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tones2SS 12-27-2011 06:34 PM

Another version of BB?! Sounds good to me. Version one as KILLER!:thumbsup:
I can only imagine how sick this one will turn out.

Kendall Burleson 12-28-2011 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 386418)
Kendall! Dude!! You mean that Odessa and Midland are not just the sweet spots of America?? :rofl: :rofl:

I once drove my BMW 2002 thru there -- I had to wear a bandana over my nose and mouth to keep the dust out.... the front of my car looked like it was sand blasted. I had to follow a big truck 'cause all I could see was the tail lights!

After choking thru this bungholio -- I ended up in Dallas.... and it rained... the entire town turned into "west texas red dirt". :rolleyes:

No Odessa and Midland are not the sweet spot just stay on 10 east. bypass the dust and rain and head to the hills county you will love the view.The ride is good also:yes: :yes: :yes:

Cris@JCG 12-28-2011 09:52 PM

I figured that traffic was gonna be heavy.. Next time you can pay us a visit..


Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryce (Post 386385)
I was 20 miles from your shop and it was another hour of traffic. the 101 was rediculous yesterday at 1pm. I had the wife and 3 month old with me I did not want to push my luck. HAHA.

I am bummed I did not stop by. Sorry Cris.

Looking forward to hanging out with you Greg!

Why don't you stop by the shop & pick up BB & take it to TX in your new totohome? I will fly to in! :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 386400)
Only 20 hour drive to Texas???? I've got far farther than that and I'm bringing the wife?!?!?!?! :rolleyes:

The drive will be worth it - 'cause we'll get to hang together!:D


Nice new project! Way to score!

Kendall I have driven twice from Brownsville TX(hometown) to Oxnard CA... 27 hours straight.. Let's just say I am not for long distance driving.. But this trip will be worth it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendall Burleson (Post 386413)
20 HOURS IS NOTHING IT THE LAST 8 HOUR ONCE YOU PASS LE PASO,TEXAS.make sure you fill up in LE PASO it not many places you can get fuel before you get to Kerrville.Texas about 550 miles to the 501 exit:yes: :yes:


Gandalf 12-28-2011 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 386418)
I once drove my BMW 2002 thru there -- I had to wear a bandana over my nose and mouth to keep the dust out.... the front of my car looked like it was sand blasted. I had to follow a big truck 'cause all I could see was the tail lights!

After choking thru this bungholio -- I ended up in Dallas.... and it rained... the entire town turned into "west texas red dirt". :rolleyes:

Yikes!! I was half tempted to earn my RatPack stripes on this trip and drive the car out but you might just have put me off with this single post Greg :wow:

Gregg

GregWeld 12-28-2011 11:07 PM

Come on Gregg! No guts no glory buddy! :lol:


Truthfully though -- it was a trip I'll never forget... I was driving from Seattle via LA - to Mississippi (to see a fellow ham radio buddy) - and then on to my new job in NYC....but that TEXAS dust storm just about did me in!

Kendall Burleson 12-29-2011 06:46 AM

Gregg just on it the speed limit is I think it 80 mph after Le Paso let it hang out.:unibrow: :unibrow: :unibrow:

Cris@JCG 12-29-2011 10:40 PM

We got some "DAMM" good brakes now! Sorry for the crappy videos.. but my buddy shot them on his phone...

We were bedding in the race pads.. I turned the rotors blue from getting them hot..




Cris@JCG 12-29-2011 11:10 PM

I figured I would share some brake components used on the 68 Camaro..

Front Brake kit: Wilwood C6 Corvette road race brake kit, 14.00 diameter rotor with floating hat/rotor x 1.25 thk rotor, 15H pads with W6A calipers with thermlock pistons, 1.62/1.12/1/12 pistons

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1891.jpg

Rear Brake kit: rear kit was put together from a list of components I wanted to use, 12.88 diameter rotor x .810 thk rotor( wanted to keep rotational weight down), BSL caliper with 1.12 pistons, 15E pads,.. The goal for the use of these parts was to keep piston knock back down to a minimal & keep rotational weight down.. Plus you don’t need a lot of rear brake.. We were not trying to fill up the wheel with brakes.. wanted function & reduced weight.. Waiting for the rear floating hat combo from Wilwood.. That will also help with piston knock back.. There are a few other things I also did that I will disclose later when I know it works

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1893.jpg

The Master cylinder is a 7/8 bore.. Worked out great.. Got about 3/8 “ travel for brakes to start stopping the car… ½ “ travel & it is nosing down the front of the car..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1906.jpg

Kendall Burleson 12-30-2011 08:10 AM

cool stuff I want to see in person.:hail: :hail: :hail:

Cris@JCG 01-03-2012 03:00 PM

Yenko version of BB!
 
I had Ben do this for me to see how a Yenko theme 68 Camaro of BB would look like! I really like the way Ben carried over the hump of the Stinger too the header panel!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ennkofront.jpg

Kendall Burleson 01-03-2012 05:07 PM

That is cool:yes: Are the wheels Pontiac type are you doing aftermarket wheels.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cris@JCG 01-10-2012 09:15 AM

Last week we tore down the front sheetmetal on the 68... We had a few issues from the first drive.. Tires were rubbing on the inner fender wells.. We had been playing around with it to see if we could keep them from rubbing.. At Delmar when David was Autocrossing it I could see smoke coming from the front tire rub.. At that point I knew we were going to take off the wells & modify them.. plus I had a leak on the oil thermostat.. So I am re-locating it so that I have acess & can view it @ anytime..

It would have been nice to just run a new set of inner fender wells from Anvil but I could not do it because of fender mount to inner fender well was totally different.. So we modified them for tire clearance.. but @ the same time wanted to remove some weight.. I called Brett Campbell from Fab53 to see if he could do a set for me in fiberglass.. Brett does some real nice fiberglass! Plus now I have the molds to do another set for BB II..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1943.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...downsize-2.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/downsize.jpg

KPC67 01-10-2012 01:10 PM

The fiberglass inners look great so far.
What exactly was the issue with the Anvil inners? I was wondering if I should buy some or make a glass pair...

Cris@JCG 01-10-2012 04:16 PM

No issues with Anvil inners.. Remember that I stretched the front fenders on this car.. so we had to custom build the outer portion of the inner to match to the fender stretch..



Quote:

Originally Posted by KPC67 (Post 388963)
The fiberglass inners look great so far.
What exactly was the issue with the Anvil inners? I was wondering if I should buy some or make a glass pair...


Track Junky 01-10-2012 04:22 PM

Great work as usual Chris. Got a question for you........Do you think Bret could use the stretched front fenders as a mold and build fiberglasss front fenders?

Cris@JCG 01-10-2012 06:19 PM

Gaetano- If Brett would have had the time.. we would have tried to get the front fenders & lower valance done.. Brett had some work going on right now.. I got him to squeeze this job in for me.. but we will have front fender in glass on phase II of this car... Right now we just want to get it done & ready to attend some events..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 388988)
Great work as usual Chris. Got a question for you........Do you think Bret could use the stretched front fenders as a mold and build fiberglasss front fenders?


Flash68 01-10-2012 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 388988)
Great work as usual Chris. Got a question for you........Do you think Bret could use the stretched front fenders as a mold and build fiberglasss front fenders?

I like your thinking. :D

KPC67 01-10-2012 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 388987)
No issues with Anvil inners.. Remember that I stretched the front fenders on this car.. so we had to custom build the outer portion of the inner to match to the fender stretch..

I see now, I just was a little unclear as to why they didn't work for you.
Thanks for clearing that up.

EBMC 01-10-2012 08:56 PM

I kinda like it without the front end on! Looks killer Chris!:thumbsup:

Kendall Burleson 01-11-2012 07:25 AM

Can't wait to see it in person great job!!!!!!!:yes: :yes:

Cris@JCG 01-11-2012 09:58 AM

Steve- I think it would be faster & would have not to modified no inner wells!:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBMC (Post 389070)
I kinda like it without the front end on! Looks killer Chris!:thumbsup:

Be seeing you soon Kendall! Looking forward to eating alot of my favorite foods from home!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendall Burleson (Post 389121)
Can't wait to see it in person great job!!!!!!!:yes: :yes:


67zo6Camaro 01-12-2012 11:11 PM

I just got back from a visit to JCG tonight. Dropped of the new fiberglass inner fenders. They weigh only 3.5 lbs each as opposed to the +-13 to 15 lb original metal ones. That's a front end weight savings of +-20 lbs. Wow. I'm very excited that Chris asked me to make the light weight inner fenders for Blu Balz.

So, if you don't mind I will add a few pictures of them.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2411.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2413.jpg

Cris thanks again for giving Fab53.com a chance to work on your project.

preston 01-13-2012 09:24 AM

Those look nice.

At 3.5 lbs that kind of makes a CF pair look like overkill.
Other than looks (which can be accomplished with just a cosmetic layer).

Come to think of it, there is enough CF in this engine bay to maybe justify a cosmetic layer on these as well. I suppose in reality you could save another 5 lbs with vacuum bagged full zoot set, but now I'm getting carried away.

Tuske427 01-14-2012 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 389423)
I just got back from a visit to JCG tonight. Dropped of the new fiberglass inner fenders. They weigh only 3.5 lbs each as opposed to the +-13 to 15 lb original metal ones. That's a front end weight savings of +-20 lbs. Wow. I'm very excited that Chris asked me to make the light weight inner fenders for Blu Balz.

So, if you don't mind I will add a few pictures of them.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2411.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2413.jpg

Cris thanks again for giving Fab53.com a chance to work on your project.

Those look great, Brett!!

Bow Tie 67 01-14-2012 07:54 AM

Nice!! Chris whats the car weigh?

I've been away from the forum since after Sema, I noticed a mention of autocross. How did the car do? was it a competition?

Matt

Cris@JCG 01-14-2012 08:43 AM

Brett- Thanks Again for taking the job on .. on such sort notice.. I very happy with the outcome of the new inner wells.. Looking forward to doing some more work together..


[QUOTE=67zo6Camaro;389423]I just got back from a visit to JCG tonight. Dropped of the new fiberglass inner fenders. They weigh only 3.5 lbs each as opposed to the +-13 to 15 lb original metal ones. That's a front end weight savings of +-20 lbs. Wow. I'm very excited that Chris asked me to make the light weight inner fenders for Blu Balz.

If we would have had more time.. maybe we would have layered in some CF..

Quote:

Originally Posted by preston (Post 389471)
Those look nice.

At 3.5 lbs that kind of makes a CF pair look like overkill.
Other than looks (which can be accomplished with just a cosmetic layer).

Come to think of it, there is enough CF in this engine bay to maybe justify a cosmetic layer on these as well. I suppose in reality you could save another 5 lbs with vacuum bagged full zoot set, but now I'm getting carried away.

Matt- The car came in at 3650.. I was hoping to come in lighter.. But the car has a nice balance.. We will run it in this weight for this year & looking on what will be done on phase II.. If all goes well BB II should be lighter & faster so that we can leave this one alone.. BB II will maybe done 2013 in Feb.. Maybe!

The first time out on the Autocross still needed tuning.. so we could not push it hard.. In the next few weeks we will be putting thru real testing.. It was at the Delmar goodguys car show..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bow Tie 67 (Post 389654)
Nice!! Chris whats the car weigh?

I've been away from the forum since after Sema, I noticed a mention of autocross. How did the car do? was it a competition?

Matt


SLO_Z28 01-15-2012 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 389659)
B
In the next few weeks we will be putting thru real testing..

Speaking of, I missed your text from the other day somehow, I will text you that phone number at something other than a god aweful hour :thumbsup:


Those fenders are pretty hot!

Cris@JCG 01-25-2012 04:56 PM

Been working on wraping up the interior on the 68... Got the stereo system done.. got the correct fuel gage in.. finished the A/C system.. & got all the fire system on the car..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1971.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1970.jpg

Got all the front sheet metal back on the car.. The new inner wells fit perfect! No modifications.. Thanks Brett @ Fab53! no more tire rub either..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_1972.jpg

I just got back from having the car on the chassis dyno... The Mustang Dyno gave 495 RWHP.. I was told that is pretty good.. I wanted more! But I guess that is not bad for a Stock LS7 that was just blueprinted & cammed!



GregWeld 01-25-2012 05:01 PM

Mostly what ya got is dirty feet!

Look at the prints in that picture! Car will never be the same now.... :D

Gandalf 01-25-2012 05:15 PM

Very healthy engine Chris! Well done.

G.

Track Junky 01-25-2012 05:16 PM

Man that car is pretty :thumbsup: . Awesome interior, engine compartment, etc, etc..

Are you not running a passenger seat?

Also wondering why the car is so heavy. Your an easy 600 lbs heavier than me. I always thought the 67's and 68's were alot lighter than the '69's.

Casanova claims to be around 3600 also.

Ron in SoCal 01-25-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 391773)
Man that car is pretty :thumbsup: . Awesome interior, engine compartment, etc, etc..

Yeah man...:thumbsup:

For whatever reason, the Mustang Dyno often reads 20-30 HP lower than Dynojet/Superflow. I've been in that car and it hauls balls, so you're probably at 600 at the crank. Not bad Cris! Can you post up a Torque curve?

tones2SS 01-25-2012 06:17 PM

Man that engine bay is very nice.

GregWeld 01-25-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 391788)
Yeah man...:thumbsup:

For whatever reason, the Mustang Dyno often reads 20-30 HP lower than Dynojet/Superflow. I've been in that car and it hauls balls, so you're probably at 600 at the crank. Not bad Cris! Can you post up a Torque curve?

It has been tested and proven that the MUSTANG DYNO measures more accurately than a Dynojet... So if "lower" is a bad thing --- I'd say I'd rather have more accurate readings than just the garage bragging rights of a false higher number.

I won't thread jack with a dyno discussion -- and I didn't cut and paste all the resulting documentation - but this test is just one of many...

West Automotive Performance Engineering has developed a proprietary device that independently measures a vehicle's actual speed and acceleration. This device is similar in operation to a fifth wheel but doesn't use accelerometers that can be influenced by the vehicle's body tilt. Using the vehicle's speed, acceleration, and weight (mass) and the application of simple physics equations, the exact horsepower and torque can be calculated. The horsepower and torque measured by West Automotive Performance Engineering's dyno is actually the horsepower made-good, or the horsepower left over to accelerate the vehicle after all the aerodynamic and rolling-friction losses have been overcome. These losses were accounted for and included West Automotive Performance Engineering's dyno so that a comparison with a chassis dynamometer can be made. The Mustang dyno includes the aerodynamic load that it places on the drivetrain as part of its reported rear-wheel horsepower and torque. Stated another way, the Mustang dyno does not measure the horsepower made-good.
Graphs 7 and 10 show the horsepower and torque versus rpm in Second and Third gear, respectively, for the Dynojet dyno, the Mustang dyno, and from road testing with the dyno from West Automotive Performance Engineering. You can see that the horsepower and the torque, as measured on the road, are closer to the Mustang dyno measurements. Also from the acceleration tests you can see how the Mustang dyno loads the vehicle very closely to how it will be actually loaded on the road. Based on our test data, the Mustang dyno loaded our test vehicle and measured the rearwheel horsepower closer to what the vehicle experiences on the road.

tmadden 01-25-2012 06:30 PM

Engine bay is neat and clean. Very well done.

Ron in SoCal 01-25-2012 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 391795)
It has been tested and proven that the MUSTANG DYNO measures more accurately than a Dynojet... So if "lower" is a bad thing --- I'd say I'd rather have more accurate readings than just the garage bragging rights of a false higher number.

I won't thread jack with a dyno discussion -- and I didn't cut and paste all the resulting documentation - but this test is just one of many...

West Automotive Performance Engineering has developed a proprietary device that independently measures a vehicle's actual speed and acceleration. This device is similar in operation to a fifth wheel but doesn't use accelerometers that can be influenced by the vehicle's body tilt. Using the vehicle's speed, acceleration, and weight (mass) and the application of simple physics equations, the exact horsepower and torque can be calculated. The horsepower and torque measured by West Automotive Performance Engineering's dyno is actually the horsepower made-good, or the horsepower left over to accelerate the vehicle after all the aerodynamic and rolling-friction losses have been overcome. These losses were accounted for and included West Automotive Performance Engineering's dyno so that a comparison with a chassis dynamometer can be made. The Mustang dyno includes the aerodynamic load that it places on the drivetrain as part of its reported rear-wheel horsepower and torque. Stated another way, the Mustang dyno does not measure the horsepower made-good.
Graphs 7 and 10 show the horsepower and torque versus rpm in Second and Third gear, respectively, for the Dynojet dyno, the Mustang dyno, and from road testing with the dyno from West Automotive Performance Engineering. You can see that the horsepower and the torque, as measured on the road, are closer to the Mustang dyno measurements. Also from the acceleration tests you can see how the Mustang dyno loads the vehicle very closely to how it will be actually loaded on the road. Based on our test data, the Mustang dyno loaded our test vehicle and measured the rearwheel horsepower closer to what the vehicle experiences on the road.


Is that opinion or fact? j/k! :lol:

Good stuff Greg!

Vegas69 01-25-2012 07:14 PM

Not bad for a weak big block.

GregWeld 01-25-2012 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 391801)
Is that opinion or fact? j/k! :lol:

Good stuff Greg!

I was going to buy a dyno for my shed.... so did some thorough investigating. The definitive answer is = nobody really knows.

The right answer is -- dyno's are used for TUNING -- and if the numbers get bigger when you make a change - then you're headed in the right direction. That's how they should be used.

Having said that -- the numbers are always fun!

That's a fact.

GregWeld 01-25-2012 07:25 PM

btw -- Killer Build Cris!

Flash68 01-25-2012 08:07 PM

Yeah she's a little dirty in there Cris. Come on. :lol:

How many and where are all your nozzles on the fire system?


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