offer here. If you come to the good ol US of A and plan to stay...become a one of us. If not, then don't stand around and tell me what I should or should not be doing or thankful for.

Radlark 11-07-2012 08:49 AM

I didn't know this board could be so political......this thread is VERY diverse and it makes me chuckle, sigh and go hmmm all at the same time.....

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 445105)
I think it's great that he's moving his business here! He'll pay rent to someone that will pay income taxes. He'll pay taxes. He'll employ people that will also pay taxes. He'll buy "stuff" that supports him personally and "stuff" for his business... THAT is how the world goes 'round...

As a businessman - he has a "right" to be worried about that business environment regardless of his nationality. He's running a business not a popularity contest. Taxes - the business clement - the economy and where it's going - are all worries regardless of where you're doing that business. Blake is making a MAJOR investment to move his business here. He'll also make a major investment in housing choices etc. That's a boost for OUR economy. I hope it works out for him and all his employees!:cheers:

Greg,

You are 100% correct. I have supported Blake time and time again and I will continue to do so. I want to see him successful. However that does not give him or any other foreigner the right to tell me how 'good or bad' my country or way of life is. It's all a matter of perspective. We as American could be thinking that things totally suck, while someone from someplace else is thinking it's not to bad. I hear people in foreign countries saying that the U.S. should do this or that. What gives anyone that right to weigh in on something that they are not wiling to be become 100% of.

If you missed it....I am not saying this to just Blake. Again, he is my friend. I am saying this to anyone who wants to cut down or take cheap shots at my way of life had better be one of us. If not their opinion doesn't count.

Vegas69 11-07-2012 09:09 AM

It's water under the bridge folks, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it now. The people have spoken. I need to get to work to help pay my bills and a few others. Have a great day.:D

EBMC 11-07-2012 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by realcoray (Post 445092)
Yeah, screw you people who lost their job because the economy went south (in 2008, you know before 'Obummer' became president) and had to be on unemployment, and lost their house and now are on food stamps working part time jobs. Sorry that nearly complete destruction of our economy couldn't be undone as quickly as it was demolished!

Also, old people, it's time you stop being so greedy wanting things like health care, and 500$ a month to live off of that you were promised. If you just die already it'd be great for the deficit, and for my ability to buy an awesome gold plated speedboat!

The same goes for the parents sending their kids off to college who can now keep their kids on their health insurance. Your kid getting in a car accident without insurance is what we call JOB CREATION. Bill collectors, and bankruptcy attorneys, may end up on the streets unless you do your part!

Military families, I know you sacrifice a lot, you know risking your life through six or more tours of duty, including in a stupid ass war that the previous president started for no good reason, but really, retirement after 20 years? Time to stop getting a free ride off of the taxes I paid for my ferrari and get to work.

Let's have some perspective here people.


Listen, I very rarely get political, everyone is entitled to their opinion but my point is I honestly think the current administration makes it entirely too easy for people to collect handouts, I see people taking advantage of the disability system, welfare,unemployment and other govt. services constantly. Yes, of course there are people who honestly need these services and I feel for them, but cant stand the freeloaders who take advantage and use up the limited resources set aside for the people that really need them.The freeloaders had alot at stake to reelect this president so they can keep the gravy train coming.

OLDFLM 11-07-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by realcoray (Post 445092)
Yeah, screw you people who lost their job because the economy went south (in 2008, you know before 'Obummer' became president) and had to be on unemployment, and lost their house and now are on food stamps working part time jobs. Sorry that nearly complete destruction of our economy couldn't be undone as quickly as it was demolished!

Also, old people, it's time you stop being so greedy wanting things like health care, and 500$ a month to live off of that you were promised. If you just die already it'd be great for the deficit, and for my ability to buy an awesome gold plated speedboat!

The same goes for the parents sending their kids off to college who can now keep their kids on their health insurance. Your kid getting in a car accident without insurance is what we call JOB CREATION. Bill collectors, and bankruptcy attorneys, may end up on the streets unless you do your part!

Military families, I know you sacrifice a lot, you know risking your life through six or more tours of duty, including in a stupid ass war that the previous president started for no good reason, but really, retirement after 20 years? Time to stop getting a free ride off of the taxes I paid for my ferrari and get to work.

Let's have some perspective here people.

I served this great country in uniform for over 25 years and was forced to retire due to defense budget cuts put into place by the current office. My health care IS NOT free (as promised) and never has been, in fact it's about to more than double and be higher than my current company's civilian coverage!

When I raised my right hand (all seven times) and solemnly swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic & bear true faith and allegiance to the same; I also swore to obey the orders of the President of the United States, whether I voted for him or not... and so help me God, I defended your right to the freedom of speech so that you could spout your parroted rhetoric on here.

Much like the ignorance that's prevailed, I see your comments for what they truly are... incitable, not insightful. Please take your comments above and post them somewhere where they would be better received. You have that right... and you're welcome!

I'm a proud, retired veteran, and I approved this message!:patriot:

realcoray 11-07-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 445100)
Talk about needing some perspective! Who started the war in Afghanistan? Why are we there? Six or more tours? Really...who do you know that's done six tours?

Seriously I'd like to know where you're getting this information.

I wasn't commenting about the validity of the war in afghanistan, the reason we're still there now is because of that whole iraq war which is what I was referring to.

As far as where I get my information, let's see, first hand knowledge? My 'free loader' dad gets retirement from the military, and served in vietnam. My 'free loader' sister gets survivorship benefits from her husband who was killed in Iraq. Many of his fellow soldiers are in afghanistan again, which is like their third deployment there, after at least 2 in Iraq. I'm not as familliar with pre-2006 deployments, but you can bet that the stryker brigades weren't just sitting on the sidelines.

camcojb 11-07-2012 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65 (Post 445079)
His missing 'o' is back in the white house and it's all his fault for not keeping track of it ...

:lol:


What amazed me was the republican projection stats were so, so far off. Several of them were calling for a landslide victory for Romney. How in the world could they be that far off....

Jim

apparently the Pubs didn't show up to vote. ;) Obama was down 7 million votes as compared to 08, but the Pubs were down about 1.5 million. That was a surprise, as I thought the Pub side was quite energized to vote. I have no idea how they actually dropped over 2008.

camcojb 11-07-2012 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 445105)
I think it's great that he's moving his business here! He'll pay rent to someone that will pay income taxes. He'll pay taxes. He'll employ people that will also pay taxes. He'll buy "stuff" that supports him personally and "stuff" for his business... THAT is how the world goes 'round...

As a businessman - he has a "right" to be worried about that business environment regardless of his nationality. He's running a business not a popularity contest. Taxes - the business clement - the economy and where it's going - are all worries regardless of where you're doing that business. Blake is making a MAJOR investment to move his business here. He'll also make a major investment in housing choices etc. That's a boost for OUR economy. I hope it works out for him and all his employees!:cheers:

That's exactly right. I had no idea Blake was moving his business. Maybe I'll put in an application. :D Of course I don't think my wife "does" snow............... :lol:

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by realcoray (Post 445116)
I wasn't commenting about the validity of the war in afghanistan, the reason we're still there now is because of that whole iraq war which is what I was referring to.

As far as where I get my information, let's see, first hand knowledge? My 'free loader' dad gets retirement from the military, and served in vietnam. My 'free loader' sister gets survivorship benefits from her husband who was killed in Iraq. Many of his fellow soldiers are in afghanistan again, which is like their third deployment there, after at least 2 in Iraq. I'm not as familliar with pre-2006 deployments, but you can bet that the stryker brigades weren't just sitting on the sidelines.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but how is your father or sister a 'free loader'? That was paid for in blood and I am happy to fund those. I know A LOT of people who wear the uniform and very few of them have done more than four tours.

The restrictions put on our military by the current administration is prolonging the (current) war and putting our soldiers at greater risk. It would be easy to look back and slam Bush for the mistakes made with IRQ, but that won't move us in the right direction.

Radlark 11-07-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 445113)
It's water under the bridge folks, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it now. The people have spoken. I need to get to work to help pay my bills and a few others. Have a great day.:D

+1....

FreddieCougar 11-07-2012 09:26 AM

I play with cars as an escape, and Lat-G is part of that, this is the last place I want to have a discussion like this....I know it is a community, and we are all friends (well, most of us!) but do we have to pollute this place with political pissing contests? geez....

EBMC 11-07-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by realcoray (Post 445116)
I wasn't commenting about the validity of the war in afghanistan, the reason we're still there now is because of that whole iraq war which is what I was referring to.

As far as where I get my information, let's see, first hand knowledge? My 'free loader' dad gets retirement from the military, and served in vietnam. My 'free loader' sister gets survivorship benefits from her husband who was killed in Iraq. Many of his fellow soldiers are in afghanistan again, which is like their third deployment there, after at least 2 in Iraq. I'm not as familliar with pre-2006 deployments, but you can bet that the stryker brigades weren't just sitting on the sidelines.

I hope you dont think thats what my definition of a "free loader" is.

EBMC 11-07-2012 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FreddieCougar (Post 445123)
I play with cars as an escape, and Lat-G is part of that, this is the last place I want to have a discussion like this....I know it is a community, and we are all friends (well, most of us!) but do we have to pollute this place with political pissing contests? geez....

I'm done, back to work!:cheers:

Matt@BOS 11-07-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 445066)
I just hope Obama is smart enough to realize that he only got HALF the popular vote --- and that half the people in the USA DID NOT vote for him... and maybe he's smart enough to back away from the socialist Obama Phone anti anyone that's actually employed and making money stance.

I voted for him last time... because he ran on a moderate platform of bringing everyone together... well... that... and who could vote for McCain/Palin. But I've never seen a POTUS that's been more divisive and more anti 'success'.

Just my two cents, but I think Greg is on to something here when he said he was looking for someone moderate the last time around. I think people were still looking for someone moderate this time around. Historically that is what usually plays a big factor in deciding the winner. I wish we could have seen what would have happened if Romney ran on a moderate ticket that didn't veer so far back and forth trying to appease everyone. I think the Romney campaign spent a lot of time pandering to the social conservatives, probably to try and ease their fears of voting for a mormon, which was probably a gigantic waste of time considering how likely social conservatives were to vote for Obama in the first place. Romney's record isn't representative of what a lot of people (left and right) probably figured they would be getting after seeing all of the campaigning done by both parties. I think I'll just cut my ramblings short right there before.

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 445127)
Just my two cents, but I think Greg is on to something here when he said he was looking for someone moderate the last time around. I think people were still looking for someone moderate this time around. Historically that is what usually plays a big factor in deciding the winner. I wish we could have seen what would have happened if Romney ran on a moderate ticket that didn't veer so far back and forth trying to appease everyone. I think the Romney campaign spent a lot of time pandering to the social conservatives, probably to try and ease their fears of voting for a mormon, which was probably a gigantic waste of time considering how likely social conservatives were to vote for Obama in the first place. Romney's record isn't representative of what a lot of people (left and right) probably figured they would be getting after seeing all of the campaigning done by both parties. I think I'll just cut my ramblings short right there before.

Matt brings up a question that I truly and honestly don't understand and would appreciate someone explaining to me. What does Romney being a Mormon have anything to do with it? Personally I don't care about a persons religion, race or sexual preference. I respect that and that person, so long as they respect the same in return. Why is this such a big deal?

ccracin 11-07-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65 (Post 445079)

What amazed me was the republican projection stats were so, so far off. Several of them were calling for a landslide victory for Romney. How in the world could they be that far off....

Remember the old saying, "It can always be worse"? If they missed this so drastically do you really want this team moving on to bigger an better things? :lol:

As I mentioned to you earlier Jim, I don't think the players matter much right now. I think the game has to change. Washington is more about which party wins than taking care of the country. I feel so far removed from anyone in Washington I don't feel like things would be any better if the election would have went the other way.

We need a redo. Send the congress home, re-write the rules. Term limits, congress has to live by the same rules we all do. Health Insurance, Retirement, etc. etc. When the people running the country are the people better decisions will be made. Government has become too big and is now uncontrollable. The most important bunch that don't want to work for a living are in Washington! I see why so much money is spent to get there. It is the ultimate golden parachute. Why would any of them vote to change that.

I'm not sure how we fix this, but neither party has the solution from what I have seen. JMO..........

Back to Cars! :lateral: :cheers:

Sieg 11-07-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 445091)
Well, F*%@@*$ it I'm moving to the US!! i will let you know how bad it is.

We the people will support you buddy! Congratulations. :thumbsup:

Sieg 11-07-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 445098)
If you really think that is what's all about I will be over later to get some of your car parts you worked hard for to give them to the other guy who has not worked as hard as you have. It's called redistribution.

Sign me up for the Bubbletop please but only if it comes with insurance, maintenance, fuel and the cell phone I'm entitled to. :unibrow:

Ron in SoCal 11-07-2012 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ccracin (Post 445134)
The most important bunch that don't want to work for a living are in Washington! I see why so much money is spent to get there. It is the ultimate golden parachute. Why would any of them vote to change that.

So True. Our Founding Fathers called it the 'Minority of the Opulent,' which is the same theory under which the Electoral College was underwritten.

realcoray 11-07-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by EBMC (Post 445124)
I hope you dont think thats what my definition of a "free loader" is.

It was sure Mitt Romneys idea of a freeloader, someone who doesn't pay taxes but receives benefits.

Look, no hard working person, regardless of their beliefs that people should get a free ride. I pay taxes and I don't want to see it wasted, and I don't want to have people dependant on my money in the long term. In the short term though, when plants are being closed so the jobs go overseas, when companies do massive layoffs despite record profits, I'm more than willing to help out my fellow americans.

The thing is, I'm pragmatic about things, I evaluate all of the angles and I can certainly see why some people would prefer Romney based on how various things impact them or their beliefs.

Additionally, the reality is that regardless of who wins, very little actually changes, so let's not be all dramatic about the impact of the election.

Blake Foster 11-07-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 445097)
Yeah cause I want a bunch of foreigners who are moving to MY country to come here and tell me how good or bad MY country is.

Are you applying to become a U.S. Citizen? If not you have no vote and no say in how thing go or should go in MY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. If not you are one of a long line of people who want to come to here and reap the rewards of all MY country has to offer, but not really be apart of what makes it work.

Blake you have been a good friend for a long time. I'd like to keep it that way. Sign up and join us or stay off the U.S. political stage. You don't see me bashing Canada's government or way of life. I expect the same respect in return.

Wow. Buddy.
Actually your government Won't allow me to be a US citizen, they will Allow me to invest money start a business, pay taxes, Medicare, Social security, and all that WITH NO availbility to collect in the future, they mandate that we hire US citizens to manufacture products.
I have an opinion on who the President should be but don't think i have voiced it, as you are correct I have no say and will never have any say, and i'm ok with that.
Honestly if i really cared about the political landcsape i may have made a different descision, but that is not the reason for moving, it is to be closer to YOU!

Blake Foster 11-07-2012 10:34 AM

Perhaps my wording of "How Bad it is" came off wrong???? i was implying that it will be GOOD, or Better than my current situation.
i should have said.
I will let you knwo how GOOD it is................. i'm still moving Curtis!!
:cheers:

Sieg 11-07-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 445147)
Honestly if i really cared about the political landcsape i may have made a different descision, but that is not the reason for moving, it is to be closer to YOU!

:thumbsup:

realcoray 11-07-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 445128)
Matt brings up a question that I truly and honestly don't understand and would appreciate someone explaining to me. What does Romney being a Mormon have anything to do with it? Personally I don't care about a persons religion, race or sexual preference. I respect that and that person, so long as they respect the same in return. Why is this such a big deal?

I agree but to some people it was considered an issue. I mean it wasn't really that long ago when a Catholic in the white house was ground breaking, and we haven't had a jewish president.

I agree with Matt in that a moderate Mitt Romney could have won the election. He tried hard to swing towards the middle near the end but how is anyone supposed to believe someone who shifts so wildly?

Everyone agrees that politicians will say anything to be elected, but that doesn't mean that people will accept it and vote for you anyways. I can certainly see a lot of people voting for Obama simply because it's clearer what you will get than with Romney who has been all over the place.

Back before the last election I thought McCain was great, but then to try to get elected he had to do a lot of things that I don't think were him and I lost a lot of respect for him.

If as they say America is middle-right, who is going to win more and more elections, a party that is far right, or one that is middle-left?

ccracin 11-07-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 445145)
So True. Our Founding Fathers called it the 'Minority of the Opulent,' which is the same theory under which the Electoral College was underwritten.

Yep Ron, the quote is

"the primary function of government is to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority of the poor." - James Madison

I believe this was something he said during the Constitutional Convention. This pretty much to me is what Washington is doing. Both Parties. The majority truly has no say in who goes to Washington to represent us. We can only choose from those the parties tell us we can choose from. Very depressing.

This shows you the power of our hobby. While I'm in the garage cutting and hacking on metal, I can forget all about this!

OLDFLM 11-07-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 445148)
................. i'm still moving Curtis!!
:cheers:

Dang! Just when I was about to ask you if you needed a good HR Manager in Canada Blake! LOL

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 445148)
Perhaps my wording of "How Bad it is" came off wrong???? i was implying that it will be GOOD, or Better than my current situation.
i should have said.
I will let you knwo how GOOD it is................. i'm still moving Curtis!!
:cheers:

Well hurry the "F" up already. We need good people like you.

HAULNSS 11-07-2012 01:41 PM

“Once the monkeys learn they can vote themselves bananas, they’ll never climb another tree.”
― Robert Heinlein


“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
― Thomas Jefferson


“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
― Edward R. Murrow


“One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.”
― Plato


“The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
― Thomas Jefferson


“One thing is clear: The Founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens would pay nearly half of everything they earn to the government.”
― Ron Paul


“As government expands, liberty contracts.”
― Ronald Reagan


“The short memories of the American voters is what keeps our politicians in office.”
― Will Rogers



;)

Randy

SuperSport 11-07-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 445106)
If you come to the good ol US of A and plan to stay...become a one of us.

What is one of us?
This is America, the melting pot. The most diverse country in the world.

Do you mean become a U.S. citizen?

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSport (Post 445205)
What is one of us?
This is America, the melting pot. The most diverse country in the world.

Do you mean become a U.S. citizen?

Yes that what I meant.

onevoice 11-07-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by realcoray (Post 445146)
It was sure Mitt Romneys idea of a freeloader, someone who doesn't pay taxes but receives benefits.

This amount of ignorance is what made the election. Take a quote, bend it around to what no thinking person would believe, then make it a slogan and the sheeple will vote based on it.

I swear, most of the people in this country are too stupid to vote.

Bryan O 11-07-2012 03:02 PM

Big difference between citizen and American. Not the same thing. All are citizens. Not all are Americans.

preston 11-07-2012 03:15 PM

I'm on board with a previous comment - of course I've been disappointed by an election before, but this is the first time I felt physically sick.

with kids, my shop time STARTS at 9:00pm, so I poured a little bit more bourbon than usual and went outside and started shaping metal and tacking it in.

mad68rs 11-07-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Patch (Post 445211)
Big difference between citizen and American. Not the same thing. All are citizens. Not all are Americans.

I think I know what you mean by this. +1

Spiffav8 11-07-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Patch (Post 445211)
Big difference between citizen and American. Not the same thing. All are citizens. Not all are Americans.

Well put. I like it.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Blake Foster 11-07-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 445118)
That's exactly right. I had no idea Blake was moving his business. Maybe I'll put in an application. :D Of course I don't think my wife "does" snow............... :lol:

We will be looking for QUALIFIED employees.......................:thumbsup:
lmao sorry been a few late nights packing this week.

tones2SS 11-07-2012 04:59 PM

It's a sad, sad day for America.
4 more years of adding to the OVERWHELMING debt, giving money to the bloodsuckers/illegals, bowing down to dictators/kings and putting America on the back burner. I'm sick!

coolwelder62 11-07-2012 05:00 PM

I woke up this morning feeling so sick.I am no longer HUNGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!


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