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ironworks 08-11-2014 01:03 PM

The racers had not even been collected under caution yet. They are still zooming around to get back into line. And he runs down into the live track.

OBeer-WAN-Kenobi 08-11-2014 02:28 PM

IMHO,they BOTH made mistakes and unfortunately for BOTH of them, the outcome was what it was. I'm sure Stewart didn't go out there to kill anyone and the kid certainly didn't go out there to get killed.

Think how many times we've all done stupid ****. How many times have we all wondered how we're actually still alive after what we did when we were younger?

I have yet to meet someone who is perfect enough to assign all the blame in fully one direction. (and I'm not holding my breath)

Spiffav8 08-11-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 565150)
Oh come on Curtis, you don't really believe that. The guy made a mistake.Yes, Did he deserve to die, no.
When you are out in the action nightly you tend to forget where you are and how dangerous it can be.

Tragedy cause someone lost a son over a hot temper and someone has to live with the fact that a young person died in front of them.

Deserve to die? Who are we to judge this mans actions and say that he deserved death for them? I don't think he did anything wrong as in breaking the law or intended on harming others. He made a mistake and it cost him.

I fully agree that when you are out in the action nightly you tend to forget how dangerous it can be. In a fast paced, dynamic environment things tend to slow down for us, after we spend to much time in them. We think we know what will happen next and can predict it all. We become complacent and that's when we start missing warning signs and things go wrong.

raustinss 08-11-2014 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi (Post 565172)
IMHO,they BOTH made mistakes and unfortunately for BOTH of them, the outcome was what it was. I'm sure Stewart didn't go out there to kill anyone and the kid certainly didn't go out there to get killed.

Think how many times we've all done stupid ****. How many times have we all wondered how we're actually still alive after what we did when we were younger?

I have yet to meet someone who is perfect enough to assign all the blame in fully one direction. (and I'm not holding my breath)

I guess tony should have had headlights on and hell even night vision goggles...then he could have seen the kid in black at night on a track with poor lighting that he shouldn't have been walking on
Yeah sure they BOTH did something wrong...Cmon man :bang:

OBeer-WAN-Kenobi 08-11-2014 05:51 PM

^^
Ah, someone who unequivocally knows all the facts. Please make some excuse to skip jury duty if you're ever called. Thanks.

Still not holding my breath.

Al Moreno 08-11-2014 07:34 PM

Wow, how sad. Having a 22, 21 and 18 year old boys it hurts my heart just thinking about this.

Greg from Aus 08-11-2014 07:41 PM

So sad, over a everyday racing incident makes it worse.

raustinss 08-11-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OBeer-WAN-Kenobi (Post 565237)
^^
Ah, someone who unequivocally knows all the facts. Please make some excuse to skip jury duty if you're ever called. Thanks.

Still not holding my breath.

Relax man... How did tony make a mistake....this is your chance to correct me because clearly you don't like being wrong. The two people who know the facts are tony and Kevin and hes dead . What I have stated was things that many many other people have said. which are obvious facts. So please correct me

Shmoov69 08-11-2014 08:30 PM

Horrible, horrible deal. Any way you cut it, it sucks! Kid died for doing something stupid (like we all have done and didn't die...obviously!!).

What did Tony do? NOBODY here knows for sure. Maybe nothing at all, but until his in car camera footage shows that he didn't do anything, then it is all hopeful speculation. How many times have you seen a driver "swerve" at someone (usually in a car albeit) to "spook" them for being an idiot? A bunch. Did Tony do that? Dunno, and I'm not about to say that he did, however the video will show without a doubt any intent to avoid or to "spook" him. Either way, it went terribly wrong.

GregWeld 08-11-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg from Aus (Post 565256)
So sad, over a everyday racing incident makes it worse.



I'm with you on this one Greg... it's such a common "incident" in racing. A guy can only hope that it serves ONE good purpose... to perhaps serve as a reminder to the guys racing that maybe it's not a good idea to get out of the car on the track regardless of how mad you may be.

Sieg 08-11-2014 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 565272)
I'm with you on this one Greg... it's such a common "incident" in racing. A guy can only hope that it serves ONE good purpose... to perhaps serve as a reminder to the guys racing that maybe it's not a good idea to get out of the car on the track regardless of how mad you may be.

Agreed.

I don't think many can relate to how a sprint car turns (doesn't turn) with it's spooled rear end and dramatic rear tire stagger.

I'm guessing we'll see a number of safety changes implemented from this incident. Those enforcing the track rules will no longer make exceptions to the drivers theatrical stunts that the media hypes up and markets to draw spectators. NASCAR is as guilty as any and with their close association to the dirt track scene they may be the first to take the lead........and protect their fan base image through the media by marketing driver safety.

Hopefully we'll see serious fines for drivers taking action of that nature that will make them think twice when in a state of rage.

Stay belted in and in the safety of the disabled car until the safety crew arrives. If you want to get verbal and fight do it in the pits.

Tragic may well be the best description of this simple racing incident.

intocarss 08-11-2014 10:52 PM

I read on several sites that Kevin has done this (get out of his car on the track to confront someone) quite a few times in the past, and has been warned about it... I know it makes no difference to what happen..

At our tracks you are told to stay in your car and buckled in until the safety crew arrives unless it's on fire..or you will be fined and or suspended.


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