Is it wrong to laugh hes out of business. I mean I feel bad just for one reason he does have some knowledge in his head for some car stuff ... almost like a waste of talent . Otherwise Haha jerk, serves you right

Gotcha, didn't realize the car hadn't made it to speedtech yet

Just out of morbid curiosity...the move that Ron made to the new facility recently...was that a bigger/better facility, or was he perhaps downsizing? Anyone actually see his new facility?

So basically — his “gal Friday” or whatever you wanted to call her — is Randys (One off customs in Sacramento) girlfriend - who used to be store manager for Sutton when he had some retail store at one of the dirt tracks == and Randy is/was his “chassis” builder.... and the whole operation was run out of a small “hot rod” (there weren’t any) shop in Sacramento area. In other words — it was Ron and Randy - and recently Ron had hired a guy to answer phones and ship stuff.

He’s out of business.... and you won’t be reading or hearing from him again.

He owes a lot of people....

I agree that it was a doggone shame at how he went down. And while people will blame me — they should really look at Sutton and how he was conducting business. While he stated he was no “Frank @ Prodigy” — the actual facts are that he was exactly that. Robbing one guy to pay the other — and he’d never ever be able to catch up - because the more the business grew - the more he owed. Fixing my POS alone would be 10’s of 1000’s.... and that would just have come out of the next sale to the next guy and so on.

When you don’t do what you say you’re going to do — or do what you say you can do.... and deliver peoples parts and products and services. You go out of business.

Like the drivers for his old race business found out —— he was just full of bull**** and marketing lines.

Lots going on with this thread and build and sorry that it went the way it did. One point that I wanted to make is that there is a fair amount of merit in the use of the Accel/Deccel design that Ron made for the car. See pic below from Keyser and how they did it. I use a variation of this pretty successfully.

What type of car and what series(s) are you running in Philip?

I race a 1991 Camaro with SCCA in American Sedan. Best finish is 2nd at MO in the SCCA National Championship Runoffs. Was able to beat John Heinricy that year but finished behind Andy McDermid.

Any Update on the D/m??

Well RON SUTTON did not design this.... Not sure who was first - but these types of rear ends have been around — but not widely used — for a long time. A quote from Jerry Miller (transAm car builder / owner / racer) “we tried them in the ‘80’s.... they didn’t do any better than anything else — and were overly complicated with too many moving parts”. I would wholeheartedly agree with this assessment. Basically Sutton picked this design because it is not widely used or known about — making him a “bottle neck” for info and parts... just setting a hook to your wallet and creating dependency on “him” for knowledge.

This about it — if these were so friggin much better — and someone ran it and beat all comers — the next season they’d be in every car..... While in fact - I challenge anyone to find guys running it or that know ANYTHING about them.

WE here and most PT forum people are not pro racers with teams of specialists at our disposal.... and we don’t get paid big bucks from sponsors... and there’s no TV time for “winning”....... so even if someone could rub my nose in it and say — SEE HERE — this guy wins everything and he’s running it..... We’re amateurs — running for ZERO dollars.... so .1 of second faster is hardly a big deal to us. In other words — just about 100% of everyone would be just as fast with some “normal” set up.

We don’t get endless track days to set this kind of stuff up and work out all the kinks.... and I defy anyone to find someone to help them do that even if they wanted to.

I’m glad it’s working for you....

BY THE WAY —- anyone that wants to is free to Google “decoupled 3 link” — and about all you’ll find is Sutton..... that should tell you all you need to know.

This thread seems to have taken over the updates Shane.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57146

Sorry Shane — I didn’t want to give Sutton ANY credit or have him connected in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM to the car anymore..... His build (This thread) was a complete unmitigated disaster..... So I started a new thread with the rebuild per the post Flash68 (Dave) just posted for you with a link to that thread.

There’s NOTHING to learn from this thread except HOW NOT TO..... LOL —- sadly — I’m serious.

End of Story !!!!…….

Just sold for 55k.

didn't know it was going across the block!

Good car to forget as it wasted so much of Greg's time & energy!

Didn't know it was selling either.

That was crazy cheap. Could have bought that and steel bodied about any shell on it.

I was there, surprised when I saw it and even more surprised when I saw the hammer price.

Just horrible timing...

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The man is gone and he is still taking care of others. The world needs more like him.

Very well said...
I missed the car. Been watching for hours and never saw it. $45k? Might as well had been free. Someone stole it.

55k...

I videoed the auction but frankly it isnt worth uploading. The girls from the Charity spoke for a bit about what they do, the guy said about 3 things about the car and it was over about a minute later.

Wish I had a bidders pass...

Charley, did you grab it by chance?

From my understanding, he's more of a truck guy. :sarcasm_smiley:

No I didn’t get it. I have no use for it. I didn’t recognize the guy. In reality that is a lot of money for just a track car.

Unlike B-J - they work the Charity Cars for all the $$$

Absolutely! The World needs a lot more like him, but a few would be nice!

was this Greg growing up?

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I doubt he was tall enough to ride that. If there where 2x4 blocks tapped to the pedals, I'd say yes.

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Funny. I know if Greg we’re here, he’d click on that and smile.

What happened with the yellow mustang?

I know that Greg agreed to sell it to a friend while we were all out at Sonoma last June. They seemed very happy to get it and Greg was happy to see it go to a good home.

It was sold and is in the Portland area now and currently undergoing some minor changes to pass tech to run some vintage classes up that way.

Damn 55k for the DM is crazy. I’m sure I’m not alone in that I would have bought it for that price since Speedtech went through the whole car 😳

I agree totally. The drivetrain alone is worth more than selling price. It’s a very well sorted, ridiculously fast car. SpeedTech added tremendous value to the car.

Race cars don't bring the PT prices... you guys know that.

IMO, Speedtech did the best they could with a very tight timeline (kudos to those guys, class acts) but this thing was not well sorted at the end..... still needed work and further changes.

Darrell wheeled it the best he could with what it had those last couple events/weekends, but he's regularly much faster with much "lesser" cars, if you follow me.

Sutton is a POS. The end.

Salute to Sutton

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