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Cris@JCG 09-06-2011 07:05 AM

This car just keeps getting better... Good to see that you are making the ABS work.. I am sure it is the way of the future..

I have always liked the GM parking brake.. The other day I was thinking about using it as a standard parking brake on my builds.. Now their is another two reasons to use it for ABS & a floater.. I wish I had your GM resources Mark! Great work..

Stielow 09-06-2011 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 368557)
Now that is ENGINEERING!


EEEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA


See ya @ SEMA:woot:

In a I'm a geeky engineer way, I back calculated road HP at Gingerman. On a 91 degree day we are putting 620 HP to the ground! :thumbsup:

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...Screenshot.jpg

The graph top center is a histogram of HP and Torque of one lap.

Mark

Matt@BOS 09-06-2011 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 368673)
The housing end doesn't look that bad, but the amount of machine work in those axles, and the R&D time seems epic. I rarely see something anymore that makes me say wow. But wow, why didn't I think of that. I'm in the middle of working up the "normal full floater" for mine. Just figured you deserved some props for thinking that one through (ingenious). Ron

What Ron said! Sometimes you make it look so simple. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to seeing the car again this year at SEMA!

Matt

Sieg 09-06-2011 10:28 AM

Once again impressive in every aspect. :thumbsup:

Maybe we'll see the benefits of Mark's engineering and testing in the form of a new Currie crate rear end offering?

Track Junky 09-06-2011 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 368690)
putting 620 HP to the ground! :thumbsup: Mark

That just made me giggle, lol. Hell thats what I put out at the crank.

Stielow 09-06-2011 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolwelder62 (Post 368681)
Way cool video Mark.I would love to see some photo's of the housing's end's.:thumbsup:

It is designed to weld to the end of a 3 inch axle tube.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC_3451.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSCN0185.jpg

I had 4130 axle shafts made to mate the ZR-1 bearing on one end and a 31 spline Ford 9 inch on the other.

It also has a shoulder for a GM axle seal.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC_3860.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC_3863.jpg

Then I had to make a tool to align it so when you weld it on it sets your camber and toe.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSCN0182.jpg

I've been working on this design since SEMA last year when my ABS faulted out. This design fixed the three things that made me mad on my old system.

ABS signal drop outs at high speeds and loads
Brake knock back
Rear axle leaks

It could be a bit over kill but I'm tired of messing with it.

Mark:cheers:

W5 406ci 09-06-2011 01:42 PM

The next level for pro touring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 368728)
It is designed to weld to the end of a 3 inch axle tube.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC_3451.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSCN0185.jpg

I had 4130 axle shafts made to mate the ZR-1 bearing on one end and a 31 spline Ford 9 inch on the other.

It also has a shoulder for a GM axle seal.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC_3860.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSC_3863.jpg

Then I had to make a tool to align it so when you weld it on it sets your camber and toe.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...e/DSCN0182.jpg

I've been working on this design since SEMA last year when my ABS faulted out. This design fixed the three things that made me mad on my old system.

ABS signal drop outs at high speeds and loads
Brake knock back
Rear axle leaks

It could be a bit over kill but I'm tired of messing with it.

Mark:cheers:

Is Kyle going to offer this setup at Detroit speed?

coolwelder62 09-06-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by W5 406ci (Post 368731)
Is Kyle going to offer this setup at Detroit speed?

Thank's Mark.:thumbsup: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

Van B 09-06-2011 07:40 PM

That would certainly address my issues.

Payton King 09-07-2011 11:53 AM

I just don't know what to say
 
I could be mistaken, but that appears to have a bunch of design and fab time in it.

Truly spectacular! I can only imagine the machine bill.

Bow Tie 67 09-08-2011 11:25 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that will not float per-see. Once the axle nut is torqued the axle shaft will become more or less rigid from the bearing into the housing, so very little camber or toe would be allowed. Unless the other end of the axle shaft has a radius to the splines.

qship510 09-08-2011 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bow Tie 67 (Post 369067)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that will not float per-see. Once the axle nut is torqued the axle shaft will become more or less rigid from the bearing into the housing, so very little camber or toe would be allowed. Unless the other end of the axle shaft has a radius to the splines.

I thought "float" referred to whether the hub is retained independantly of the axle. In Mark's case, if the axle breaks, the hub/wheel/tire stay with the car, which is a "full floater". With a stockish 9" arrangement, if the axle breaks, the axle could leave the housing, taking the wheel/hub with it. 9" is a bad example, 10/12 bolt would be a better illustration. The second case would be a "semi-floater".

I'm sure I'm missing something...

RENN SCHNELL 09-12-2011 09:02 AM

Wicked! :thumbsup:

next69 09-12-2011 10:28 AM

Mark, do you have any plans of doing a car with IRS?

Stielow 09-12-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by next69 (Post 369468)
Mark, do you have any plans of doing a car with IRS?

Not in the near future. I have helped do the development work on a couple IRS set ups at work. There is a lot of development to get one to work correctly.

I'm happy on how the DSE 4 link works.

Mark

hifi875 09-12-2011 01:18 PM

what happened to you yesterday at the lsfest??

cencalc6 09-12-2011 02:39 PM

Mark, what Clutch are you running?

Stielow 09-12-2011 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hifi875 (Post 369491)
what happened to you yesterday at the lsfest??

I had a meeting at work this morning that I had to be at. It is a 9 hour tow so we left Sunday morning.

Gotta work to pay for this stuff......:thumbsup:

Mark

Sales@Dutchboys 09-12-2011 04:19 PM

So how are we going to make this stuff work in a Chevy II?? lol

Looks great Mark!:thumbsup:

Paul

Stielow 09-12-2011 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cencalc6 (Post 369503)
Mark, what Clutch are you running?

I was running a stock LS9 clutch. I switched to a Lingenfelter LS9 clutch with a higher clamp load. I had an issue with the adjustment and the pick-up point. The clutch was draggingwhen thepeddelwas fully pushed in. Seems like I had air in the system because it was good when I unloaded it last night. Going back though the set up to verify the stack-up.

Mark

Stielow 09-12-2011 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevy2boy333 (Post 369520)
So how are we going to make this stuff work in a Chevy II?? lol

Looks great Mark!:thumbsup:

Paul

Paul

Your Chevy II will be cool when it rolls out again with your new upgrades...:thumbsup:

My paint still look great between all the rock chips....:cheers:

I'll have to get it "tuned - up" after SEMA.

Mark

cencalc6 09-12-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 369523)
I was running a stock LS9 clutch. I switched to a Lingenfelter LS9 clutch with a higher clamp load. I had an issue with the adjustment and the pick-up point. The clutch was draggingwhen thepeddelwas fully pushed in. Seems like I had air in the system because it was good when I unloaded it last night. Going back though the set up to verify the stack-up.

Mark

Thanks Mark for the response,I'm also considering Lingenfelter LS9 Twin Disk or Katech's New LS9R Clutch.Both clutches have 20% more clamping force than a ZR1 unit.Should be plenty enough for a 550+ rwhp N/A LS Motor :thumbsup:

Phillip

Autokraft 09-12-2011 08:21 PM

Hey Mark sorry about running you off the return road:D lol Good to see you again and as usual the car looks awesome.

Kurt

brownz 09-13-2011 05:39 PM

Mark, How did you abs perform this weekend? I enjoyed watching you run the s*!t out of your car:thumbsup:

Stielow 09-13-2011 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownz (Post 369706)
Mark, How did you abs perform this weekend? I enjoyed watching you run the s*!t out of your car:thumbsup:

Flawless :thumbsup:

My new rear axle set up with the ZR-1 bearings work great.

Mark

brownz 09-14-2011 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 369707)
Flawless :thumbsup:

My new rear axle set up with the ZR-1 bearings work great.

Mark

Now you can start manufacturing your rear axle set up for us...

Brandon

DOOM 09-14-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownz (Post 369772)
Now you can start manufacturing your rear axle set up for us...

Brandon

X2...:hail:

67ragtp 09-14-2011 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownz (Post 369772)
Now you can start manufacturing your rear axle set up for us...

Brandon

x3! Want it bad!

jimbo 09-14-2011 06:02 PM

Hey Mark, are you building a 67 Camaro or are these old photos?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sled-A...5063?sk=photos

Rick D 09-14-2011 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo (Post 369873)
Hey Mark, are you building a 67 Camaro or are these old photos?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sled-A...5063?sk=photos

I think I remember somthing about a car for his girlfriend??? Not sure though it could have been someone else??

Stielow 09-14-2011 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo (Post 369873)
Hey Mark, are you building a 67 Camaro or are these old photos?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sled-A...5063?sk=photos

That's my car...

Matt at Sled Alley is working on it and it is turning out very nice. The sheet metal work is top notch.

Mark

Rick D 09-14-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 369876)
That's my car...

Matt at Sled Alley is working on it and it is turning out very nice. The sheet metal work is top notch.

Mark

Ok you can't just pop on in and say thats my car and then your gone!!!:lol: Hum we need details??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????

Stielow 09-18-2011 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrs69 (Post 369878)
Ok you can't just pop on in and say thats my car and then your gone!!!:lol: Hum we need details??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????

Yea know More Power, More Tires, More Brakes and Less Weight.......

I'll post a update later..:thumbsup: Working on getting Red Devil ready for SEAM and OUSCI. It is the '67 in the background being worked on at Sled Alley.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...I/DSC_3446.jpg

I changed the brakes out to Stop Techs. We rebalanced the caliper pistons in the calipers to better optimized brake balance. The brake feel is great and with a more reliable ABS set up my braking distances are coming down.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/DSC_3882.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/DSC_3878.jpg

I sorted out my clutch issue that I was fighting at Heidts and LSFest. After some research there is a 0.065 restrictor in the clutch hyd. line.

I remember an old article Jeff Smith did and looked it up.

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/ho...021/index.html

After that modification and a good brake bleed the trans / clutch are working great. It is a mix of OE and modified OE stuff. Working with 800 ft*lbs and trying to road race, drag race and street drive required a little sorting out.

The car ships today for “out West” for Pre-SEMA stuff then it will go straight to SEMA so this weekend was my last chance to tune on Red Devil prior to OUSCI. I think this year’s competition will be very tough. I added a bit more power, retuned the shocks, better ABS and rebalance brakes. I tweaked the areas I could for the event so now will have to wait until Nov. to see how it shakes out. :thumbsup:

Mark

GregWeld 09-18-2011 07:54 AM

I wish you'd have shipped it earlier --- I'll be in the Napa Valley this weekend -- and I'd have been happy to stop by Charley's, grab the car and put a few laps on it!! hahahahahahahahaha

camcojb 09-18-2011 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 370274)
I wish you'd have shipped it earlier --- I'll be in the Napa Valley this weekend -- and I'd have been happy to stop by Charley's, grab the car and put a few laps on it!! hahahahahahahahaha

I'm amazed you haven't bought a car to do these events yet. I think you'd have a ball. :yes:

GregWeld 09-18-2011 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 370275)
I'm amazed you haven't bought a car to do these events yet. I think you'd have a ball. :yes:


I have a plan.....

Buy a place in the Napa Valley... and just have Charley bring a spare car to the events so I can drive it. He's good for the gas... entry fees... tires... clean up.

camcojb 09-18-2011 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 370277)
I have a plan.....

Buy a place in the Napa Valley... and just have Charley bring a spare car to the events so I can drive it. He's good for the gas... entry fees... tires... clean up.

that's a pretty good plan, he'll loan you a car for an event or two. But then he expects you to buy your own, can you believe it?!!! :lol:

coolwelder62 09-18-2011 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 370278)
that's a pretty good plan, he'll loan you a car for an event or two. But then he expects you to buy your own, can you believe it?!!! :lol:

Greg,I can fix you up W/a car to run around in.:lol: Now that I have 10 miles on it I am done with it.:lol:

Stielow 09-18-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 370274)
I wish you'd have shipped it earlier --- I'll be in the Napa Valley this weekend -- and I'd have been happy to stop by Charley's, grab the car and put a few laps on it!! hahahahahahahahaha

It's not going to Charley's it is going to So-Cal to be used in a Optima Battery commercial that will be filmed at Willow Springs. I'm flying out to drive it next week.

Mark

clill 09-18-2011 06:13 PM

Greag...Don't be such a tightass...Just talk Stielow into selling it to you. I'll throw in a booster seat.


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