I just had one off billet wheels built (actually Roy Brizio had them built) for the '33.... I haven't seen the bill yet. :faint:

I just look at it this way --- it's HOT RODDING -- which means you use whatever you can afford - or makes sense - or someone gives you - or you have laying around. In hot rodding -- there was NEVER any brand loyalty.... it was a Caddy motor in your Merc if that's what a guy had.... or a Olds in your '32 Ford....


We use FORD 9" because for the most part they're cheap - easy - strong as hell - and you can get all the brake parts etc for them you could ever want...


I know that Roy was cringing silently when I said what motor I wanted to use in the '33... but when he drives it -- he'll be singing the LS Motors praises! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -- I'm serious!

Jerry, we need more info on the C2 build using that motor. That's gorgeous! Seriously, we need more pictures and info :D

Two things.

A Ford Modular motor is a versatile package that has proven dependable and has plenty of performance potential.

It is a wide package and so doesn't make sense in some applications such as GWs 33.

Ford started putting EFI on the 5.0 in 1980. They refined this motor until 96 or 97 when they switched to the mod motor in the Mustang. You can build a Windsor with all kinds of potential and streetability using either Ford or aftermarket parts.

Fords little 5.0 reignited the pony car wars and reintroduced hp with EFI and emissions standards.

But if you want more that 500hp from a factory crate motor Ford Windsors are not for you. You can build one easy enough but you need to hook up with a good builder.


Chevy kept at the pushrod v8 and so was born the LS. They have kept refining it to the level it is today. So from the factory you can buy a well mannered high hp OEM engine for a decent price. And this engine shares the same basic dimensions as SBX from the 50s. So you get equal modern refinement to the Mod motor in a plug and play for old car size, can't deny it.

They run well and don't leak so I agree with greg hood down for a car you drive a lot they are a good package. But open the hood and they look like crap. They also never sound as good as say an SB2 or a SBF.

So pick your poison.

GW just likes LS motors and for good reason. But an EFI Windsor could have delivered everything he wanted. It's not like an LS is the only option although it is probably the easy way out if you don't care what is under the hood.

:cheers:

Totally agree on the FUGLY Rob!


No way I'd put one in a can and open the hood....


But I think once a guy drives one -- they work so damn well.... that the Fugly becomes a love affair.

I havnt posted the photo in awhile because Im slowly amassing the final parts for the build. All of the new parts are paid for and should be arriving soon. I am working in Asia and the car is in Tx. Im not in a rush to complete as it will just sit in my garage.

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That is an 8 stack efi good to 1000hp. In the photo the SBC 427 dynod at 565fwhp. That wasnt sufficient, so it is getting custom ported afr 245s, solid roller cam, 1:7 shaft rockers and a Meth/Water injection system to run pump gas and higher compression. C2 build summary:

SBC 427 efi
T56 Magnum with final drive of .50
Mccleod Twin Disc
Street Shop custom chassis with QA1s and D44HD irs @ 3:55
Baer 6Ps
18x10 and 18x12 billet specialties wheels with Pilot Sport Tires
Fender Flares from Sermersheim
Hydro-boost
ISIS wiring, Dakota digital dash and LED tail lights
6pt roll bar
Corbeau seats for 5 pt harness
Car will reamain sunflower yellow.

C3 is a 68 Coupe rolling body with no birdcage rust, no photos handy. The C3 will be done in L88 fashion with a BBC/efi and T56. A big bore short stroke motor will used to keep the torque down and preserve the T56 and irs.

WS6 that W motor in the C2 is not mine. It is another build in the Corvette C1/C2 forum section.

I was being kind when I said Ugly but yes FUGLY is more appropriate.:lmao:

I just always find it funny though how little imagination and $$ is often used in choosing a motor package vs say hood hinges and door handles.:P

:cheers:

I suggested this one........:popcorn2:

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/up...7L-655x491.jpg

Okay --- I'm sorry --- but I got a good chuckle out of you describing a 427 SBC as a "short stroke"... and yes I've had a couple of them.

Best motor I ever built was when I DESTROKED my 427 to a 408... and put Dart 180cc heads on it... that bad boy made the same HP but had considerably more torque down in the range where it made the most fun motor I've ever owned. 525 #'s of TQ at 4600 rpms.... It was all out of air at 5600...

Oh - that and it actually had some oil control.

The SBC is not a short stroke. The SBC 427 is a 4" stroke x 4.125" bore. The BBC will be a 4.6" bore x 3.75" stroke 499ci, or most likely a 4.6" x 4" stroke 532ci. Max stroke on a short deck BBC is 4.5" with some massaging, ie a BBC 598.

You can't just label LS engines fugly...

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...A/DSC_0090.jpg

Terrible! Like a train wreck you just can't look away....

The above pic kinda shoots the ugly comments all to hell. As for the BMW engine...Are they plentiful like the LS, lots of aftermarket parts ? Easy to work on ? I still maintain that for the money you can't beat the power, dependability etc of a LS.:catfight:

Fugly is for STOCK appearing LSx motors*



*you know - like the one in my '33





HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:lmao:

Are you actually trying to apply reasonable logic to this hobby? :confused59:
I was thinking BMW for width and hp to weight ratio. :captain1:

Because this is the driving force of your Stigalow collection..... :G-Dub: :poke:




( I DO agree Charlie, a junkyard 5.3 with a cam and some head massaging could make 400-450hp all day and never break. You couldn't even rebuild a bone stock old school engine for what you would have in the LS.

Jeff-

I'd compare the 5.3's to the old 327's. Cheap and easy to find. Sure it gets the job done but it's no 350 or 400... But you can't tell without looking hard.

I saw this car on my Mustang forum last week.
I LOVE the car. A couple of things I would have done a little different, but very nice. But, not over $220k nice in my opinion.

We were discussing the stock style crate motors like GWs. I have to agree with GWs call they are FUGLY. Now spend a few :G-Dub: on bling and they dress up real nice.

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Too show that I do like LS motors, I collect what I think are good ideas. The LSX 454 photos are from a classic Chevelle. Who can argue with that engine compartment? I also think LS motors with a nice sheet metal intake look great. If I dont put a BBC in my C3 Corvette it will be an LSX 454R with efi. Who can argue with 770hp @ 7100rpm.:)

Here is Welds version.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j9...psf8d2ee55.jpg

Just stumbled onto this "debate", being gone for a week and DRIVING my LS powered camaro on its maiden voyage 2o85 miles, ummmmmm got 24.85 mpg doing 80 most the way, spinning 2000 rpm (3:73's& t-56) stock.

Well, I'm sold through experience.......if ya asked me two months ago, I may have giving you a different answer....but nothing like seat time

P.s., about three runs up to a hundred, and plenty of "foot in it" driving....but know I've got some minor driveline issues, can u say "new chassis" in the works for phase III?

Well this motor has peaked my interest. Need more info as the motor is out of Dad's 62 Bubble Top 409 right now.

Are you serious?? You'd have to had been living down a rabbit hole to not know about Walden and the aluminum block 409.... it's been in the works for years - and as such has been in every hot rod magazine about a zillion times.

Come on Marty -- put down Mud Bike Weekly and pick up a real magazine... :snapout: :action-smiley-027: :lol:

Hey -- At least it's got Cobra badges....

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I had a good afternoon at the engine builders today I was hoping for a little more on the dyno but very pleased with the end results. 409 original block! 475 CI She made 782.7 HP @7400RPM & 580 FPT

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W409

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Will that ^^^^^^^^^ Fit in this \/ \/ \/........

I like Mountain Bike Action and Dirt Rag never seen Mud Bike Weekly. I am going to look for that one.

lol - I think I've got Sr. convinced to buy a complete new motor for the car.

Jeebus! That 509 is sexy!



Jeff-

Here Marty --- I found something where you could "mix" both your loves....

Marty-mj If you do a new W engine hold on to the iron block. Good ones are in high demand because the aluminum block is the only one in production. The C2 with the iron block 487ci W409 weighed the engine, and it was 60lbs or so lighter than a BBC.

This place is 'appearing' to make aluminum 'W's as well.

http://www.409raceparts.com/

Only ONE guy to have a W motor built..... This be THE MAN!


http://www.lamarwaldenautomotive.com

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The Motown LS Hybrid never gained a lot of popularity but it does make a lot of power. Maybe more power than an LS motor with the same heads. The dyno sheet is from a 13.5:1 motor which would make a good E85 power plant. Knock it down to pump gas and it will still be 785hp or so. It is using Brodix BR7 heads which are medium priced custom heads when compared to All Pro's, LSR's, etc.

The engine is $12.9k from Ohio Crankshaft. An LS motor at that power level would be $20k or better. This engine makes sense if you have a lot of SBC stuff like a billet serpentine assy, etc.

Ive put up a lot of motors lately, only to show that there is a lot of good stuff out there. Ive never badmouthed an LS and think they are great. I wanted to show examples that an LS is not the only way to make good horsepower!

My primary interest is in engines. Everyone has a passion, lol.

Here's what Lamar's son Rob posted on a 348-409 forum I 'infrequent'.
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Walden was talking $50k for his version, wasn't he?
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Not sure where you got you info on the prices but we have never told anyone $50k for a motor! The most expensive loaded up with all options and electronic fuel injection alum 509 motor turn key and dynoed is $28.5.

http://www.348-409.com/forum/index.p...w.22306/page-2

Yeah Skippah -- I had retracted that statement after I thought about it for 10 minutes - it was so long ago I could only remember it being seriously expensive. I actually called and talked to Walden for a buddy that was interested so it wasn't a "quote" I committed to memory.



Actually --- a 50K motor --- is from H&H Flatheads for their BILLET flattie with a Scotie blower... and billet pan etc...Ardun heads... and makes --- wait for it ---- 300 hp


http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/...d_h_flatheads/

Greg,

Ouch on the flattie cost and lack of power.

Truly to each his own. :)

Well it made a little closer to 400 -- but when you're Jorge Zaragoza --- you just get to build whatever you feel like...

I could see how it might appeal to some gearhead putting one of those motors in a great looking 'cruiser' from the flattie era.

Rob Walden said they build approximately 75 W409's a year...a motor we certainly almost never see mentioned on here.

But they sure look fine IMO. :cool: