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PTAddict 12-23-2012 03:01 PM

Mark,

How much torsional stiffness do you think gets lost with the fiber front clip vs. the steel? That outer/inner steel fender combo seems actually quite rigid when bolted together. I've been thinking about retrofitting my '69 with the Anvil parts, partly for the weight and partly for the extra tire afforded by the new wider front fender they offer. But I'm thinking I'd want to add some downbar/crossbrace type structure?

waynieZ 12-23-2012 04:04 PM

Another great build to watch. Subscribed!

WILWAXU 12-23-2012 04:24 PM

Another awesome car! Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:

Only problem I see with the tank being under there.. how do you put oil into it? Remove the fender?

tones2SS 12-23-2012 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankv11 (Post 453101)
another great car on its way:thumbsup:

^^You said it. I'll be watching this one as well.

Roberts68 12-23-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILWAXU (Post 453171)
Another awesome car! Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:

Only problem I see with the tank being under there.. how do you put oil into it? Remove the fender?

Surely an engineer like Mark can incorporate a remote fill and drain without too much trouble. Removing the fender does not sound very track savvy or user friendly.

Stielow 12-23-2012 05:34 PM

Anvil Fenders
 
I poached these pictures off another sight of Anvils new fenders I've ordered.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps5358abb3.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse58c7d1f.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps71f432e5.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psabec4784.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psda369ee1.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psf5df86b8.jpg

Anyone use these parts yet and have any idea on the mass savings over steel?

I hope my parts fit like these.

Mark

Stielow 12-23-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILWAXU (Post 453171)
Another awesome car! Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup:

Only problem I see with the tank being under there.. how do you put oil into it? Remove the fender?

Crap... I forgot that... :willy:

I'm going to make a filler neck that comes through the cowl along with a dip stick.

I hope to make those parts next week and post pictures.

Mark

nicks67ca 12-23-2012 05:59 PM

Hopefully everything is good now:thumbsup: Glad to see you're onto the next project.

Sales@Dutchboys 12-23-2012 06:17 PM

Looking good:thumbsup: the car is progressing very good it looks like. Looking forward to seeing the car all come together with the carbon front end. Should be pretty cool.

P.S did you still want me to get that sweet purple color paint we talked about coming?:lol:

redsand 12-23-2012 06:27 PM

Anvil front valance
 
Does anyone where to get the anvil front valance in the picture above? I don't see it on their website?

Stielow 12-23-2012 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DutchBoys (Post 453197)

P.S did you still want me to get that sweet purple color paint we talked about coming?:lol:

With the ghost flames???? :D

I'll call you when carbon parts show up.

Mark

WILWAXU 12-23-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 453188)
Crap... I forgot that... :willy:

I'm going to make a filler neck that comes through the cowl along with a dip stick.

I hope to make those parts next week and post pictures.

Mark

:thumbsup:

No trap door in the CF fender? :rofl:

Stielow 12-23-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsand (Post 453199)
Does anyone where to get the anvil front valance in the picture above? I don't see it on their website?

Call Anvil. None of these parts are on their web site yet.

Thanks Mark

Rick D 12-23-2012 07:39 PM

Looking great Mark, how come back to a 69? I thought you went to the 67 to save weight?

You still haven't said where Mayhem is :_paranoid :D

redfire69 12-23-2012 07:43 PM

You're going to like the anvil front end, the parts fit very well and don't have any sag around the fender grill opening like the repops. I've got a few pics in my project thread.

GregWeld 12-23-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 453201)
With the ghost flames???? :D

I'll call you when carbon parts show up.

Mark



Make 'em Tribal....


:thumbsup:

Rybar 12-23-2012 10:21 PM

Very cool Mark, thanks for posting. Your threads and builds have always been one of my favorites. :thumbsup:

Jgpclone 12-24-2012 12:30 AM

man looking good love the whole cf front clip if u dont mind can u pm me whats the price on all that :hail: :thumbsup:

BADcarma 12-24-2012 02:41 AM

I think it is safe to say that this one will be fairly light with more power and more tire. We can assume that XV will have a performance envelope that exceeds Mayhem by a fair margin, especially when we look at the technical specs Mark mentioned. I’m sure the technical specs and engineering will amaze us all… Can’t wait!

Stielow 12-24-2012 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfire69 (Post 453208)
You're going to like the anvil front end, the parts fit very well and don't have any sag around the fender grill opening like the repops. I've got a few pics in my project thread.

More CF pictures from Ron's Camaro.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...t=15120&page=8

Should be cool!

Mark

coolwelder62 12-24-2012 06:47 AM

Mark,:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

IIisbetter 12-24-2012 08:12 AM

At this rate you're already working on Sweet Sixteen. I'm still on Red Devil and Mayhem now XV, you are the man. Thank you for the inspiration.

clill 12-24-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 453207)
Looking great Mark, how come back to a 69? I thought you went to the 67 to save weight?

You still haven't said where Mayhem is :_paranoid :D


Mayhem is in Detroit waiting for the Detroit Autorama.:lol:

Rick D 12-24-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clill (Post 453383)
Mayhem is in Detroit waiting for the Detroit Autorama.:lol:

Ok Charlie you got me on that one :lol: :bow:

frojoe 12-25-2012 02:15 PM

I gotta ask, how do you have time to keep turning out these Camaro's when you've got a fulltime engineering gig at GM??

Cole 12-25-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratman67 (Post 453546)
it's a union job.... he gets 240 sick days a year lol

LOL..

Stielow 12-26-2012 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratman67 (Post 453545)
mark can you post pics of these mods....pretty please...thx in advance, rm

I wrap 1/8 inch plate around the stock '69 frame rails and tie into the DSE cross car channel.

I add a brace to reinforce the pan hard DSE mount.

I also add a tube from the rear roll bar tube to above where the shock mounts

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps44978522.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb766478b.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps29bc4b84.jpg

dontlifttoshift 12-26-2012 11:15 AM

Mark, just wider wheels or more tire as well? It seems you are happy with your 275/325 combo, just wondering if you are planning on sharpening up the handling with a wider wheel and maintaining the same tire size.

Those front fenders are wider aren't they?

Stielow 12-26-2012 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 453633)
Mark, just wider wheels or more tire as well? It seems you are happy with your 275/325 combo, just wondering if you are planning on sharpening up the handling with a wider wheel and maintaining the same tire size.

Those front fenders are wider aren't they?

There are new tires out for 2013 so I'm revisiting my tire sizes. I have room to go with a 18 X 11 front wheel and a 18 X 13 rear. I could also push to 19s. I need to test a few tires and see what works out.

Mark

pro-touring.no 12-26-2012 01:50 PM

Tanks for sharing
 
What size are you going to have on the exshaust tubes?? 3 inc?

dontlifttoshift 12-26-2012 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 453635)
There are new tires out for 2013 so I'm revisiting my tire sizes. I have room to go with a 18 X 11 front wheel and a 18 X 13 rear. I could also push to 19s. I need to test a few tires and see what works out.

Mark

Thanks, looking forward to your results.

Richio1 12-26-2012 02:44 PM

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...-10-03_197.jpg

Mark, saw this at Bubba Gumps in Maui this week. I know its old but what the hay.

mikels 12-26-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 453068)

The Plan
• Thomson 427 supercharged engine
• Better cooling package

Been working at Thomson's on further refinements / improvements for the 427SC package - always difficult to make the power, meet drivability requirements and control heat rejection - especially in a car that gets driven as 'gently' as Mark's.

Mayhem was a great step forward - picked up nearly 100 HP in exchange for 15 lb/ft TQ (from Red Devil) - while maintaining reasonable heat rejection.

Have several ideas - many of which can easily achieve 1000 HP - but not necessarily meet other requirements at same time. Testing (and data) will tell....

Will be fun to get new combo on dyno in near future!

Dave

Stielow 12-26-2012 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richio1 (Post 453646)
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/a...-10-03_197.jpg

Mark, saw this at Bubba Gumps in Maui this week. I know its old but what the hay.

Thanks --- Thats very cool.

Stielow 12-27-2012 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pro-touring.no (Post 453641)
What size are you going to have on the exshaust tubes?? 3 inc?

Yes 3 inch all the way out the back. Once we get the new engine done we are going to test different headers also. Long tube vs short tube.

Mark

OLDFLM 12-27-2012 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 453713)
Yes 3 inch all the way out the back. Once we get the new engine done we are going to test different headers also. Long tube vs short tube.

Mark

Mark,

What are your mufflers of choice? Borla? Based on flow / backpressure / sound?

Also, please please please do a 2nd Gen at some point! Please?

Regards,

Ty

Stielow 12-27-2012 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikels (Post 453671)
Been working at Thomson's on further refinements / improvements for the 427SC package - always difficult to make the power, meet drivability requirements and control heat rejection - especially in a car that gets driven as 'gently' as Mark's.

Mayhem was a great step forward - picked up nearly 100 HP in exchange for 15 lb/ft TQ (from Red Devil) - while maintaining reasonable heat rejection.

Have several ideas - many of which can easily achieve 1000 HP - but not necessarily meet other requirements at same time. Testing (and data) will tell....

Will be fun to get new combo on dyno in near future!

Dave

For the guys who don't know Dave Mikels, he is one of my best friends and my secret weapon for POWER. We have known each other since we were roommates in college. On our Formula SAE car Dave was driveline and I was chassis. Humm 25 years later Dave is the Power guy and I'm the handling guy. Dave is also a great driver so we make a formidable team. We are also super competive guys so we push each other to be the best we can be.

Brain Thomson, Dave and I are kicking around a few ideas on if we need more power and how much. If I can hook it up I can always use more power. :thumbsup:

Every car I build and drive I learn something. Mayhem worked great for a “new” car. The engine ran like a freight train and the chassis needed to be tweaked to better use it.

For fun I overlaided Red Devils and Mayhems laps from OUSCI and if you pull the best theoretical out of the data. (Mayhems power and breaks with Red Devil’s cornering speeds) the lap times come down 4 seconds a lap.
I’m very excited on Camaro XVs plan to move mass around in the car and redesign all the heat exchangers.

Someone asked why a ’69 and not a ’67. I like ’69 a little better and there are more parts for a ’69.

Mark


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