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Ron Sutton 03-08-2018 02:05 PM

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: NASA TTU & Track Days
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Here are some EARLY photos of Greg Weld's 70 Mustang the front end. I say "early" because we've made changes & advancements to it since these. But you'll get to see the progression this way. I'll show the changes we made & why we made them.

Early stages of front end customization. You can see where the front end has been widened 3" on each side for a total of 6" wider. This is all to widen the track width & make room for 335/30/18 Hoosier Slicks all the way around.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...8&d=1520545615

The top red circle shows where the Ford style is shaped into the nose. We'll be removing that ... smoothing & rounding the nose ... and making the hood flat in front of the eventual 4" cowl hood scoop.

The red circle on the bottom is just to point out that the air dam mocked up here is NOT going to stay that shape. It will also be rounded. Gotta start somewhere. :lol:

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...9&d=1520545882

This photo shows the rear of the body shell after it was widened 6" & re-gel coated.
Yes, those are 69-70 Shelby Tail Lights. The actual lights will be LEDs.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...0&d=1520546223


This is a good photo showing what the factory tail panel kick up looked like. If I left this as is, it would seriously affect airflow off the back of the car. So we leveled it out as you can see in the second photo.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...1&d=1520546412
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...2&d=1520546446


Flash68 03-08-2018 03:33 PM

Ron, what's the measurement on Greg's from outside of tire to outside of tire?

Ron Sutton 03-08-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 674187)
Ron, what's the measurement on Greg's from outside of tire to outside of tire?

It is 74" ... which is 2" wider than a C6 Vette


57hemicuda 03-08-2018 03:51 PM

Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmmhttps://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/Must...ng%20075-L.jpg

jarhead 03-08-2018 05:49 PM

cool...along for the fun

Popcorn is in the microwave :-)

Flash68 03-08-2018 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 674190)
Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmm

I knew someone was gonna go there...

What's that saying? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... :lol:

clill 03-08-2018 06:15 PM

I wanna watch Bozo get it in his trailer.

gofastwclass 03-08-2018 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by clill (Post 674199)
I wanna watch Bozo get it in his trailer.

Hahaha!!!! :headscratch:

Widen the trailer by six inches? :sarcasm_smiley:

GregWeld 03-08-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by clill (Post 674199)
I wanna watch Bozo get it in his trailer.

Easy! I have 10" to spare......


You put the ramp down --- line her up --- rev it to 4,000 and dump the hammer. Nuthin' to it.

johnnysuede23 03-09-2018 05:36 AM

Wow looks awesome! If this had a aluminum Boss 9 in it that would be my dream car.

GregWeld 03-09-2018 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnysuede23 (Post 674223)
Wow looks awesome! If this had a aluminum Boss 9 in it that would be my dream car.

No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more weight and less power..... :buttkick::rofl::rofl:


Seriously --- it's the same reason the SBC is in "everything" when you go to a hot rod show.... the SUPPORT for aftermarket anything is like 10 to 1

I'd talked about a flat plane Coyote motor.... "just because" but of course -- that comes back to spending double for less. Cool - no doubt...

preston 03-09-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda View Post
Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmm
I knew someone was gonna go there...

What's that saying? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Me too !

I can't help myself after spending 2 years of my life building my own wide body Mustang. These cars just take to it so well because of the character line going down the car. I've had many Mustang enthusiasts look at my car and not realize it had been widened.

Surprised about knocking off the rear trunk spoiler, I've seen a lot of guys combine them with wings but come to think of it I always kind of wondered if that was a good idea, and now we know - The Sutton has spoken.

If anyone is inspired and interested in acquiring a wide body '68 Mustang with a Sutton-esque suspension let me know - I can't afford this hobby anymore ! I can't seem to leave well enough alone - I was talking with my wife about what I could get for it and I was like "hell, its free, just take over the damn payments !"

Ron Sutton 03-09-2018 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnysuede23 (Post 674223)
Wow looks awesome! If this had a aluminum Boss 9 in it that would be my dream car.

Johnny, I'm sure you know the saying ...

"You write the check & we'll put any damn engine in it you want!"

:thumbsup:

jarhead 03-09-2018 04:13 PM

""No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more weight and less power""

You are in your right mind Greg?

sorry I had to get on the band wagon :headspin::popcorn2:

:thumbsup:

Ron Sutton 03-09-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jarhead (Post 674297)
""No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more power and less weight ... and aero.""

You are in your right mind Greg?

sorry I had to get on the band wagon :headspin::popcorn2:

:thumbsup:

There. Fixed it for ya !

booah 03-09-2018 04:57 PM

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Just finished my front end aero, you can copy this if you want

Sieg 03-09-2018 06:39 PM

I voted for the Lotus with the Toyota motor. :sieg:

GregWeld 03-09-2018 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarhead (Post 674297)
""No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more weight and less power""

You are in your right mind Greg?

sorry I had to get on the band wagon :headspin::popcorn2:

:thumbsup:

I can't be too "right" Joe --- building two cars at the same time just proves it.

jarhead 03-10-2018 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 674312)
I can't be too "right" Joe --- building two cars at the same time just proves it.

Hey you are in good hands on both those builds, besides Now Ron is teasing both of us :D

This is going to be stellar :trophy-1302:

fleet 03-10-2018 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 674312)
I can't be too "right" Joe --- building two cars at the same time just proves it.

George Poteet would approve...Broh.


:D

gnx7 03-12-2018 11:01 AM

All fiberglass body! Is there a target weight wet with fluids less driver?

This is going to be a madman when it's done.

Ron Sutton 03-12-2018 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gnx7 (Post 674455)
All fiberglass body! Is there a target weight wet with fluids less driver?

This is going to be a madman when it's done.


If it was a "Race Only Car" we would build everything on the edge of being too light & constantly inspect, repair & replace ... and it would be 2400#. We're building this to be Greg's "Track Car" that he races in NASA's TTU class some. So we built it much more durable ... and safer. It will be about 2600#-2650#.

:cheers:


Ron Sutton 03-12-2018 03:21 PM

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These were beautiful photos ... and a relief .... to receive when we were thinking they were never going to get the body done.


Ron Sutton 03-12-2018 03:26 PM

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We had to measure the body ... to be absolutely sure ... of the dimensions for tire width, track width, etc ... before we built the clips. The day the body arrived, we measured it. The front & rear frame clips with suspension were done 2 days later.


FaBrycation 03-13-2018 06:32 AM

Cant wait to see this one on the track Greg.

GregWeld 03-13-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FaBrycation (Post 674481)
Cant wait to see this one on the track Greg.

It should be some fun huh!!! LOL

Where we meeting up next buddy???

FaBrycation 03-13-2018 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 674484)
It should be some fun huh!!! LOL

Where we meeting up next buddy???


I'll be doing Trick-Tools booths in Des Moines and Columbus. and then SEMA. will you be at any of those places?

GregWeld 03-13-2018 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FaBrycation (Post 674485)
I'll be doing Trick-Tools booths in Des Moines and Columbus. and then SEMA. will you be at any of those places?

The GoodGuys shows will depend on the truck.... I'd like to see it in "early truck" running.... And SEMA is an undecided yet --- frankly -- other than to see friends - it's boring - compared to (for me personally) PRI....

Do not take that as a knock on SEMA.... it's just not as relevant to me as PRI has become. I may end up doing both.... I've also scheduled FABTECH 2018 and have rooms for that already.

FaBrycation 03-13-2018 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 674486)
The GoodGuys shows will depend on the truck.... I'd like to see it in "early truck" running.... And SEMA is an undecided yet --- frankly -- other than to see friends - it's boring - compared to (for me personally) PRI....

Do not take that as a knock on SEMA.... it's just not as relevant to me as PRI has become. I may end up doing both.... I've also scheduled FABTECH 2018 and have rooms for that already.

I'd like to see your truck in that competition also. It's definitely got the right look.
I understand about SEMA. It's a great show for conducting business but I can not see most of it and be just fine with that. the duck will be back this year in the Trick-Tools booth. I am striving to have the fab 100% done. then do the final deets over the winter and then take it to Detroit.

Both PRI and FabTech are on my bucket list. I have yet to attend either.

Ron Sutton 03-15-2018 08:17 AM

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: NASA TTU & Track Days
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Here are some photos with the mid-frame structure done at Randy Chastain's "One-Off Customs" shop.

A few things that might not be apparent from the photos are:
* The outer rails are 2x2 x .120" wall
* The inner rails are 2x3 x .065" wall
* The cross bracing is 1x2 x .065" wall

The cross bracing is flush with the top rails, leaving a 1" void between the bottom of the outer rails & the bottom of the cross bracing. This is where we run the brake lines & car wiring to the rear for fuel pump, tail lights, etc.

The brake lines utilize two bulkhead fittings that go through the dog legs (at the firewall) & rear crossmember. The main fuse block, Holley ECU, No-Lift Shift Controller & Data Logger all mount on the backside of the firewall, in the cockpit & under the dash on a rubber insulated panel to reduce NVH to the electronics. The wiring goes through the floor & into to that same 1" void to the rear crossmember ... where it then goes into & through the rear frame rail back to the cell & tail lights.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...2&d=1521125979

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...3&d=1521126000

The engine & trans are just "mocked up" & locked in place in these photos. We do this so the actual engine & trans mounts can be built & the exhaust can be run. The headers & exhaust run down the center of the car.

Later, there will be a "tunnel backbone" structure built into the car. It gets super insulated to help keep the driver cool. Plus JET-HOT High Performance Coatings coats the headers & exhaust INSIDE & OUTSIDE with with their top line 2000° thermal barrier. This is to reduce heat transfer to the transmission & driver.

If you look close, you'll notice Randy fabricated a thin steel panel that attaches to the bottom & top of the fiberglass body rockers. The panel has 6 rivnuts in it to allow the chassis to bolt to the rockers. You can see the milled holes in the frame rails that allow access to these bolts from under the car (with the belly pan removed.) The body is NOT quickly removable. Impossible to seal off the cockpit if it was. But the body can be removed in about an hour if needed for crash repair.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...4&d=1521126061

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...5&d=1521126091



We're going to the Optima Ultimate Street Car event in Las Vegas for the weekend. So no updates until Monday.


FETorino 03-15-2018 01:15 PM

Ron

For the engine mounting it’s obvious you are using a front motor plate but what about out back?

Are you going to run a mid plate and suspend that unobtanium sequential or is that the start of a rear rubber insulator mounting point the transmission tail is resting on?

How much longer till the wings arrives? I want to see the wing.

Thankfully I will get to see this standing still because it seems obvious I won’t get close enough to see it on track. :waveflag:

Ron Sutton 03-15-2018 02:35 PM

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Hey One Eyed Rob !

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 674611)
Ron

For the engine mounting it’s obvious you are using a front motor plate but what about out back?
Good question. You need to be careful with how you mount engines & transmissions ... or stuff breaks. When I see people who go by the rule of "when it doubt ... make it stout" on race cars ... that often doesn't work out. Mounting the engine & transmission is a good example of that. If we mount the front of the block with a motor plate, the back with a mid plate & the transmission with a solid or rigid mount ... the chassis flex will break the transmission case.

What I have found works well is mounting the front of the block with a motor plate ... hanging 1 or 2 straps from the firewall cage bar to "help support" the back of the engine/front of trans with no added rigidity ... and supporting the back of the trans with a poly mount. That is what will be done here. With LS, we use one steel strap at the mid point. One end bolts to the top bellhousing bolt& the other end bolts to a bracket welded onto the firewall bar. See illustration below.



Are you going to run a mid plate and suspend that unobtanium sequential or is that the start of a rear rubber insulator mounting point the transmission tail is resting on?

How much longer till the wings arrives? I want to see the wing.
Wing arrives next week. But I'm not posting photos of it just yet.
Well ... I could be bribed. If you buy the beer next time we're at Thunderhill. :cheers:



Thankfully I will get to see this standing still because it seems obvious I won’t get close enough to see it on track. :waveflag:

LOL. It is going to be bad fast, compared to most. The cool thing is it will be confidence inspiring & comfortable to drive with all the tire, downforce & overall grip.

Give Greg a few weekends of track time to get used to it & he'll be damn fast.


FETorino 03-15-2018 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 674615)
Hey One Eyed Rob !



LOL. It is going to be bad fast, compared to most. The cool thing is it will be confidence inspiring & comfortable to drive with all the tire, downforce & overall grip.

Give Greg a few weekends of track time to get used to it & he'll be damn fast.


Hey. I’m probably closer to One .75 Eyed Rob and climbing right now Ron:catfight::lmao:

Thanks for the insight on the mounting. If you run a Front and mid plate on the motor what would you do with the transmission?

Ok. I’ll look for the wing pictures in my e-mail. You know I’ll buy you a Racer5 at the traditional Willow watering hole.

Greg is pretty good in the small tire yellow car so I’d bet you’re right, he should run well in TTU.

Goosesdad 03-15-2018 03:38 PM

Salivating.

Ron Sutton 03-15-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 674617)
Hey. I’m probably closer to One .75 Eyed Rob and climbing right now Ron:catfight::lmao:

Thanks for the insight on the mounting. If you run a Front and mid plate on the motor what would you do with the transmission?

Ok. I’ll look for the wing pictures in my e-mail. You know I’ll buy you a Racer5 at the traditional Willow watering hole.

Greg is pretty good in the small tire yellow car so I’d bet you’re right, he should run well in TTU.

If we run a rigid motor plate & mid plate, we "sit" the transmission on a rubber mount for support. No bolts.



DBasher 03-15-2018 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 674615)

Give Greg a few weekends of track time to get used to it & he'll be damn fast.

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Hell on wheels!

Thanks for sharing all of this, Ron.
:thumbsup::flag2:

Blake Foster 03-16-2018 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 674623)
If we run a rigid motor plate & mid plate, we "sit" the transmission on a rubber mount for support. No bolts.



yep that is how I have done it. Or like you said no mid plate then poly trans mount never solid trans mount

FETorino 03-19-2018 09:15 AM

I know those wing photos are about to get posted.

I showed you mine, let’s see yours. :rolleyes:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps2ddqk3aj.jpg

DBasher 03-19-2018 05:14 PM

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I’m ready.

DBasher 03-22-2018 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 673919)

Pull up a chair & grab some popcorn, because this is going to be a cool build in an amazing short time. :popcorn2:

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Is it done yet? :popcorn2:


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