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Sieg 04-23-2015 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 603308)
Judging by your control arms and bump stops, you have way more rebound than compression available in your suspension. Is your shock in the same place in the stroke? Let's pretend you have 1.5 inches of compression left at the wheel. That will likely result in half that at the grease zerk?

Taking some measurements and then running the suspension through its range without the springs will allow you to dial it all in. Raising the car will need to happen either way if you want to be anywhere close to your shock sweet spot and greatest handling capabilities.

Now that I've removed MY speculation by putting it on it's own weight and seen the clearance issues first hand, the spring spacers and shorter bump stops are in transit. That's certainly not going to make it ideal but it may be an improvement from the original setup and where it sits currently. Far from ideal, but with the firmer springs and spacers it could deliver twice the compression travel of the original setup and be in the softer valving range of the shock depending on how the Koni's stacks are setup. Won't know until it's on the ground and driven a bit......hopefully the springs don't dramatically settle into the pockets even though I've tried to put them in their 'sweet' spot.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 603308)
This is why people buy subframes. :sarcasm_smiley:

.......and adjustable coil overs
.......or C5 Z06's
.......or Miata's in my situation. :D

Sieg 04-23-2015 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 603314)
As long as you don't drop it too fast off the floor jack....I don't see any issues.

:twak: :thankyou:

GregWeld 04-23-2015 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 603337)
.......or C5 Z06's
.......or Miata's in my situation. :D



I bought an entire car (Hobaugh's Miata) for HALF what a DSE sub costs... and if it gets damaged at a non insured track event (many of you readers fail to consider that!) I could just cover it with dirt and leave it where it wrecked.

Sieg 04-23-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 603344)
I could just cover it with dirt and leave it where it wrecked.

My CPA has run his Boxster at PIR and The Ridge and really enjoys it. I asked him if he was insuring it at track days and he said insurance is available but hasn't. I told him about your Miata purchase and this exact quote which created brief laughter followed by a moment of silence when the logic and reality hit him. :D

SSLance 04-23-2015 08:09 AM

I've ran both ways, with and without track insurance.

At least around here, the clinker seems to be timing and scoring device included or no.

No transponder = insurance available, event with transponder = no insurance available.

Sieg 04-23-2015 09:17 AM

Modern logistics amazes me......ordered the spacers and stops from Summit yesterday at 1:35 pm and they're delivered to my door this morning at 8:35 am via standard shipping.

Panteracer 04-23-2015 09:46 AM

Norwood
 
I checked into insurance for the Track and Dot road race tires
and running in the Race group will not allow you to have the
insurance... Just had the Pantera appraised and my appraiser
has an insurance guy who said once it is loaded off the trailer
at the track you are on your own... another buddy said you
can get it for the Paddock.. big deal

I often think of this when the car is buried into a turn with a
guy in front of me hoping all goes well on the exit... or I could
just take it to a show and sit around and not run the car... fat chance

Bob-Texas bound to run the high banks

Flash68 04-23-2015 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 603192)

Those do not look to be DSE spec... :rules:

Sieg 04-24-2015 04:41 AM

Since my parts arrived early yesterday and I had a window of opportunity I pulled the springs and did some experimenting and altering.

Rubber bump stops with the suspension fully compressed against the corner weight of the car. The rubber stops free length is 1.5" and it compressed .5".
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-k...kQxbV6T-XL.jpg

Same scenario as above with 1.25" poly sump stop in place. So it appears to have gained .25" of free travel and similar compressed travel, though beyond sitting on it's own weight the poly should be firmer than the rubber but the zerk is still in jeopardy in a G-out.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-s...sMkSDDj-XL.jpg

Hotchkis bar link installed at supplied length (1-5/8" spacer) in compression.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-M...MZmKxW9-XL.jpg

Same scenario with 1" spacer.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-g...gsQKs76-XL.jpg

Same scenario with .75" spacer.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3...3f5sH9T-XL.jpg

Suspension in full drop with bar link adjusted finger tight which leaves the bar holding the suspension approx 1" short of full drop.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-D...DfBQzBz-XL.jpg

Sitting at estimated ride height.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r...rmd2r8h-XL.jpg

Global West cast aluminum 3/8" spacers.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9...97386Cr-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-F...FPZ6RfK-XL.jpg

Sitting at ride height with spacers installed.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-P...PPH7HfL-XL.jpg

It went from .5" free travel to 1.25 free travel with spacers and poly bump stops. Not ideal but a big percentage gain. Fender height went from 23-7/8" to 24-5/8".

Hopefully I'll be able to button up all the loose ends tomorrow, get it on the ground and set the caster/camber/toe and take it for a short test drive, then recheck dimensions and safety inspect before taking it on a real shakedown drive weather permitting.

GregWeld 04-24-2015 07:00 AM

You can always remove the zirc....


Stay away from railroad tracks....


Use 650# springs so it rides like a hay wagon....


Use a shorter shock so the shock becomes the stop (and then ruins the shock)....


Install shock bump stocks (a collar)...


Copy PK - DG - RD and leave in on the jack stands forever...


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