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Ron in SoCal 03-13-2012 08:44 AM

^ Skip, I think I'm gonna need to see that video, plus the dismount...:lol:

fleet 03-13-2012 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 401170)
^ Skip, I think I'm gonna need to see that video, plus the dismount...:lol:

Katya is amazing, yes? Sadly, her country controls the video.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

JERRY: So, Ceausescu. He must've been some dictator.

KATYA: Oh yes. He was not shy about dictating.

JERRY: He, uh, he must've been dictating first thing in the morning. "I want a cup of coffee and a muffin!"

KATYA: And you could not refuse.

JERRY: No, you'd have to be crazy.

KATYA: He was a very bad dictator.

JERRY: Yes. Very bad. Very, very bad.




:lol:

Spiffav8 03-13-2012 09:19 AM

Dave it was great to finally meet you after all these years. You've got a great bunch of friends and I enjoyed meeting them as well. Looking forward to getting down that way again soon and hanging out a bit more. The car is awesome and knowing you, it's only going to get better!

Thanks again for all the fun!

:captain:

chr2002ca 03-13-2012 09:29 AM

Dave, congrats again on the engagement and it was great meeting up with you and meeting Susan for the first time. I was happy to see you were able to get back out on the track and get some runs in. Your car looks better and better every time I see it, and the exhaust was totally NASCAR. :) I didn't know you were having health issues, so it's good to hear that you were feeling better via some RTTC medicine. :thumbsup:

Nessumsar 03-13-2012 09:55 AM

It was good to see you out at Rttc, even if it was briefly...:) Bummer to hear about the engine; I thought you were sponsored by Marlboro with how much she was smokin!

When I caught up to you on Saturday and your oil preasure was low, that was with 50wt? :_paranoid

Flash68 03-13-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 401112)
Looks good Dave, real clean. Sorry to hear about the engine troubles.

Thanks Vince. I guess that's what I get for gathering parts for my next motor... she found out and got jealous and knifed me! :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 401114)
I agree with Vince, hell of a good wheel man. Your car seems to be working well and it was wounded so even more impressive. I like that little 377. Tear it apart and fix it before it BLOWS. :unibrow: I bet you broke a ring. A compression check will figure that one out.

Not that loud? I thought it was the 1987 Daytona 500 when Richie fired it up next to my trailer. :lol: Sounded really good!

Thanks brother.. I can't complain too much and was thankful to finish the weekend out on the track with everyone after all that happened. But, as much as I have liked the 377, I am done with that combo and will be adding cubes. If I was only going to true road course track days it would be fine, but this motor lacked the low and mid range in all 3 events and it hurt me. Plus with the new heads I've acquired I need more cubes to keep it from being too peaky. We'll see.... but I've changed my stance on small cubes short stroke. This ain't NASCAR..... wait... is it? :lol:

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Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 401133)
Gives you the excuse to put the one in that you have been gathering parts for this last year.

Never did see where you mentioned the brakes. Did you like the new pads?

Glad you were able to hold up physically, that has to be the brightest spot of the entire journey.

Thanks Payton. The health thing was and is huge and definitely the bright spot for me. Thanks for reminder on brake pads -- they were great after some heat in them on road course. Not sure if they helped much on autoX - maybe a little. Def did not hurt.

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 401134)
For a fat motor its not very jolly.

But I'm officially addicted to its sound and that shifting. :cool:

As far as all the cars' issues; you're a flexible problem solver so you'll come up with something creative.

Now that is an image. And I agree -- the trans and exhaust are 2 of my fave parts of the car now. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by tom_a (Post 401159)
Glad you made it and it was nice meeting you. Hope the motor issue gets resolved. It sounded great when I heard it.

Hey you too Tom. And thanks. I was hoping to get a closer look at your car but didn't make it. Will see you next time.

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 401170)
^ Skip, I think I'm gonna need to see that video, plus the dismount...:lol:

Ron, you dirty dog. Good seeing you out there man. Next time will be in your ride. :woot:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 401179)
Dave it was great to finally meet you after all these years. You've got a great bunch of friends and I enjoyed meeting them as well. Looking forward to getting down that way again soon and hanging out a bit more. The car is awesome and knowing you, it's only going to get better!

Thanks again for all the fun!

:captain:

You too Curtis. The crew that showed up at Doug's was perfect IMO... that was a blast. Hope you can make it up to Pleasanton in 2 weeks.

Thanks brother.. I am too competitive to sit back and let everyone else get better without me. Plus, I love the challenge to do more with less.

And I have to make some aesthetic changes to my car since my damn red-headed step sister Camaro was there... where the heck did that come from? :lol:



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Originally Posted by chr2002ca (Post 401185)
Dave, congrats again on the engagement and it was great meeting up with you and meeting Susan for the first time. I was happy to see you were able to get back out on the track and get some runs in. Your car looks better and better every time I see it, and the exhaust was totally NASCAR. :) I didn't know you were having health issues, so it's good to hear that you were feeling better via some RTTC medicine. :thumbsup:

Chris, thanks bud! So glad you made it too and wished we coulda chatted more.. can't wait to see your car V.2.0 out there.

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Originally Posted by Nessumsar (Post 401192)
It was good to see you out at Rttc, even if it was briefly...:) Bummer to hear about the engine; I thought you were sponsored by Marlboro with how much she was smokin!

When I caught up to you on Saturday and your oil preasure was low, that was with 50wt? :_paranoid

Yeah Jon, you too, and that was brief. I think you caused my drop in oil pressure. :lol:

Yes the oil pressure temporarily dropped to around 10 at idle when I was talking to you I remember. 50wt was in all Saturday. But it recovered and got mack to 15 or so and then I shot out to the road course. Based on the vitals of the engine all weekend it is quite shocking it lasted thru all the events and even drove back to the hotel on its own power. She's a tough little biatch!

ironworks 03-13-2012 11:23 AM

Don't forget the Grand Sport stripes. That will make you truely fast.

:D

Spiffav8 03-13-2012 11:27 AM

Quote:

I have to make some aesthetic changes to my car since my damn red-headed step sister Camaro was there... where the heck did that come from? :lol:
I have no idea who's car that was. Just accept it. You're a trend setter and everyone wants to be like you. :lol:

skatinjay27 03-13-2012 11:37 AM

let me just say dave every pic I say with you car in it from the weekend reminded of how sick you car looks! :thumbsup:
and i dont even like mustangs!:lol:

Tom.A 03-13-2012 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 401216)
I have no idea who's car that was. Just accept it. You're a trend setter and everyone wants to be like you. :lol:

Funny, I was behind that guy in tech and said hey are you Dave and then he said no I am Joe. Upon looking closer I saw a big block and knew I had the wrong guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 401215)
Don't forget the Grand Sport stripes. That will make you truely fast.

:D

:lol: they don't work for me

Flash68 03-13-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 401215)
Don't forget the Grand Sport stripes. That will make you truely fast.

:D

What are the odds another guy will mod a Camaro into a Viper colored, Corvette accessorized, Mustang striped bastard child!? :willy:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 401216)
I have no idea who's car that was. Just accept it. You're a trend setter and everyone wants to be like you. :lol:

Well I intended to go talk to him but never made it.... I was gonna walk up and say first thing "what day and year did you paint this thing?" :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by skatinjay27 (Post 401219)
let me just say dave every pic I say with you car in it from the weekend reminded of how sick you car looks! :thumbsup:
and i dont even like mustangs!:lol:

Thanks bud. In a sea of bad ass cars there, thanks for noticing mine. :cheers: And I am kinda forced to like Mustangs I guess... plus Maier's Mustang doesn't hurt. :woot:

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Originally Posted by tom_a (Post 401232)
Funny, I was behind that guy in tech and said hey are you Dave and then he said no I am Joe. Upon looking closer I saw a big block and knew I had the wrong guy.

Joe, Dave, Harold.... whatever. LOL :thumbsup:

mdprovee 03-13-2012 12:34 PM

Dave,

Glad you were able to make it thru the weekend, but sorry about the motor, I have been there done that. Let us know what your building next...hummm...

awr68 03-13-2012 04:00 PM

Dave, glad to hear your health was good enough to make the event!
Also, good to hear the motor didn't just let go! Sounds like you were creative and made it to all the events! Good deal!

Your a good driver, the videos show that! You just need to iron out a couple details, like the motor problems, and put down a perfect lap. Your day is coming my friend!! :cheers:

seancarole 03-13-2012 07:21 PM

Sorry to here motor troubles. she sounded great and the new motor will sound even better what clutch are you running?

Flash68 03-13-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdprovee (Post 401239)
Dave,

Glad you were able to make it thru the weekend, but sorry about the motor, I have been there done that. Let us know what your building next...hummm...

Thanks Mike... I am still ironing out the details in my head to go along with the parts I've accumulated thus far... will def share when ready. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68 (Post 401278)
Dave, glad to hear your health was good enough to make the event!
Also, good to hear the motor didn't just let go! Sounds like you were creative and made it to all the events! Good deal!

Your a good driver, the videos show that! You just need to iron out a couple details, like the motor problems, and put down a perfect lap. Your day is coming my friend!! :cheers:

Thanks Tony... the health is above all else for sure. And thanks for the support man.. can't wait to some torque in my car... this motor is too darn peaky I've found out.

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Originally Posted by seancarole (Post 401327)
Sorry to here motor troubles. she sounded great and the new motor will sound even better what clutch are you running?

Thanks man... I have a Centerforce LMC (light metal clutch) in there now. Rated to 675 ft lbs.

GregWeld 03-13-2012 08:34 PM

So do you think inhaling oily smoke might be a newly discovered cure?

Please tell Sue I'm done entertaining her now!

Get off the Internet and "get busy"!

Flash68 03-13-2012 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 401356)
So do you think inhaling oily smoke might be a newly discovered cure?

Please tell Sue I'm done entertaining her now!

Get off the Internet and "get busy"!

Hmm... oily smoke... you might be on to something there. I like it.

Suzie Q asks where did Ben Stein go to next? :lol:

intocarss 03-13-2012 10:30 PM

Sorry you had issues with your car and hope your health is OK (a day at the races is always the best cure) :thumbsup:

As I am sure you know....excessive overheating can cause ring failure, kills the valve springs etc . And If the oil gets hot enough, It will break down and will not lubricate the cylinder walls, bearings and just kills them.

With the temps you described, I would say you collapsed your rings, maybe scorched a piston and your cylinder walls are now distorted.. aka out of round. Your low oil pressure may be due to the bearing clearances opening up due to the excessive heat

Your car sounds awesome !!! I'm sure you'll make her bigger and badder then it is now

Flash68 03-14-2012 12:23 AM

I had a request for this one... forgot about. Not a good run obviously but was kinduva fun ending. :woot:


fleet 03-14-2012 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 401386)
I had a request for this one... forgot about. Not a good run obviously but was kinduva fun ending. :woot:


Much better than cable. That car's got a real attitude you know. :lol:

And its about to get even more with what you said is being cooked up at the renowned BMF Labs. :D

Flash68 03-14-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 401379)
Sorry you had issues with your car and hope your health is OK (a day at the races is always the best cure) :thumbsup:

As I am sure you know....excessive overheating can cause ring failure, kills the valve springs etc . And If the oil gets hot enough, It will break down and will not lubricate the cylinder walls, bearings and just kills them.

With the temps you described, I would say you collapsed your rings, maybe scorched a piston and your cylinder walls are now distorted.. aka out of round. Your low oil pressure may be due to the bearing clearances opening up due to the excessive heat

Your car sounds awesome !!! I'm sure you'll make her bigger and badder then it is now

Thanks Jerry. Appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Yeah it could easily be and is likely one or more of those issues you mentioned. Won't know til we open it up. Debating on taking it to GG Pleasanton AutoX in 10 days as is. It's just a short peanut course and lasts 30 seconds tops and I don't see more than 5500 rpm.... Hmmm...

Bigger and badder is definitely in the works... ;)


Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 401391)
Much better than cable. That car's got a real attitude you know. :lol:

And its about to get even more with what you said is being cooked up at the renowned BMF Labs. :D

Thank you good sir. BMF Lab techs are hard at work in the lair.... :cool:

intocarss 03-14-2012 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 401485)
Thanks Jerry. Appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Yeah it could easily be and is likely one or more of those issues you mentioned. Won't know til we open it up. Debating on taking it to GG Pleasanton AutoX in 10 days as is. It's just a short peanut course and lasts 30 seconds tops and I don't see more than 5500 rpm.... Hmmm...

Bigger and badder is definitely in the works... ;)



"Your low oil pressure may be due to the bearing clearances opening up due to the excessive heat"

After talking to my boss this may not be the issue with your oil pressure, as the clearances wouldn't change enough to worry. You may have scuffed a rod or main bearing. Since you're going to run it again, you should check your oil filter for bearing material. BTW I sent you a friend request over on FB

GregWeld 03-14-2012 05:41 PM

Email me you bonehead... after you and Rich come up with some plan. I have LOTS of engine parts that could be of use to you.

I think you need a big cubic inch small block but with some piston in it so you're not scuffing the cylinder walls and you have some oil control. So maybe a raised deck SBC with your other top secret stuff you told me about.

Big inches is big torque and trust me when I tell you I have a SBC that revs faster than you can catch it! They just have to be built right.

Vegas69 03-14-2012 05:45 PM

Jerry, Are you advising Mr. Gordon that he should've pulled off the track when his coolant temperature gauge crested 250 degrees and his oil temp needle was buried? :D :lol:

intocarss 03-14-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 401554)
Jerry, Are you advising Mr. Gordon that he should've pulled off the track when his coolant temperature gauge crested 250 degrees and his oil temp needle was buried? :D :lol:

NAH... He was having toooooo much fun & he has "spare parts"!! I agree with Greg! Build a BIG INCH SBC and let her eat!! :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS 03-14-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 401554)
Jerry, Are you advising Mr. Gordon that he should've pulled off the track when his coolant temperature gauge crested 250 degrees and his oil temp needle was buried? :D :lol:

250 with no oil pressure? I feel like a wimp, I pulled into the pits after at 230 and a little oil pressure.

Maybe you also have two blown head gaskets? :lol:

Matt

Sandbagger 03-14-2012 08:26 PM

Is that still the 377 in there ? What do you have in mind to replace it with ?
Im on the fence on what to build for myself . I do the same kind of trackdays you do .

Flash68 03-14-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 401512)
"Your low oil pressure may be due to the bearing clearances opening up due to the excessive heat"

After talking to my boss this may not be the issue with your oil pressure, as the clearances wouldn't change enough to worry. You may have scuffed a rod or main bearing. Since you're going to run it again, you should check your oil filter for bearing material. BTW I sent you a friend request over on FB

10-4 the oil is a little dark so we'll check the filter too.

Oh so YOU are Jerdog? I'm glad you told me! :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 401548)
Email me you bonehead... after you and Rich come up with some plan. I have LOTS of engine parts that could be of use to you.

I think you need a big cubic inch small block but with some piston in it so you're not scuffing the cylinder walls and you have some oil control. So maybe a raised deck SBC with your other top secret stuff you told me about.

Big inches is big torque and trust me when I tell you I have a SBC that revs faster than you can catch it! They just have to be built right.

Thanks Ben Stein... I'll email ya. I agree and do want to stay below a 4" stroke but maximize cubes... so maybe a 420 or 422 with a 3-7/8 crank. I need good cubes to swallow the big ports of my new heads to make decent torque... and yeah, a tall deck block would be ideal.

I like lightweight parts for fast revs. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 401554)
Jerry, Are you advising Mr. Gordon that he should've pulled off the track when his coolant temperature gauge crested 250 degrees and his oil temp needle was buried? :D :lol:

Hey, it was 240 when I pulled over.... it was 250 when I restarted it to reverse back out into the safe zone off the track. :_paranoid

I heard a good one this weekend re the solution for high oil temps... just don't run an oil temp gauge. :P

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 401572)
NAH... He was having toooooo much fun & he has "spare parts"!! I agree with Greg! Build a BIG INCH SBC and let her eat!! :thumbsup:

Well to be fair the temps shot up from 201 to 240 very quickly and I was planning on pulling over soon. Maybe just not soon enough.

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Originally Posted by 69MSA (Post 401577)
250 with no oil pressure? I feel like a wimp, I pulled into the pits after at 230 and a little oil pressure.

Maybe you also have two blown head gaskets? :lol:

Matt

230 ain't nuttin for those LS motors I hear... but your motor is also worth 5x as much as mine. :D

Blown head gasket(s) is a strong possibility... we lost a lot of water since Saturday already too.... but no water in the oil.

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Originally Posted by Sandbagger (Post 401604)
Is that still the 377 in there ? What do you have in mind to replace it with ?
Im on the fence on what to build for myself . I do the same kind of trackdays you do .

Yup... same 377 I've been workin hard since late 2010... and it was built in about 2000. Sucker was built well!

As of now I am looking a bigger cube small block with a serious top end and shaft rockers... I just dont have the power when Im below 4500 rpm and that costs me serious time....

Track Junky 03-14-2012 09:02 PM

Great job at RTTC Dave. :thumbsup: I have a feeling your next motor is going to be a serious contender.:unibrow:

Vegas69 03-14-2012 09:04 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/P3091221.jpg

Fines are double in a work zone.:rofl:

Track Junky 03-14-2012 09:07 PM

Damn Dave!! If I ever have traffic control set up in your hood I'll have to have a special sign made up for you alone, :lol:

Sandbagger 03-14-2012 09:11 PM

Note to self...
Do not ever wear a orange T-shirt around you .

fleet 03-14-2012 09:24 PM

The word is out, you anti cone-ite!

They were a happy people last week...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...s-movie-01.jpg


this week

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...1284578079.jpg

Vegas69 03-14-2012 09:29 PM

:rofl: :rofl:

intocarss 03-14-2012 09:32 PM

Are those cones under his front wheels?? At first I thought they were those plastic tire chalks. He's a cone killa!! Great pic!!

Tom.A 03-14-2012 09:37 PM

Dave,

Great driving:thumbsup: You hung with all the big boys

Flash68 03-14-2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 401620)
Great job at RTTC Dave. :thumbsup: I have a feeling your next motor is going to be a serious contender.:unibrow:

Thanks brother... and I agree on the motor... hopefully the driver keeps improving. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 401621)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/P3091221.jpg

Fines are double in a work zone.:rofl:

Dude that is classic.. great pic! that might be the run where the girl came up to me and asked if I could possibly hite any more cones? :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 401622)
Damn Dave!! If I ever have traffic control set up in your hood I'll have to have a special sign made up for you alone, :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandbagger (Post 401625)
Note to self...
Do not ever wear a orange T-shirt around you .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 401630)
:rofl: :rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 401632)
Are those cones under his front wheels?? At first I thought they were those plastic tire chalks. He's a cone killa!! Great pic!!

Ha ha ha ha.... yuck it up guys! :lol:

Flash68 03-14-2012 09:48 PM

Okay now that the results are posted I am really happy overall with how I did considering how the car acted all weekend.

Placing 6th out of 69 cars in the AutoX really makes me happy. And beating the likes of Mary Pozzi, Kyle Newman, Shipka and Casanova who are all fantastic experienced drivers with well great cars. How can I not love that?

12th on the Road Course is a minor letdown for me. But I never made a clean lap and the motor wasn't at 100% so not really fair to expect the Top 5 I was shooting for.... motor plans hopefully remedy that for next year. :unibrow:

22nd in the Speed Stop/Slalom isn't very good but what can I expect when I have no torque, tall gears and have to keep my foot on the gas while braking on the U turn to avoid stalling due to the carb? :lol: I did love the event though and agree with Todd in that it's a great ultimate test for any car... and this event might single-handedly be responsible for my changed plan for BadMotor V2.0. Gotta have some torque! And a carb with road race floats will happen to avoid that issue again....

Overall, was happy to be healthy, happy to see all my buddies and make new friends.... finishing strong with a wounded car is just the icing baby.

Can't wait til next year already... :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 03-14-2012 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 401632)
Are those cones under his front wheels?? At first I thought they were those plastic tire chalks. He's a cone killa!! Great pic!!

Even that orange ING balloon is trying to GTF out of the way. LOL

Nice job Dave. :thumbsup:

Flash68 03-14-2012 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom_a (Post 401635)
Dave,

Great driving:thumbsup: You hung with all the big boys

Thank you Tom! :cheers:

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 401629)
The word is out, you anti cone-ite!

They were a happy people last week...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...s-movie-01.jpg


this week

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...1284578079.jpg

:lol: Now that is comedic talent right there. :cheers:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 401657)
Even that orange ING balloon is trying to GTF out of the way. LOL

Nice job Dave. :thumbsup:

Thanks Vince... I think. :lol:


Hey Todd, that's right... I am dangerous...



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