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Yukon Cornelius 07-08-2018 05:28 PM

Very interested.

Blake Foster 07-11-2018 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT_66_Pro_Touring (Post 679795)
Ben,
Good luck in your new business.

Blake,
Can we count on you to keep us updated on this project? I'm not to far behind you with my project and I'd love to see this package before I have to move forward with a stock style suspension.


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YES here is an update. all the parts are designed, we have been waiting one one VERY cool new tool to arrive before we move forward on this project that is scheduled to arrive this week, then we can confirm all the fitment and have the parts laser cut and we will begin install in 2 weeks. we have a COMPLETE front center and rear set up. here is a bit of the run down

Front
Extreme "subframe/ K Member "
AFX / Extreme Spindles
Rack and Pinion
Ron Sutton shocks / coil over
Splined sway bar
and a few other surprises
there will be room for a 315!

mid section
will consist of weld in sub frame connectors Although they technically don't connect the sub frame probably floor stiffening kit would be a better name.
this will allow for the adjustable trans mount and torque arm mount and dual exhaust down the tunnel.

Rear suspension
our standard torque arm.
adjustable panhard bar set up with corrected roll center height adjust ability
our Articulink lower trailing arms
adjustable sway bar
Ron Sutton shock / coil over
we will have a mod for the rear wheel well to fit a 315 also. but as someone said above it is TIGHT!!

additional parts we will have
tunnel mod for trans position
headers
ls and LT motor mounts

mid august is the target to have the suspension installed.

:ups:

HellPhish89 07-30-2018 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 679976)
YES here is an update. all the parts are designed, we have been waiting one one VERY cool new tool to arrive before we move forward on this project that is scheduled to arrive this week, then we can confirm all the fitment and have the parts laser cut and we will begin install in 2 weeks. we have a COMPLETE front center and rear set up. here is a bit of the run down

Front
Extreme "subframe/ K Member "
AFX / Extreme Spindles
Rack and Pinion
Ron Sutton shocks / coil over
Splined sway bar
and a few other surprises
there will be room for a 315!

mid section
will consist of weld in sub frame connectors Although they technically don't connect the sub frame probably floor stiffening kit would be a better name.
this will allow for the adjustable trans mount and torque arm mount and dual exhaust down the tunnel.

Rear suspension
our standard torque arm.
adjustable panhard bar set up with corrected roll center height adjust ability
our Articulink lower trailing arms
adjustable sway bar
Ron Sutton shock / coil over
we will have a mod for the rear wheel well to fit a 315 also. but as someone said above it is TIGHT!!

additional parts we will have
tunnel mod for trans position
headers
ls and LT motor mounts

mid august is the target to have the suspension installed.

:ups:

hmm.. subframe/k-member? If I were to buy this will I have to cut out the existing frame rails?

Blake Foster 08-09-2018 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellPhish89 (Post 681021)
hmm.. subframe/k-member? If I were to buy this will I have to cut out the existing frame rails?

yes you will have to cut and weld.
the new X member will locate on 2 of the original k member mount holes.
the original front inner wheel well and strut tower remain unchanged.
the floor will need to be cut to install the "frame connector tubes which mount the trans X member and new Torque arm X member
the rear suspension is all bolt in. other than some reinforcement welding on the pan hard mount.

the laser parts are here this week an we will be assembling parts next week!!

Vince@Meanstreets 08-09-2018 10:24 AM

Now this is what we have been waiting for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 679976)
YES here is an update. all the parts are designed, we have been waiting one one VERY cool new tool to arrive before we move forward on this project that is scheduled to arrive this week, then we can confirm all the fitment and have the parts laser cut and we will begin install in 2 weeks. we have a COMPLETE front center and rear set up. here is a bit of the run down

Front
Extreme "subframe/ K Member "
AFX / Extreme Spindles
Rack and Pinion
Ron Sutton shocks / coil over
Splined sway bar
and a few other surprises
there will be room for a 315!

mid section
will consist of weld in sub frame connectors Although they technically don't connect the sub frame probably floor stiffening kit would be a better name.
this will allow for the adjustable trans mount and torque arm mount and dual exhaust down the tunnel.

Rear suspension
our standard torque arm.
adjustable panhard bar set up with corrected roll center height adjust ability
our Articulink lower trailing arms
adjustable sway bar
Ron Sutton shock / coil over
we will have a mod for the rear wheel well to fit a 315 also. but as someone said above it is TIGHT!!

additional parts we will have
tunnel mod for trans position
headers
ls and LT motor mounts

mid august is the target to have the suspension installed.

:ups:


HellPhish89 08-13-2018 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 681473)
yes you will have to cut and weld.
the new X member will locate on 2 of the original k member mount holes.
the original front inner wheel well and strut tower remain unchanged.
the floor will need to be cut to install the "frame connector tubes which mount the trans X member and new Torque arm X member
the rear suspension is all bolt in. other than some reinforcement welding on the pan hard mount.

the laser parts are here this week an we will be assembling parts next week!!

I really need to see what you came up with because Im having trouble visualizing.. pics hopefully coming soon?

Blake Foster 08-14-2018 10:18 AM

we will start the install tomorrow i am thinking so stay tuned

HellPhish89 09-12-2018 04:36 PM

any updates?

Blake Foster 09-13-2018 06:50 AM

yes
we are welding the components and have test fit them in the cars again.
we will do the install pics and instructions next week.

we are actually getting caught up and will have time to move this project forward.

HellPhish89 10-05-2018 05:02 PM

[waits patiently] lol

GregWeld 10-05-2018 07:07 PM

I saw it two days ago in the shop..... so I can attest that it's being worked on!!

HellPhish89 10-10-2018 11:35 AM

I have no doubt. Third gen people have waited a long time for something decent so a few weeks more isnt really that much :D

RT_66_Pro_Touring 11-02-2018 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 683596)
yes
we are welding the components and have test fit them in the cars again.
we will do the install pics and instructions next week.

we are actually getting caught up and will have time to move this project forward.

Any updates you can share?

Blake Foster 11-03-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT_66_Pro_Touring (Post 685700)
Any updates you can share?

yes we have test fit the front and rear, we are actively looking for another CAD / Engineer as out last one recently moved to another local company so that has stalled the progress, hope to have it all sorted by year end

HellPhish89 01-15-2019 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 685716)
yes we have test fit the front and rear, we are actively looking for another CAD / Engineer as out last one recently moved to another local company so that has stalled the progress, hope to have it all sorted by year end

How has the engineer search/fitment gone?

Ya know.. you guys could probably save a bunch in materials by fast prototyping with a 3d printer..:D:G-Dub:

Blake Foster 01-15-2019 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellPhish89 (Post 688517)
How has the engineer search/fitment gone?

Ya know.. you guys could probably save a bunch in materials by fast prototyping with a 3d printer..:D:G-Dub:

at this point not well.

HellPhish89 01-16-2019 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 688518)
at this point not well.

Thats no good.

RT_66_Pro_Touring 03-02-2019 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 688518)
at this point not well.

Looking for an update. I'm about to finish some other projects I've been working on and it will soon be time to pick a direction for my build.

HellPhish89 04-18-2019 04:57 PM

:poke: hopefully things have turned around

qnitro 04-29-2019 02:42 PM

I'm officially in the 3rd gen game with a recent acquisition.. and I love some speedtech parts..

Che70velle 04-29-2019 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qnitro (Post 692275)
I'm officially in the 3rd gen game with a recent acquisition.. and I love some speedtech parts..

Same here. Picking mine up in a week or so.

Blake Foster 04-30-2019 06:43 AM

We will get on it soon. planning on mid June, first proto type is done and fit
We need to modify a few parts and do a full install.
The car will then be for sale as a project we will finish. once ready

HellPhish89 07-21-2019 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 692288)
We will get on it soon. planning on mid June, first proto type is done and fit
We need to modify a few parts and do a full install.
The car will then be for sale as a project we will finish. once ready

Any updates? :)

Blake Foster 07-24-2019 10:58 AM

All new parts are at laser cutter
installed the rear suspension ant it fit GREAT!!
changed the center frame kit to be more bolt in with less cutting. should be able to install in our test car in a few weeks.
also changed the front so it is easier to install still cutting and welding but much easier to do now.

HellPhish89 07-29-2019 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 695072)
All new parts are at laser cutter
installed the rear suspension ant it fit GREAT!!
changed the center frame kit to be more bolt in with less cutting. should be able to install in our test car in a few weeks.
also changed the front so it is easier to install still cutting and welding but much easier to do now.

Is the front going to be more of an SLA kit like the Mustangs have access to?

Blake Foster 07-31-2019 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellPhish89 (Post 695181)
Is the front going to be more of an SLA kit like the Mustangs have access to?

It is the Exact same as all our other Extreme subframes and chassis. complete weld in cross member that replaces the K member and struts are now GONE.

RT_66_Pro_Touring 07-31-2019 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 695257)
It is the Exact same as all our other Extreme subframes and chassis. complete weld in cross member that replaces the K member and struts are now GONE.

And the flanges in the wheel well for the top strut mount? Will the kit clean this up in some way or would we be left to figure out the body work?

HellPhish89 08-01-2019 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blake Foster (Post 695257)
It is the Exact same as all our other Extreme subframes and chassis. complete weld in cross member that replaces the K member and struts are now GONE.


Thats what I was afraid of. High dollar starting point and labor intensive to the point that most 3rd gen owners will just look past it. Its going to an amazing system but Im very doubtful it will sell well with what I know of the community. Sorry if Ive offended you its just disappointing to me

ur-n-8 08-01-2019 06:55 PM

I can see where it would be difficult to make a state of the art suspension that would bolt in and sell for a couple grand.

Build-It-Break-it 08-01-2019 07:56 PM

Prices have been going up. I remember when I bought the speedtech rear torque arm for $2200 shipped, now its $2900 plus shipping.

mitch_04 08-02-2019 01:16 PM

Give it a few years, 3rd gens will come up in value as people (like me) who wanted them in high school but couldn't afford them start coming into money. I'm not coming into money yet, but I am surely watching this thread and hoping it times out to where I have the money once it becomes available.

Look at square bodies, 5 years ago when I bought mine you hardly ever saw one built to the 9s, now they are everywhere.

ur-n-8 08-02-2019 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitch_04 (Post 695336)
Give it a few years, 3rd gens will come up in value as people (like me) who wanted them in high school but couldn't afford them start coming into money. I'm not coming into money yet, but I am surely watching this thread and hoping it times out to where I have the money once it becomes available.

Look at square bodies, 5 years ago when I bought mine you hardly ever saw one built to the 9s, now they are everywhere.

Agreed, until now no one has offered anything modern for the third gen. I don’t know what the cost will be, but if it’s on par with a first gen subframe I don’t know what’s to bitch about. I can’t imagine how much time it took refine and develop it.

Hugger67RSSS 08-02-2019 09:52 PM

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This car is waiting to be built this winter and waiting to see my options, could be interesting!

RT_66_Pro_Touring 08-03-2019 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugger67RSSS (Post 695352)
This car is waiting to be built this winter and waiting to see my options, could be interesting!

Nice! What are your plans for the car beyond the suspension?

HellPhish89 08-03-2019 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ur-n-8 (Post 695307)
I can see where it would be difficult to make a state of the art suspension that would bolt in and sell for a couple grand.

While SLA's arent state of the art anymore this is based more on what I know of the 3rd gen community.

I have zero doubt the system will be amazing just not something that I see doing well due to its price obviously required price point.

Hugger67RSSS 08-03-2019 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT_66_Pro_Touring (Post 695357)
Nice! What are your plans for the car beyond the suspension?

Built LS3/T56 9” rear nothing real crazy. Keep the interior stock appearing with some cage work

ur-n-8 08-04-2019 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellPhish89 (Post 695364)
While SLA's arent state of the art anymore this is based more on what I know of the 3rd gen community.

I have zero doubt the system will be amazing just not something that I see doing well due to its price obviously required price point.

I guess when I stated 'state of the art' I was referring to Corvette style geometry/componentry as opposed to say Mustang 2, but I have to admit I was unaware of any designs better than SLA.

Blake Foster 08-05-2019 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellPhish89 (Post 695299)
Thats what I was afraid of. High dollar starting point and labor intensive to the point that most 3rd gen owners will just look past it. Its going to an amazing system but Im very doubtful it will sell well with what I know of the community. Sorry if Ive offended you its just disappointing to me

I AM TOTALLY OFFENDED!!! lol JK
So here is the deal. We have an amazing front suspension, and torque arm system. We could have (and still probably will) just made lower control arms and caster/camber plates and called it done! But then what sets us apart from EVERY other system? The car will get more popular, it already is.

The price for the complete kit will be about the same as a full chassis for any other application it just is what it is. We probably will not sell 50 a year I am sure of that, but it is another product that people are asking about. Did we go over board? Probably but I am confidant it will be the BEST system you will be able to buy for this model.

Install will not be that bad we have designed it to be pretty straight forward although you will need to do some cutting and welding (welcome to car building 101) on the front, the mid frame requires some trimming of the factory frame rails to allow for true dual exhaust. other than that it is bolt in and weld to finish it off. there are front roll cage mounts built in as well. the Torque arm is all bolt in with coil overs and an adjustable panhard for roll center adjustment.

No mini tubbing so that saves a tone of time and money to off set the cost. I bet that it will actually be easier and faster to install than a mini tub and that does not seem to scare anyone away. 315 tires square.

Blake Foster 08-05-2019 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RT_66_Pro_Touring (Post 695267)
And the flanges in the wheel well for the top strut mount? Will the kit clean this up in some way or would we be left to figure out the body work?

At this point we are thinking of including some sheetmetal cover plates to cover over the strut mount. but it will remain in place as it is a structural component of the body.

Che70velle 08-05-2019 02:16 PM

Indeed Blake, these cars are gaining popularity big time. Prices are going up almost daily, and low mileage survivors are bringing big dollars at auction, especially IROC’s. I think your timing on bringing these parts to market is great and I’d expect to see you guys selling Gen3 camaro parts by the truckload next summer. These cars are gonna be the next big thing.


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