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Cris@JCG 02-21-2012 07:56 AM

I got a rust free 71 sitting in back yard! Trade for LS parts.. :D

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 396850)
Brian - Your making it very difficult to not buy a 2nd gen Camaro and build this wild idea I have for a 72. Man that thing is bad. I love orange and I love 72 camaros.

What color did you use on this?


Cris@JCG 02-21-2012 07:57 AM

Lookingf forward to seeing you run this beast in weeks @ the Marina! See ya Soon!

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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 396791)
Getting ready for 2012 and went to the first SCCA Autocross event of the year. I am looking forward to seeing everyone at RTTC in a few weeks.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...b/_J5V4269.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...b/DSC_0617.jpg


Bucketlist2012 02-21-2012 10:22 AM

Just Incredible..:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

linkstar69 02-27-2012 03:12 AM

I stumbled onto this because of the rear suspension design but had to read the whole thing. Just amazing

73CPCAMARO 02-27-2012 08:46 PM

I found this video on Youtube today. Thanks for uploading! Not my fastest run, but cool to see.


RicerwannaB 02-28-2012 09:01 PM

Just spent a good part of the day reading everyword in this thread, and all I have to say is, it is absolutely amazing! I need to get back out to the west coast so I can race in Feb!

Macbuick 03-07-2012 11:40 AM

In AMC magazine
 
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Hi,
Nice to see your car in the french American Muscle Car Magazine !
Great article with many pictures....
Didier makes a great job (as always) featuring nice pro-touring and hot rod cars all over Europe in this french speaking mag. ( One, if not the best made mag in the world!, ......no, i'm not a french guy...)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2200/img0417vla.jpg

ironworks 03-07-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Macbuick (Post 400119)
Hi,
Nice to see your car in the french American Muscle Car Magazine !
Great article with many pictures....
Didier makes a great job (as always) featuring nice pro-touring and hot rod cars all over Europe in this french speaking mag. ( One, if not the best made mag in the world!, ......no, i'm not a french guy...)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2200/img0417vla.jpg

I agree. It would be nice if English magazines took notes from this one. They do a great job and find the best cars.

Macbuick 03-07-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 400122)
I agree. It would be nice if English magazines took notes from this one. They do a great job and find the best cars.

I should translate it and sell it in the USA :D

mpozziCPL 03-07-2012 02:00 PM

Agree and that mag is very cool. Any way of scanning the Optima coverage for us?

Mary Pozzi

73CPCAMARO 03-07-2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macbuick (Post 400119)
Hi,
Nice to see your car in the french American Muscle Car Magazine !
Great article with many pictures....
Didier makes a great job (as always) featuring nice pro-touring and hot rod cars all over Europe in this french speaking mag. ( One, if not the best made mag in the world!, ......no, i'm not a french guy...)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2200/img0417vla.jpg




Where did you find the magazine? Didier was to send me some copies.

I had a few different magazines approach me at OUSCI and I picked Didier to have my little spare time during the event. I had never seen his magazine until he showed me a copy. I thought it was very nicely done and since he came all the way from France to do it and he picked my car, I thought it was the least I could do.

Thanks for posting!

Brian

Macbuick 03-08-2012 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 400160)
Where did you find the magazine? Didier was to send me some copies.

I had a few different magazines approach me at OUSCI and I picked Didier to have my little spare time during the event. I had never seen his magazine until he showed me a copy. I thought it was very nicely done and since he came all the way from France to do it and he picked my car, I thought it was the least I could do.

Thanks for posting!

Brian

I subscribe to the magazine.....:cool:

Didier is only covering US cars, Pro-Touring, Hot Rods, Gasser, events like Bonneville , GNRS, and so on .... he travels all the way mostly in CA and as his camera is full of pictures he prints a new mag every 2 month ...
He recently bought a 32 roadster that he called "the Lafayette Special"


You can join him on Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/AmericanMuscleCars.magazine

I will try to scan the OUSCI article ;)

73CPCAMARO 03-11-2012 10:05 PM

I had a great time at RTTC III despite busting my transmission on the first day right after lunch. I did get in a few runs on the autocross. They opened up the course a lot on Saturday, so we can't compare Friday's times to Saturdays.

Here is one of my runs on Friday on the tighter course. It was a 39.3xx



67zo6Camaro 03-11-2012 10:17 PM

Brian, I thought you had a high 38 run on Fri?

Open up the track? seemed the same to me. Where did they move cones? because all the chalk lines were the same.

You did great out there as usual, would have loved to see you run in the head to head event at the end of Sat.

73CPCAMARO 03-11-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 400862)
Brian, I thought you had a high 38 run on sat?

Open up the track? seemed the same to me. Where did they move cones? because all the chalk lines were the same.

You did great out there as usual, would have loved to see you run in the head to head event at the end of Sat.

I had a 38.6xx in Blu Balz. The track was the same going out but much faster coming back on Saturday. A few cones seems to be either moved or missing. The chaulk line was the same, but the apex cones were not in the original spot. They may not have been boxed chaulk lines for placement. I was able to go full throttle through much of the course coming back on Saturday because you did not have to turn as much. I went to some of the video I took and it confirmed my thoughts.

Brian

Matt@BOS 03-11-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 400863)
I had a 38.6xx in Blu Balz. The track was the same going out but much faster coming back on Saturday. A few cones seems to be either moved or missing. The chaulk line was the same, but the apex cones were not in the original spot. They may not have been boxed chaulk lines for placement. I was able to go full throttle through much of the course coming back on Saturday because you did not have to turn as much. I went to some of the video I took and it confirmed my thoughts.

Brian

I noticed that too. Just watching that clip makes me feel slow now. Great job out there wheeling all those cars around this weekend!

Matt

Vegas69 03-11-2012 10:53 PM

That's some insane driving. :thumbsup:

Sieg 03-11-2012 10:58 PM

That car makes me wet.

:unibrow:

67zo6Camaro 03-11-2012 11:01 PM

Ops I ment Fri.

Good Call, I'll go back and ck my Fri vids vs. Sat.

Anyway, you are one bad A** driver with one Sweet ride.

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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 400863)
I had a 38.6xx in Blu Balz. The track was the same going out but much faster coming back on Saturday. A few cones seems to be either moved or missing. The chaulk line was the same, but the apex cones were not in the original spot. They may not have been boxed chaulk lines for placement. I was able to go full throttle through much of the course coming back on Saturday because you did not have to turn as much. I went to some of the video I took and it confirmed my thoughts.

Brian


Flash68 03-11-2012 11:31 PM

Nice "work" this weekend Brian. Was fun watching you big guns get in and out of others' cars during those fun run sessions.

Can't believe that G-Force trans grenaded, if that's indeed what happened. Last thing I woulda thought would give in that drivetrain. Keep us posted on that... I assume you're hoping (depending on the issue) to get it ready for Pleasanton in 2 weeks?

73CPCAMARO 03-12-2012 10:33 PM

My Dad and I pulled the transmission tonight and my hunch was correct. A mess of metal in the tranny.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...hob/photo3.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...hob/photo1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/photo.jpg

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GregWeld 03-12-2012 10:50 PM

That's nasty Brian! Sorry it happened!


Was fun to chat with you and Mike!


:cheers:

Flash68 03-12-2012 11:46 PM

Brian, that sucks... any thoughts on how/why? What were you doing when it broke? That doesn't seem to make sense to me for what that tranny is capable of.

TLWiltman 03-13-2012 12:52 AM

Awesome car! Just found this thread yesterday and I have a quick question (also working toward a 73 CP car ;) ). What are the rules on the LS engine? I was under the impression that update/backdate was only within generations, or has that changed recently?

SLO_Z28 03-13-2012 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TLWiltman (Post 401111)
Awesome car! Just found this thread yesterday and I have a quick question (also working toward a 73 CP car ;) ). What are the rules on the LS engine? I was under the impression that update/backdate was only within generations, or has that changed recently?

Same engine "family", so Chevy Small Block V8 to Chevy Small Block V8.

TLWiltman 03-13-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 401120)
Same engine "family", so Chevy Small Block V8 to Chevy Small Block V8.

Thank you! I re-read the rules last night with that interpretation in mind. It was in the appendix for CP regarding "same manufacturer" and "same configuration". So glad the LX is legal!

I believe it was in the SCCA forums where I saw "Locally, it should be ok, but in nationals expect a protest"

73CPCAMARO 03-13-2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TLWiltman (Post 401256)
Thank you! I re-read the rules last night with that interpretation in mind. It was in the appendix for CP regarding "same manufacturer" and "same configuration". So glad the LX is legal!

I believe it was in the SCCA forums where I saw "Locally, it should be ok, but in nationals expect a protest"

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The LS is legal in all Camaro's. Anyone can protest, but, they will lose. It is very clear in the rules and it has been discussed by the class on the CP Digest.

Brian

TLWiltman 03-14-2012 01:58 AM

MUAHAHAHAHA!!! :woot:

BTW, your car just became my new screen background. Previous screen savers include Tigman's camaro, and Big Red.

Bucketlist2012 03-14-2012 02:42 AM

What a Killer car you have..

That sucks about the tranny metal..

What tranny is it ?



Man you have one Killer Camaro.:thumbsup:

TLWiltman 03-16-2012 01:49 AM

IIRC, it's a g-force 4-speed

57hemicuda 03-16-2012 05:19 AM

I've got that same transmission in my Mustang. Everytime I jack that car up with the car in gear, and I can spin the tire a 1/4 of a turn back and forth, I think of how hard autoxing must be on those parts, and how the constant on and off of the throttle must stress the gears.

Apparently they are not indestructable, if you don't mind me asking Brian did it give any warning?, or just go into self destruct. I know its hard to tell with those transmissions because they are so noisey anyway. I have heard they are freshen it regularly whether it needs it or not parts. Love the car, good luck getting it back together. Ron

73CPCAMARO 03-16-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 401948)
I've got that same transmission in my Mustang. Everytime I jack that car up with the car in gear, and I can spin the tire a 1/4 of a turn back and forth, I think of how hard autoxing must be on those parts, and how the constant on and off of the throttle must stress the gears.

Apparently they are not indestructable, if you don't mind me asking Brian did it give any warning?, or just go into self destruct. I know its hard to tell with those transmissions because they are so noisey anyway. I have heard they are freshen it regularly whether it needs it or not parts. Love the car, good luck getting it back together. Ron

Ron,

I had no warning at all. I was going from 2nd to 3rd gear on the speed stop squared event when it let go. It was loud and ugly. Before it let go on Friday, it was working perfect. The GForce has less than one year on it. I shipped the transmission to Competition Transmissions and Gears in North Carolina. I am going to have them put the strongest gears possible in it.

Brian

68protouring454 03-16-2012 10:03 AM

Thats too bad brian, they usually stand up very well. I have a g force t101 thats was good all race year long, last year. If you know anybody i have a freshly built jericho close ratio built but competition tranny and gear in nc.
2.36,1.49,1.17, 1.00.
jake

TLWiltman 03-17-2012 01:53 PM

I remember reading somewhere that it's actually best to use drag race gears in an application like that. The rationale was that drag race gears are slightly softer and had better luck in dealing with the torque reversals and shock loads inherent in street driving. Not sure of the accuracy of that info, but it would be a question worth asking going forward.

73CPCAMARO 03-17-2012 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TLWiltman (Post 402197)
I remember reading somewhere that it's actually best to use drag race gears in an application like that. The rationale was that drag race gears are slightly softer and had better luck in dealing with the torque reversals and shock loads inherent in street driving. Not sure of the accuracy of that info, but it would be a question worth asking going forward.

The gears I had were not the road racing gears. Since that did not work for me, I am going to the road race gears. I am also changing the ratios to better fit the road courses.

57hemicuda 03-17-2012 04:32 PM

If you don't mind me asking, what are you changing from, and to. I'm running a 2.89 first with a 3.54 rear. I'm now changing the rear to a 3.18 to try and see if I can run the whole autox course in first gear, and make the car cruise alittle better with no overdrive.

73CPCAMARO 03-17-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 57hemicuda (Post 402219)
If you don't mind me asking, what are you changing from, and to. I'm running a 2.89 first with a 3.54 rear. I'm now changing the rear to a 3.18 to try and see if I can run the whole autox course in first gear, and make the car cruise alittle better with no overdrive.

I have a 3:70 rear. I am going from a 2.5 to 2.4 1st, 2 to 1.7 2nd, and 1.5 to 1.3 3rd.

I need a slightly taller 2nd gear and close the gap from 3rd to 4th gear for the road course. I really liked my 1.5 3rd gear, but it was a too far from 4th gear. I wish I got the 5 speed to start, but too much money for me.

TLWiltman 03-18-2012 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 73CPCAMARO (Post 402205)
The gears I had were not the road racing gears. Since that did not work for me, I am going to the road race gears. I am also changing the ratios to better fit the road courses.

That sucks! I'll be keeping that in mind going forward as well.

Flash68 03-18-2012 01:12 AM

That sounds like a much better spread in ratios, Brian. I didn't think you'd be liking those splits when you posted them before... but I guess the new ratios will be a benefit of this bad situation for you.

Does your trans have an internal cooling pump?

57hemicuda 03-18-2012 05:30 AM

Yeah those 5 speeds are stupid money, can't really justify that. At first I was thinking the same ratios as you. Due to the lack of overdrive I'm trying to go at it from the other end. I'm 2.87/1.81/1.31/1, on the road course all I use is 3rd and 4th anyway, and I do like that spread. I think you'll be happy with the 1.30 third. My problem is autoxing, first is too low, and second is too high for my cams power band. That is why I'm putting the 3.18 rear gear in. The change will probably kick the crap out of my drag race times though.

Still can't beleive nobody has come out with a reasonably priced five speed, with some normal ratios, that will hold up. I'm sure you experienced the same thing Vinny and I did on the cruises with no O/D. Everyone else is cruising 80mph, my car really had its tongue hanging out taching 4K, Vin and I fell way at the back to the back of that pack.

If you think about it, it truely is harder then you think to build a car that can do everything well. There really has to be alot of compromise, it seems if it is a good 1/4 mile car, it won't autox, etc. etc. Its been fun, and expensive trying to figure it out. Good luck. Ron


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