I think what most are not realizing about all this 200 mph stuff floating around, is that's not what it is all about. In my case anyway. Much of the 200 mph stuff has come around due to the increase in standing mile participation.

I simply want to floor my car for one measly mile. Just like a TON of people do at the Texas Mile, Maxton Mile, and other events. Most people do not build a car specially for this, they just want to floor there car for one mile and see how fast it is going at the end. Some people go 140, some, 170, and some 200+. It all depends on the power output and the car type.:) Poeple do not go to this and do 5 test trial runs. They pull up to the line and GO. Just like I plan to.
In my case, looking for a "overdrive" trans, I am just looking to have a enough gear ratio to be able to run this without hitting redline at the quarter mile marker, like I have been doing with my 3 speed.
My plan is to get a trans with some additional gears, go to an event, get in line with the pile of other cars, and see what my speed is at the end. For me I am guessing about 200 mph.]
I personally am not out to just cruise around at 200 mph. I may never go that fast in my life. But I am going to do a standing mile event, I will see how much speed that brings. It would sure be foolish for me to go to this event with gearing to go only 1/4 mile.
MY plan, is to have the correct gearing for the estimated speed, and a 6 point bar and 5 point belt. That more then meets the safety requirments for this event. :D

That is why I am looking for some type of overdrive trans. With that, it will easily go 200 mph overall top speed.

Get R done and post the vid.

I will try. I will surely have a vid!!:D

Right! I'm getting Deja Vu with this post.

Just do it. :thumbsup:

If you only want to run balls out you need to look into the Texas mile. At Maxton they make you go 125-150-175-200. They let you keep going faster each run if you are driving ok and the car has proper parts to make it safe.
One thing that was kinda cool they did that was probably because I was new, the starter checked my belts and gear before he gave me the "the course is yours" at the start. In the drag car they look in the window sometimes, but most times they just wave me through.

Kurt

I hope you put a cage and safety equipment in the car before trying. I wish you luck but you've got a good thing going with the young wife and new baby and I'd hate to see you screw that up. The "no safety equipment" and your ignorance of aerodynamic effects at that speed scare the crap out of me.You seem to think because you have so much power your car will just squirt up to the speed easily in a mile and then right back down, so aero doesn't matter. Well it does and the amount of air you'll be packing under the hood will have that car going off road (my guess) unless you back out of the throttle. This is of course assuming you get anywhere near 200 mph.Good luck, but don't be stupid, you've got a lot to lose.Jody

What he said.

Are you going to add weight? What does the car weigh now?

When Jody built the Alumin8r with the ProCharged Arias 540, it would lose traction at 120mph. It would show up in the datalog as erratic rpm. With the wind load and your coefficient of drag up around 5 on that brick of a car, that should be a huge concern.

Charley has a street rod (or at least used to) that was a land speed car which had a lot of weight added. IIRC, there was an extra 800lbs or more added.

there was an article in a recent magazine about a muscle car (believe it was a first gen Camaro) that did the 200 mph deal. They added 1500 lbs of lead to the front subframe to get the weight up to 4800 lbs or so, to keep the front end planted. This was not for sustained 200 mph, just a run up to and back down.Jody

Someday, In a purpose-built car, I'd like to experience this kind of speed (200+), at Bonneville or similar, where there is nothing to run into. Anything else for me is just too scary.

Even on a nice, closed off straight piece of open road...lose a tire at that speed, you are definately going off road and most likely digging in and rolling the car as well...nooo thanks....it only has to happen once!

My car weighs 3800 with driver, 56% to the front. I am sure if that 1980 Granada I sent a pic of did it, I should be able to. I have not heard of a car flipping or getting airborne yet...have you? Video? The course is straight ans smooth, In 25 seconds it will be done start to finish. I do not hear of anyone adding weight for this 1 mile run.

I WILL have the required safety equipment. Should be a blast, All the guys I have talked to who did the mile said it was great and had no problems with being unstable or anything. I am not worried in the least.

I like you guys could never imagine someone trying to do this on an open public road. To much to possibly get in front of you. This type of thing should be done on a closed course equiped for this type of thing.

I can't wait, should be fun!! I jsut have to find the right trans setup before I myself can try the run!!:D

Well, a certain well known road race camaro, RJ Gottlieb's Big Red, went off road and immediately rolled big time, I think at the La Carrera road race, in like 1989 or so. At that time, it was not the full-tube purpose-built car that it is today. It was more "stock" camaro than not, with a 540 big block.

At that speed, if you leave the road, it's pretty much a given that some very exciting things are going to happen.

But since you are "not worried in the least", why should I have anything to say about it, right?

Good luck, damn the torpedos, good luck and godspeed. Can't wait to see the vid.

He went off the road in a 1 mile closed course going 200 mph?? What happened that make it crash??

A C6Z will run 200.in right about a mile

I would guess about 180'ish myself.

This sounds Evil Kneivel ish, alot of should do's and hope too's. Seriously you need to address the issues Jody brings up before you kill yourself, no chit.

Get R done meant enough bench racing, address the issues and let her rip if that is really what you want to do.

What does your wife think??

no, takes well over a mile to hit 200.

Jody

My cars aero is way better than a new Z06 and it took 640hp at the flywheel to break 200. A stock Z06 would not go 200 in stock form in a standing mile although it is one bad hot rod.
The Chevelle with a cow catcher and the grill blocked with the suspension slammed to the ground might make 200, but your taking a ton of risk if you just drive up stock and try it. I think it will start to spin the tires at high speed just from the air its pushing.
If you bring the Chevelle to my shop in Michigan we can run the car on my chassis dyno with aero load up to 200mph and it will tell me how much distance and time it took. It is impossible to crash during this test!

Kurt

It might have, I wasn't really paying attention to it,but it will run.

The car is full bolt on car,we did it from a dead stop,on the highway about 2.30 in the morning,I was driving it,but it will run 200

I don't think it took more than 2 miles,she haulin,.

I believe GM got a stock ZO6 to 199.6 top speed .

not in a standing mile, which is what kurt and I were referring to.

Jody

At the 0-200-0 event a well driven stock Z06 went 158 in the mile.

You say you haven't heard of a car flipping over & want video proof it can happen???

Some of you guys may already have seen this, but here's a racing Mercedes Benz CLR at Le Mans in 1999.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

That car had millions spent on it & had a full aero package, but was able to lift at around 200mph. Your car is home built with NO aero devices at all & has all the aerodynamics of a brick. Your suspension package isn't capable of doing 200mph safely. You've been banging on for ages now about this 200mph run & EVERYONE has told you to reconsider, no one has thought it was a cool idea. They're ALL car guys with a lot of experience with high speed cars, take some advice & stop trying to be the big man by talking nonsense about your car being able to run 200 easily. If it was so easy, the manufacturers like Ferrari, Mc Laren, Bugatti etc would just build high powered engines like you to say they can run 200. Why don't they just do that??? 'cos it a total package & far more than just power to run these numbers.
You have a lovely wife & family, accidents DO happen & you may not live to tell the tale. Take up the offer to run 200 on the dyno instead & live a long life with your young family. People are probably getting bored now by your bravado.:_paranoid

:_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid

Some of you need to chill!
Bravado! I am not on here posting all the time saying I can do 200 and nobody else can or anything like that.
I only start getting saying how powerful my car is when someone says I can't do a standing mile, or shooting me down. Who woud'nt get defensive? It pisses me off, but maybe that's what you goals are, I don't know. I have been asking what other people are doing to there cars to go 200, and asking what transmissions people are using with BIG power with an overdrive.:mad: What the hells wrong with that? That deserves negative or doubtfull comments?? I did not ask for someone to give me permission.
From a small few of you, all I get is that I either do not have the power, or my car will take off and I will be flying with the birds! I did not ask for those comments. If you have nothing positive to say, Shut up!
People do the standing mile ALL the time. I am going to try it to. It's not that damn big of a deal. Drag cars are doing 180+ all the time, 1500+ horsepower trying as hard as it can to do flip it the car into a wheel stand at that speed, noses in the air, they do it every day! Why don't you tell them they should not do that?

All I am saying is enough for the negative "The standing mile can't be done with your car because it's not shaped like the space shuttle" comments.

Look up all the online videos of other cars doing the standing mile and then make your judgements. Real cars, doing a real standing mile.

And you guys ragging on me because I say my car will go 200, when you say it won't, get real, it will, it's mathmatical fact! If you do not believe it, I don't really care anymore, do some research.

You wanna rag on someone...Rag on Rocketman, he's going 200 in a stock vette over a 2 mile span on a public road!!:willy: :_paranoid

To all those who have supported me in my questions with positive info and help, THANK YOU! I really do appreciate it.:D

Nitro - This isn't a rag in any way but just an observation so please take it as such!

I think what the guys are saying is that what you want to do is VERY dangerous undertaking! Yes, I know you know this but do you REALLY understand the consequences? I think what they are also trying to say is that from what they have read in your posts, and with their many years of experience, they feel that your car is really not equipped to go that fast SAFELY! Of course, the choice is yours to make as it is your life but I think the guys are just trying to keep you out of harms way so please don't take it as them ragging on you! They don't want you to get hurt and they have seen how others have told you why you shouldn't do this but you haven't really responded in a way that shows that you are actually taking these peoples advice into consideration and this is what is pissing them off! Again, it is your life and if you feel that this is one of those things that will make it complete then more power to you but I just wanted to maybe help in making you understand where these guys are coming from. BTW I also think that it may not be such a good idea trying to hit 200 mph. You know you've got the motor for it so leave it at that but if you must PLEASE do it safely!:thumbsup:

was just watching some strret racing vids, 200mph seem's pretty easy these days if you have the money because the tech is availible. i'm not saying reaching 200mph safley is easy, cause as we have seen people are not always as concerned with saftey as speed.

So even though we know that it's completely unsafe for you to do this, if we do not agree with you then we cannot post in your thread?

You've got a lot to learn. I'll say it, you will not hit 200 mph in the standing mile. Has nothing to do with HP, even though your claimed 1000 hp with a stock engine has never been proved. It does have to do with the enormous amount of air that will get under the front of the car and render the handling deadly.

You don't understand it, you don't agree with it, and you'll likely find out the hard way. But that's your right. My guess is if you're smart you'll get the crap scared out of you around 170 mph or so and back out of the throttle. If you're "brave" enough to just keep your foot planted you may not get a full mile down the road.

Bottom line, I'm leaving this info here so that if you do have any issues at least this site doesn't become part of a lawsuit from your family for promoting you to do this. And you mentioned you will have all the safety equipment required so when is the cage going in the car? You were adament about not having one earlier.

I will actually be surprised if any association lets you even try the way your car is now once they figure out you have enough power to get very unstable on the top end.

If you don't like the comments please post elsewhere. Whether you understand it or not we are trying to prevent you from killing yourself.

Jody

bonified 200mph blast
http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race...Race01%20Movie

I think what you and Nitro aren't understanding is that to go that fast you need to not only have the horses to get her up but you need a means of keeping the tires planted so that you can keep her in a straight line! Most of the videos that have been posted are cars that have some means of keeping the car planted on the ground. This is what Jody and the guys are trying to get across to Nitro! Be it weight, a wing, whatever he needs keep the car from lifting. He needs to address this and other issues(Brakes come to mind!) to do this SAFELY before he even attempts to go this fast!

yes i understand what you are saying and agree but all you need is money or know how, it's not that hard any more or as it used to be. all the parts are available

i think what you guys are not understanding is that 8sec 170mph street cars are a dime a dozen, change a few things and a couple of extra miles and alot of money and wahla! it may not be safe, the driver is probably stupid or ignorant or what ever but it can be done. the point is most people here on this board do it safley with proper enginering and such but the reality is, most people don't.

200 is slow, how about 400
This guy parked next to us at Bonneville
http://www.scta-bni.org/news/411.wmv

exactly, i love watching 32 fords run 200+mph
http://www.roadsters.com/jolliffe.jpg

Exactly.....noone is saying that he doesn't have the grunt to get it up there but on the way up he may lose it because he doesn't have the proper aero to keep it planted! So let's say he gets it to 200 mph, how's he going to slow it down without frying the stock brakes? Is he going to outfit it with a 'chute? This is what the guys are saying! Noone doubts that he has the motor to do it rather can he do it SAFELY! I agree with the guys that Nitro needs to address these issues first and then INCREMENTALLY try and get his car to hit the 200 mph mark. This is the safest way of doing that so that whatever issues that pop up don't pop up at speed and can be addressed so that when he does hit it nothing will go wrong and he won't end up as a stain on the wall!!! Liken his approach to jumping out of an airplane with a 'chute that he packed and no reserve 'chute! Pretty dicey but can it be done? Sure, but your taking a huge chance! Why not do it safely! It will be much more enjoyable to all who watch!(Especially his wife and kid(s))

agreed, it's just the way some people make statements sometimes, it sounds like the 200mph club is unreachable and sometimes i generalize too much. yes fine tuning suspension, arodynamics, braking, safety and so forth are just as important, time consuming, exspensive and tedious but i think the point we are trying to make is people can hit the 200mph mark pretty easy, it's living to tell about it that can be difficult

Theirs and my point exactly! I think a lot of guys forget that having a motor that big brings a responsibilty to not only going fast but stopping fast! They forget that a car is a collection of systems that need to work flawlessly between each other. This is my concern with Nitro! He seems to feel that because he has the motor and will have a tranny to get there that's all he needs. All I'm saying is put some thought into keeping the car planted, as the guys and jody have also said!

agreed and too add a little something, body style and motor size do not really matter anymore as long as you have quality enginering and enough HP....

Are you seriously comparing a stock bodied Chevelle to an NHRA pro stock car that has been methodically engineered by some of the greatest minds in drag racing over the course of decades to run exactly 1320 feet in the quickest elapsed time possible??? Apples and oranges doesn't even sum it up.

If you really want to see what you're up against, look at this Road & Track Standing Mile test from 2005 where they ran 13 cars and a bike over a standing mile.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1
A very aerodynamic Jaguar Trans Am racecar only went in the 170s and to get a little more aero, they removed the rear wing and the driver said it was spinning the rear tires at the 180 and couldn't pick up another mph. And that was a very slippery, purpose-built, high speed, roadrace car.
The only 3 cars to break 200 were a Champ Car, A TT Saleen S7 and a 1000hp TT Viper which are all infinitely more aerodynamic than a stock Chevelle.