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gerno 10-30-2013 09:41 PM

Next weekend sounds good to me. After testing them out we can walk over to Black sheep and get a few of those Austin Beers Dave and Rob love so much too. With the weather right now you wouldn't want to bring TOW our on the streets. Flood warnings are going off every 15 min and I've run my Falken's in standing water. It's not very fun. I'll most likely end up ordering some mini tubs before the weekend is over but will wait before cutting the car up.

gerno 10-30-2013 09:46 PM

Just found an 06 GTO for sale compete with the 6.0 but with a rebuilt title from rear impact (but repaired). Price is pretty cheap. If I keep the engine, computer and harness and sell off the rest of it does anyone know what the going rate for the shell including auto trans, leather interior and everything else would be?

tubbed69 10-31-2013 03:28 AM

The last piece I picked up was a dual vent for my fuel tank and rear axle from from Finch. Just got it today and the piece looks very nice in person. I can't wait to get it installed Brian was very busy with SEMA and Baja but made time to call me up and chatted for a while about car setups and all the fun he'll be having over the next few weeks.



car is coming very nicely,you will be satisfied with Brians vent,put one in mine with fuel tank and rear axle and works great

OLDFLM 10-31-2013 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 513751)
From past experience, it's pretty tough to get a 315 to fit without cutting a wheel well lip and pounding in the seat buckle bump if you have one. Even then, it's still tight, but the panhard will help. We'll stick one up and see what it looks like to you. :) Maybe next weekend if you can wait that long?

Our 'birds have more room than Camaros fwiw...

Rick D 10-31-2013 05:59 AM

You can fit a 295 in the rear with out mini tubs, I have them on mine and still have the leafs in the car. If you roll the lips you have some room.

Rick D 10-31-2013 06:02 AM

Here's a few pictures

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glassman 10-31-2013 07:51 AM

I put an 04' GTO LS1 in mine, it will have clearance issues from the accessories as the alternator is down low, will hit pitman arm. Only substitute is to use the bird pitman arm, but will affect your steering set-up. Reread your suspension thread in the suspension section as Blake and Bonzo had things to say about it.
You can swap out the accessoriies with some truck stuff or a newer F body. I haven't done it yet as i may/most likely will be doing the clip.....

Let me know if you have any questions, btw mine is a 70' Cam...

Mike

Oh, and if you'd asked me two months ago about my LS swap, i would have said dont do it, but after driving it too texas from Bay Area, no question i made the right decision :thumbsup: and got 24.8 mpg at 80mph with 3:73' and T-56....

carbuff 10-31-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OLDFLM (Post 513792)
Our 'birds have more room than Camaros fwiw...

Agreed. My last car that I tried to fit them on was a 70 Camaro, and that was the one that was so tight... :)

gerno 10-31-2013 11:48 AM

The 295's fit in there nicely but of course I need to push my limits and get as big as I can. My wheel wells are already rolled and the leafs are now gone so I have some more space. It still looks like I'll be ordering some tubs.

If I get the GTO for a good pricing I could change out the accessory drive as needed to make it fit. I need to decide by Friday night if I'll be going down that path since I assume the car won't last too long. It's would only be worth it if I could get the engine other parts for basically a net cost of 0.

syborg tt 10-31-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 513848)
The 295's fit in there nicely but of course I need to push my limits and get as big as I can. My wheel wells are already rolled and the leafs are now gone so I have some more space. It still looks like I'll be ordering some tubs.

If I get the GTO for a good pricing I could change out the accessory drive as needed to make it fit. I need to decide by Friday night if I'll be going down that path since I assume the car won't last too long. It's would only be worth it if I could get the engine other parts for basically a net cost of 0.

The BFG KDW 295 is wider then most 315's so don't just read the numbers on the sidewalls. Another example is the 335 BFG is wider the 345 Michelin

gerno 10-31-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 513855)
The BFG KDW 295 is wider then most 315's so don't just read the numbers on the sidewalls. Another example is the 335 BFG is wider the 345 Michelin

Good point, I do need to compare the 3 tires I'm looking at to see the differences. I saw the comparison of 3 different tires in a post and it was amazing to me ho non-standard the sizing is.

syborg tt 10-31-2013 12:18 PM

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Good point, I do need to compare the 3 tires I'm looking at to see the differences. I saw the comparison of 3 different tires in a post and it was amazing to me ho non-standard the sizing is.

You mean this one - Yep the Middle tire was a 345 and the one on the right is a 295

gerno 10-31-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 513862)
You mean this one - Yep the Middle tire was a 345 and the one on the right is a 295

That's the one

gerno 11-02-2013 10:44 AM

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New front brakes are in. Unfortunately the Speedtech front end parts won't be here until Monday from installation but these are still nice to look at.

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markss28 11-02-2013 01:39 PM

If u get the GTO and want to part it out. I have a friend needing a trans and I maybe interested in seats. Just a thought

gerno 11-02-2013 03:48 PM

That would have been good but the guy sold the GTO before I could get there.

gerno 11-04-2013 01:56 PM

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Did a little more work this weekend. I built a bracket to mount the new fuel/axle vent in the location of the factory vent (or whatever it is). I also started to modify the front subframe for the coil overs. Hopefully the new front end parts will be in today from Speedtech so I can test fit everything soon.


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gerno 11-04-2013 07:51 PM

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Some new parts are in....

I have to say the quality of all the parts is top notch but the spindles especially are impressive to me.

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NorCal72 11-04-2013 07:57 PM

Those are some nice looking parts! :ups:

Flash68 11-04-2013 09:31 PM

You're not messing around. :)

gerno 11-07-2013 08:03 PM

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Made some good progress today with the front. The driver side front is mocked up and the Chicane mount is welded in. Everything was actually very easy to put in. I was nervous using the angle grinder to cut out the spring pocket but I found it was actually very easy when I did it from the bottom up.

One issue I ran in to is the bolts for the Caliper mounts are not exactly right. I thought they were 1/2" bolts and the threaded in just fine. Unfortunely looking at the thread after mocking them up it seems the 1/2" bolt is a little off. I'm going to head over to the GM dealer tomorrow and see if I can buy a few from them. The 1/2" bolts were also very lose in the spindle so hopefully the GM bolt fixes that too

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gerno 11-09-2013 08:33 AM

In case anyone else is looking for the caliper mount bolt size, the Chevy factory C5 caliper mount bolts are M14x2x47. The Chevy dealer didn't have them in stock but Fastenal had some M14x2x50 grade 8 cap screws (actually the metric equivalent whatever that is). The 50mm bolt with a flat and lock washer is a perfect length and they not actually fit the bore in the spindles.

glassman 11-09-2013 08:41 AM

Steve, did or are you changing rims? or i should ask, what type of b/s or tread can you get up front? I'm watching this closely and thank you for posting in such detail while i make up my mind on which front to get for my 2nd gen....

Mike

gerno 11-09-2013 10:35 AM

I will be changing the rims and most likely going with some CCW LM20's in a 18x10 and 18x 11.5 but I don't know from sure yet. I need to install the passenger front suspension hopefully today then start the measurement process. Jay at Speedtech said I could get ~6" BS. Once I get the measurements I'll post them up. I'm hoping a 295/335 tire combo may fit....

glassman 11-09-2013 07:02 PM

thats a sticky combo for sure. I know that will be tight. But i hope you can do it.

thanx for the info, mike

gerno 11-28-2013 12:29 PM

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I'm finally getting to the point where I need to figure out the actual wheel/tire combo I'm going to run. I have the front fully welded in and all pieces mocked up. With my 275x17 rear wheels on the front there is loads of clearance with the new parts. I'm starting to lean to the 315/275 combo on a 11.5 rim for simplicity and ability to go to a 335 rear later if desired. The biggest debate is wheel choice. The LM20 CCW's seem like the best wheel for what I am looking to do in my price range. Now I'm just debating gold vs grey centers. Here is a rough photoshop of the gold on the car.

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gerno 11-28-2013 12:55 PM

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And an even worse attempt with Grey wheels. Thinking may have to try satin black centers.

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glassman 11-28-2013 04:13 PM

You thought at all about going 18's for brake clearance? or are the 17's good and a little taller sidewall?

gerno 11-28-2013 05:40 PM

Brakes will fit 17s but going to put 18s on the car mainly for looks. The photoshop is just to test what look I want, proportions aren't right

gerno 11-28-2013 07:21 PM

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These are 19" Fiskes but pretty close to the 18" CCWs and the look I want on my car. Think I'll be going with 18s with a satin dark grey center and polished lip

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FETorino 11-28-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 513751)
It's Dave and Rob you have to watch out for, they will spend an hour crawling around under your car if you don't watch out! Greg just makes fun of things like air cleaners, but you can't really trust his judgement since he's such a big fan of The Salt Lick. :disgusted:

Hey we were nothing but helpful identifying potential safety issues.:mock:

Front past experience, it's pretty tough to get a 315 to fit without cutting a wheel well lip and pounding in the seat buckle bump if you have one. Even then, it's still tight, but the panhard will help. We'll stick one up and see what it looks like to you. :) Maybe next weekend if you can wait that long?

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I will be changing the rims and most likely going with some CCW LM20's in a 18x10 and 18x 11.5 but I don't know from sure yet. I need to install the passenger front suspension hopefully today then start the measurement process. Jay at Speedtech said I could get ~6" BS. Once I get the measurements I'll post them up. I'm hoping a 295/335 tire combo may fit....

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I'm finally getting to the point where I need to figure out the actual wheel/tire combo I'm going to run. I have the front fully welded in and all pieces mocked up. With my 275x17 rear wheels on the front there is loads of clearance with the new parts. I'm starting to lean to the 315/275 combo on a 11.5 rim for simplicity and ability to go to a 335 rear later if desired. The biggest debate is wheel choice. The LM20 CCW's seem like the best wheel for what I am looking to do in my price range. Now I'm just debating gold vs grey centers. Here is a rough photoshop of the gold on the car.

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Steve It looks like you've made a bunch of progress since we hung out at COTA and Blacks BBQ.:thumbsup:

Those grey centers look pretty cool.

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He's what the wheel will most likely look like.

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How about some pictures of your rear wheels with the 275s mocked up on your front? How much SB do those rims have and how wide are they? If you want a 295 up front can you fit an 18 x 11" wheel? I have a wheel fit tool you could borrow if you want to check out some fitment options.

:cheers:

gerno 11-28-2013 07:55 PM

Lots has changed since then but now I just need to get it finished. I'm out of town until tomorrow but will get some pics when I get back. If I could borrow the figment tool I would awesome. I'm very nervous I'm going to get the measurement wrong

gerno 11-28-2013 08:00 PM

I've been thinking more about the 295 and it might be too much for now. The 275 is a pretty large tire and we'll above my driving ability. I like the lack of any rubbing issues with the 275 even full lock to lock. The other issue is that the 295 is a pretty tall tires and might not look correct with the rear profile. Had that issue with a 62 Galaxie I build and it drove me nuts

FETorino 11-28-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 519485)
Lots has changed since then but now I just need to get it finished. I'm out of town until tomorrow but will get some pics when I get back. If I could borrow the figment tool I would awesome. I'm very nervous I'm going to get the measurement wrong

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 519487)
I've been thinking more about the 295 and it might be too much for now. The 275 is a pretty large tire and we'll above my driving ability. I like the lack of any rubbing issues with the 275 even full lock to lock. The other issue is that the 295 is a pretty tall tires and might not look correct with the rear profile. Had that issue with a 62 Galaxie I build and it drove me nuts

Steve just PM me if U want to use the fit tool.

If you read through the front suspension thread or even back in my thread about front rim and tire choice it may make the decision harder.:lmao:

For a 295 you could always run a 295 30 18 which is actually .5" shorter than the 275 30. Mocking up the different height tires would help you decide what look you are happiest with.

Did you ever get a chance to try Bryans wheel out on your car?

gerno 11-28-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 519492)
Steve just PM me if U want to use the fit tool.

If you read through the front suspension thread or even back in my thread about front rim and tire choice it may make the decision harder.:lmao:

For a 295 you could always run a 295 30 18 which is actually .5" shorter than the 275 30. Mocking up the different height tires would help you decide what look you are happiest with.

Did you ever get a chance to try Bryans wheel out on your car?

Think it was easier to decide to move back to Austin from Cali than to figure out my wheels/tires. I read through some of the threads but will check them out again. I'll shoot you a PM later this weekend after I post the photos.

Tire choice has been limiting me. I've been focusing to use the Falkens or Rival which has limited my sizing. I want to track the car a lot but am nervous about the street ability of under 200 TW tires. If I go with R888s I have a lot more options. Maybe I've been drinking too much of the koolaide...

Bryan and I haven't met up. Weather in Austin has been terrible so I didn't even want to ask him to bring the car by.

Vince@Meanstreets 11-28-2013 08:51 PM

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19/295 is a tall tire.

Here is 295's on the front 10" wheel.

gerno 11-28-2013 08:55 PM

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19/295 is a tall tire.

Here is 295's on the front 10" wheel.

What's on the rear?

glassman 11-28-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gerno (Post 519487)
I've been thinking more about the 295 and it might be too much for now. The 275 is a pretty large tire and we'll above my driving ability. I like the lack of any rubbing issues with the 275 even full lock to lock. The other issue is that the 295 is a pretty tall tires and might not look correct with the rear profile. Had that issue with a 62 Galaxie I build and it drove me nuts

My thoughts too. I'm switching from 17's to 18's as i like the stance more. I'm thinking the T1000's with the polished lip and silver painted center or brushed center. and may be going silver stripes as well. i'm going 275/315 for now, still need to tub though.

Looking forward to hearing your feedback on the newer Speedtech set-up. I think their stuff is first class.

WSSix 11-29-2013 06:01 AM

I think the gold centers look good. Regardless, I like the wheel design. Don't sweat the wheel choice too much by trying to stuff as much tire as you can in there. Get a good bit in there and call it good is how I would do it. Good luck!

gerno 11-29-2013 07:54 AM

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I can't wait to run the new suspension either but first I have to get through this wheel dilemma.

I think I figured out an issue with my wheel choice. From what I read the LM20 have the same center section for the 17 and 18 but outer rim is different. This means the outer rim is thicker than other rims such as forgeline when running an 18". Given I want the polished outer lip I would have a lot of chrome if I use the CCW so it might not be the look I'm after. At first I thought everyone had pics of smaller rims but then noticed they were 18's. Looks like I'm back to the drawing board for wheel choice. I'm really thinking about a set of Forgelines, but I was soooo close with the CCW's. I'll call John on Monday but hell I've already blown my budget to hell why not keep going.....

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