Jay,

I bolted up the largest radial mount caliper and rotor I had (14 inch StopTech 6 piston) to make sure the radial mount bracket would clear the caliper mount tabs - perfect! For those with good eyes, the hub/bearing is a C7 front (no splines).

Pappy

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Thanks!

Thanks Ron!

WOW! Looks awesome with those Bad Boys!! Thanks again Pappy!

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So again would this work with the larger ZR1 set up

Yes, this setup will work with your ZR1 brakes. The ONLY thing in question was the e-brake backing plate because I had recalled seeing a different part# for the ZR1. But I just slipped an actual ZR1 rotor hat onto this setup and it fit fine. If you have any other questions please ask.

Thanks, Jay

***price Increase***
 

You should be good after you have a couple kits out and they get reviews.


Hang in there man. I know what its like to double down and hold your breath.

I think so to Vince. I think the next sets will go fast. I am also having another set of alignment blocks made this round as I gear up for the shopping frenzy. That way I have two sets to loan out :)

Hi Jay,

I'm local to you and would consider bringing you my existing 9" rear to have you install this for me. Do you have a rough idea of install cost? I won't hold you to it, not looking for a firm estimate.

Also, If I have non-e-brake C5 Z06 rear brakes on the car now (Kore3), would your complete kit & parking brake work with my existing rear brakes?

Jay,

Have you considered sub-contracting a fab shop to do the installs for you? Someone you could provide the fixtures to and then could recommend or send your customers to have the ends installed? That would keep you from having to enter the fabrication end of the business, unless that is something you want to do. It would also build a dependable fabrication capability with someone who would then have experience with your product, eliminating the trial-and-error scenario with a bunch of different shops with unknown capabilities.

Pappy

It should work depending the the rotor that you have whether it has a shoe hat or not. This would replace your Kore# bracket and rear end flange. Caliper should work fine.

:_paranoid

:D

I can throw my hat in that ring as well. I have the necessary tooling and am far enough away from Vince that I don't think he'll be mad.:lol:

Good call Vince, didn't think about rotors having the shoe hat or not. I'll have to check on that.

:grouphug:


The more the merrier....Jay is very much like me. Have to keep us fed so we can grow product.

I have a saying " I make money, we all make money"

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I'm a fabricator with 10 plus years of customer fab experience I'd be interested north of the border...farther from all of you lol

[QUOTE=Vince@MSperfab;591805]link to picture

So you just mean, a non-2 piece rotor/lightweight hat kind of setup.

Pappy, GREAT suggestion. I would love to work with a good group of guys that could offer installation. That would be a huge help to me and a great convenience to others wanting to run this setup that may not have the ability to take advantage of the fixture pieces I am loaning.

The ONLY down side I see is the shipping costs that are involved with shipping housings to & from, and was why I came up with the idea to "loan the proprietary tools" necessary to get it done. With that said I would be completely grateful to those fabricators willing to provide your services! :thankyou:


Pappy, Vince, Donny, and Ryan, first off, THANK YOU. Maybe you three can PM me your addresses/phone numbers so that I can list in my 1st post as sources that are willing/able to get it done! It will be up to you guys if you want to list a price to install the Flange Ends or choose to quote over the phone?

As for you JKnight - PM me your contact info and I will give you a shout tomorrow and will tackle yours.

Jay

I wanted to add some information about these parts. I would have thought someone might have asked by now, but since no one has, I'll just provide the information in a Q&A format :D

Question: "Will I be able to install your C6 Flange Kit while maintaining my same Wheel Mount Surface measurement?

Answer: YES, and depending on what Flange End you currently run and will be cutting off, will ultimately determine if you will require a 1/2" wheel spacer. Again, this is based on your current flange end. Different manufactures are different in length. For example, IF your current Big Ford (Torino) Flange End is 2" long from the face to were it welds to your axle tube,,,, then by the time you cut the Big Ford Flange End off and install this C6 Kit, you would require a 1/2" wheel spacer to obtain your current WMS to WMS measurement. BUTTTTTT, IF your current flange end that will be cut off is 1-1/2", you will NOT require any wheel spacer to obtain your existing WMS to WMS.

Hope this makes sense. I have also posted a question in the "Sticky" in the suspension thread area for hopefully Ron Sutton to chime in on as to the acceptance of this 1/2" wheel spacer if it should be needed to obtain your existing WMS. Hopefully that was the right area.

Thanks, Jay

PM sent

[QUOTE=JKnight;591814]yep!!

Availabilty Update
 

For those that have asked. I will have more kits available this Wednesday.

Thanks, Jay

This is exactly what I need and I will be purchasing later in the spring! I'm still paying for my ZR1 brake set-up and that has been.... sobering!
:brix:

Perfect, I appreciate the support!:thankyou:

Few more ready to ship!
 

I have 3 more sets available, actually 2 as one of these is on its way to PA tomorrow! These other 2 still need a good home :poke:


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CAD Drawings
 

I have had a few questions as to the axle arrangement. Thought I would post the drawings to help visualize.
Hope to have real world pics as customers start getting these kits installed.
Also thought I would share that STRANGE ENGINEERING is on board to install these kits too!

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What's holding the axle in place on the hub side? Is the axle threaded on that end and secured with a nut?

Yes, the "real axle" has threads (M27) that excepts a C6 OEM lock nut which are included in the "complete kit".

Is it safe to say that strange engineering can also do the axles? Also I'm confused as to what the black disc is behind the hub in your3d model pictures

parking brake plate

Yes, that would be very safe to say. Technically axles were available through STRANGE upon my original posting.
Also as Vince stated (Thanks Vince), The black disc represents the parking brake backing plate. Unfortunately I do not have these GM CAD files so I just created a disk with the proper thickness to represent the backing plate.

These are cool What CAD system are you using?

Thanks!
All designs are done in SW 2012.

Jay on the front of C5/C6 spindle and hub applications there is a spacer from GM that is used to hold the abs harness wires and move the rotor out about 20 to 30 thousandths. It's about a $12 part from GM. I'm wondering if one would need it in your application (or my existing one)? The only way I would know to tell is to mock up a rotor and caliper and see if the rotor is to far inboard of center.

Hope this helps,

Edit: I believe they are called ABS Sensor attachment brackets.
http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/9...965#post933965

Hey Ron, for the rear of C5/6 Corvettes, the parking brake backing plate is that "spacer" and has the attachment point for the ABS pigtail on it.

PS. I would assume that your set up so long as it was designed to take OEM parking brake, would already be accounted into the machine dimensions of your/Blakes weld on ends. And just FYI, The rear parking brake backing plate accounts for approximately .045".

UPDATE: Pictured below are the C5/6 rear (left) and front (right) ABS sensor attachment brackets. As you can see on the rear they are incorporated into the e-brake backing plate.
UPDATE TO THE UPDATE: Another little detail/tidbit is that I have physically measured rear e-brake plates at anywhere from .042"-.046" thickness, and the fronts plates/abs sensor brackets always seem to be a little thicker at .055-.062". Overall the differences will never be noticed by anyone not looking for it but just figured I would share the findings. Personally I chalk it up to +/- tollerences within the parts themselves AND the coating process...

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I have been working with Jay(JSM) since he originally posted his c5/c6 flange setup. I knew that I wanted to use this type of flange on my current build. I was honestly waiting for DSE to finalize their setup using Steilows flanges.

I am extremely happy that Jay offered his flanges first.
This setup is not only better and more versatile(ABS brakes) than all the other options but it is also cheaper than most. The flanges might seem expensive when compared to a set of Ford Big bearing flanges($80) but you don't need brackets like those available from Kore3($750 for parking brake).

I ordered the flanges and jig ends from Jay. I also ordered Mittler Bros 60" alignment bar from Jegs($130) and the 2.890 inner alignment blocks($80) for the third member from JEGS.

Jay will loan the larger inner alignment blocks but the third member cases with larger bearings are harder to find and are more expensive. I bought a empty case for $40 on craigslist and now own a Jig for any 9" housing.

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Assembling the fixture and using the jigs is extremely simple especially with the flat spots to locate the calipers.

Truck Tech on spike had a good episode on building a custom 9". You can watch them online http://www.powernationtv.com/episode...om-9-rear-gear


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Ben,

Thanks for posting your experience thus far with the product.

Jay

Jay,

Went out and dug a 60 Olds rear end out of salvage at Desert Auto Parts. I have a fresh 3.90 posi, 9.3 inch Pontiac with "all the good stuff". Totally bullet-proof. Got an alignment bar and inner alignment blocks (3.265 in.) from Mittler Bros. (57-64 Olds, Dana 44, and Chrysler 8.75). Bar and blocks will be available for loan after I am through using them. Going to Texas for the GoodGuys (Ft. Worth) in late March and will build up the housing there. I'm also taking the jigs so my son can build the LCAs for my 56 Corvette. I'll give you a call for the outer alignment blocks.

Pappy

That sounds awesome Pappy! I (as well as others I am sure) am not familiar with those Olds rears but really look forward to your build pics! VERY unique and will definitely show just how universal this C6 set-up of mine is. I think we will most likely see them on Chevy 12 bolts and Ford 9" rears but love the fact you are stepping out of the box :thumbsup:
I also appreciate the offer out on the table for your bar/inner blocks to folks with your type application (Olds, Dana 44, Chrysler 8.75). I have a few sets of the outer alignment blocks now and will put your name on a set for your end of March trip!

PS. your wheel is safe and sound and will get it back to you soon :D