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Ron in SoCal 08-10-2014 11:35 AM

I need a :holyguacamole: icon.

Or, as Skip and Dave would say #holyguacamole :D

Jr 08-10-2014 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 564929)
I rode in Mayhem. It's like an electric motor, very linear power, the harder you push the pedal the faster it goes. Absolutely amazing, and convinced me that my next build will be a blower.

Was this with the traction control on?

Rick D 08-10-2014 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 564941)
I need a :holyguacamole: icon.

Or, as Skip and Dave would say #holyguacamole :D

Time for an upgrade Ron??? :lol: :confused18:

Streetking 08-10-2014 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 564912)
A tick more boost via a blueprinted blower and a slightly smaller pulley. Also a very good inlet tube and reworked blower inlet. On the exhaust side we corked it up to simulate full exhaust via flow restrictors. So I think we will clear 950 HP installed without much trouble. We also use 35 C intercooler water to be more real world. With chilled water we can clear a 1000 HP no problem? Mayhem was fast this should be even faster with more power, less weight,and more down force. If I can get it done!

Very impressive Mark. It should work nicely, great power curves...

mikels 08-10-2014 01:50 PM

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Just started data analysis from dyno testing today - needless to say, we somewhat exceeded targets.....

Will have complete breakdown of data within a couple of days, but here is a comparison of power from Mayhem to Hellfire.

In sticking with Mark's theme of 'more power + less mass' it is certainly directionally correct.

Some statics of Hellfire engine:
Average TQ from 2100-6800 RPM = 871 #/FT
Average HP from 2100-6800 RPM = 726 HP
Peak TQ: 950
Peak HP: 931


For fair comparison, compared to Mayhem over same range (3900-6800 RPM):
Mayhem Hellfire
AVG TQ 765 847
AVG HP 772 852

More to come - much data to process.....

Dave

Che70velle 08-10-2014 01:58 PM

I guess if your into that sort of thing....
That torque curve looks delicious. Did I just say that out loud?

camcojb 08-10-2014 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jr (Post 564942)
Was this with the traction control on?

No traction control on that car other than your right foot. :lol:

Stielow 08-10-2014 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikels (Post 564960)
Just started data analysis from dyno testing today - needless to say, we somewhat exceeded targets.....

Will have complete breakdown of data within a couple of days, but here is a comparison of power from Mayhem to Hellfire.

In sticking with Mark's theme of 'more power + less mass' it is certainly directionally correct.

Some statics of Hellfire engine:
Average TQ from 2100-6800 RPM = 871 #/FT
Average HP from 2100-6800 RPM = 726 HP
Peak TQ: 950
Peak HP: 931


For fair comparison, compared to Mayhem over same range (3900-6800 RPM):
Mayhem Hellfire
AVG TQ 765 847
AVG HP 772 852

More to come - much data to process.....

Dave


For those of you who don't know Dave Mikels he is the brains behind my power and success for over 24 years. He did the engine in our FSAE car back in 1990 and 1991. I did the chassis and Dave did the engine. Huh same as now. Dave is also a great driver so we have been a good team for a few years. We were roommates at Rolla, MO

The years I did well at OUSCI it was Dave in my window telling where to pick up time in the Auto-X. Not my best event but I can do when I need to with a good spotter.

So we are at again. I think Dave will get it all sorted out! Looks good so far. I'm going to need more chassis to put all this power down.

Mark

mikels 08-10-2014 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jr (Post 564918)
Good god!

Is that still a 2.3L blower? 6 bolt heads?

Yes - 'massaged' LS9 2300 supercharger

No - 4 bolt heads - LS7 block / CNC LS9 heads (I think we are near or at the limit for 4-bolt)

Jr 08-10-2014 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikels (Post 564972)
Yes - 'massaged' LS9 2300 supercharger

No - 4 bolt heads - LS7 block / CNC LS9 heads (I think we are near or at the limit for 4-bolt)

Very impressive numbers for a "messaged" 2.3L blower. Is the inlet and outlet for the intercooler bigger than stock? Keeping 1K HP cool must need help...

fleetus macmullitz 08-10-2014 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 564971)
I'm going to need more chassis to put all this power down.

Mark

Mark,

Care to elaborate on what you mean by needing "more chassis"?

Stielow 08-10-2014 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo mentis (Post 564976)
Mark,

Care to elaborate on what you mean by needing "more chassis"?

I need to get it running to sort out the spring, bars and dampers to handle the new power and front weight.

Mark

BBC71Nova 08-10-2014 06:40 PM

Wow! Very nice.

HellCat vs. HellFire... If only...

wiedemab 08-11-2014 05:44 AM

Push on the "go pedal" and you'll look like this!

http://thatslikewhoa.com/wp-content/...wind-face1.jpg

HBRod 08-11-2014 06:48 AM

Gotta love that torque curve. I can see why you are saying you need to get the chassis sorted out. You should be able to put power down anywhere that you can maintain traction. Will make the AutoX and Speed/Stop more interesting.

Time frame on when you'll be able to start your tuning?

Rod

Stielow 08-11-2014 12:49 PM

I made a lot of progress over the weekend. I got all the parts back to assemble the rear axle. It has a C&R Racing Remmed gears that was run in at C&R axle dyno to make sure the frictional loses are good and it is quite. The housing is a steel Strange Engineer part so I could install the diff cooler. All the Detroit Speed brackets are welded on it. The axle ends are my design that uses the SKF bearing, production C-6 park brake and all C-6 Corvette mounting interfaces. The axle ends are dry due to a GM axle seal in the end of the axle tube in the tube end. The axle shafts are 300 M material that are gun drilled to save a little mass. I was also able to design a park brake cable that interfaces to a '69 Camaro so you can use the stock '69 Camaro park brake system.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps6f165097.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscc278308.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psf03b8270.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps1ec4e077.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd2ff1e96.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psbc6ddb28.jpg

Stielow 08-11-2014 12:53 PM

I also hammed out all the brake lines for the ABS system over the last week. Just for referance these brake lines took me a full week to make and I've done this twice before. 40 feet of brake lines. But doing it with out the front clip is a huge time saver.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psa8380537.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps1526190c.jpg

MeanMike 08-11-2014 01:26 PM

From the looks of the 4 gear truetrac, you must be using 31 splines at the diff end of the axle. Even then, it looks like the axle shafts are necked down below the minor diameter of the splines.

Majority opinion says that with the power your motor makes, that you would need 35 spline axles. Does the lack of bending load from the "floater" setup, make that much difference? I guess if you never plan to run a drag slick, the tire is the breaking point. Just wondering why 31 spline, what is the reasoning behind that choice? Does the corvette bearing limit it? Is 300M worth that much? I just went through this with my car (simlar power) and ended up with 35 spline axles and truetrac.

Sieg 08-11-2014 01:35 PM

Looking good Mark.

89 days till OUSCI........pedal down!

GregWeld 08-11-2014 02:44 PM

Better than PERFECT Mark.


Hope you're not planning on selling this to Charley.... he doesn't like things "improved". LOL

Rick D 08-11-2014 04:07 PM

Great progress Mark! Can't wait to see it on the track!!

Ketzer 08-11-2014 04:31 PM

I am amazed every time I look at this thread (and all Mark's threads).
All the info that is freely given. The time spent posting pics and answering questions, showing refinements, tech secrets, part numbers, vendors, every detail it takes to build one of these masterpieces.
Pretty darn cool.




Jeff-

waynieZ 08-11-2014 08:42 PM

Mark that motor is amazing. It makes more horse power than my car with both the original and new motor combined!

rat_rod_russell 08-11-2014 09:14 PM

Killer line work! Line and electrical some of my favorite details to look at on a project. They say so much about your focus and attention to detail on a project.

I really want to run ABS on the PT-57. I wish you had a "how to" article somewhere on the interwebs for those of us who wish to follow in your footsteps.

-Russell

HBRod 08-12-2014 09:58 AM

Beautiful line work. As previously said, great attention to detail. Is the distribution block on the front cross member possible due to the set back of the engine in the car this time or is this the same as Mayhem? Regardless it is both fun and educational to watch you piece together your cars. I really do appreciate the amount of work you do to support this thread while building the car, working full time (at a job that all of us wish we had the knowledge and skill to do), and having a life for you and your new wife.

Thank you,
Rod

bentfab 08-12-2014 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 565151)
I also hammed out all the brake lines for the ABS system over the last week. Just for referance these brake lines took me a full week to make and I've done this twice before. 40 feet of brake lines. But doing it with out the front clip is a huge time saver.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psa8380537.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps1526190c.jpg



HAHA !!!

I think I know what you mean... Looks killer !


Mark

Stielow 08-12-2014 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bentfab (Post 565387)
HAHA !!!

I think I know what you mean... Looks killer !


Mark

Thanks. I think it is OCD issue. Doing hard lines. :bang:

Stielow 08-29-2014 06:35 AM

Fuel Tanks
 
Ricks made me a very nice tank with twin Camaro ZL-1 pumps.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps79b32e7d.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psa0d23172.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps93e6e97a.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps29257e01.jpg

Vapor Worx preressure feedback sensor and TechAFX lines

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps19b51e57.jpg

Swain 08-29-2014 06:38 AM

Very nice Mark.

Stielow 08-29-2014 06:42 AM

Clutch
 
I went with a Centerforce Clutch and D &D Performance in Wixon Mi installed a oil pump in my trans. They are offering this now. It is the same pump as the TR6060 in a Magnum box. I will use it to pump my trans fluid to the rad to cool the fluid then that fluid will go to the diff.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psa2695a3c.jpg

This a GT500 throw out bearing with a quick connect. The GT500 CSC has more travel and a smaller effective piston area so it will stroke farther.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscc7020ff.jpg

Diff cooler


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps08cb0738.jpg

I installed the engine, trans, rear axle, drive shaft and fuel tank last weekend.

Also you can see the Bosch ABS controller in this shot in front of the engine. Late change to go to Bosch to work with the Carbon Ceramic Brakes

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psc4aadc81.jpg

Stielow 08-29-2014 06:55 AM

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psbea5b4e9.jpg

Sieg 08-29-2014 06:58 AM

Progress! :thumbsup:

Track Junky 08-29-2014 07:07 AM

Lord!! The Insanity!! This car is going to be insane!! :hairpullout:

MeanMike 08-29-2014 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 567897)
This a GT500 throw out bearing with a quick connect. The GT500 CSC has more travel and a smaller effective piston area so it will stroke farther.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscc7020ff.jpg

Interesting. I love how you use so many factory parts. How do you bleed the system?

bentfab 08-29-2014 08:49 AM

Hey Mark,

Can you clear some room in your PM box.


Mark

Ppd1979 08-29-2014 08:53 AM

In the picture of the front of the trans is the fluid pump in the bottom left?

Stielow 08-29-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ppd1979 (Post 567933)
In the picture of the front of the trans is the fluid pump in the bottom left?

Yes the discharge for the pump is the AN fitting on the lower left. The return is on the side of the trans.

mitch_04 08-29-2014 10:08 AM

I hope to someday have a project and shop that are so clean I can work in shorts and sandals...well... I still work in shorts and sandals, but my feet are really dirty!

Thanks for the thread Mark, it's inspiring watching this build. Above my budget, but I love the engineering that goes along with the parts. The differential cooler, Z06 rear axle bearings...great stuff!

Frankenstine 08-29-2014 10:37 AM

Wow
 
OUTSTANDING work Mr Stielow .
:king:

andreb 08-29-2014 10:44 AM

Like always, your builds are amazing. Your garage is awesome too. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.


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