Matt thats a beautiful piece! And thats going to be one stout engine!

Holy Schnikeys... now THAT is awesome dude! :cheers: :thumbsup:

I think you are doing just fine "rounding up" the rest of what you need. :lol:

So much for the less sophisticated set up. :lol: Looks cool man.

True dat!

I think I've reached a point where I've just given up on simple. I might not ever be able to get complex stuff to work right, but I can't ever get simple to work right either, so I might was well just look cool :cool:

Mission accomplished! :hail:

Damn that is sexy

I wish my wallet could reach the point where I could afford the complex stuff. Of course my choice in motors means my simple junk is probably as expensive as your nice stuff :rofl:

:wow: That manifold is SICK :wow:

Look cool definitely accomplished :thumbsup: It should run pretty dam well also.

So true. By the time your engine is fully plummed and ready to fire it will probably cost more than my three engines combined. That idea kind of scares me since I'm eventually going to have to buy an engine for my little fastback. Do you think if I put a Jenvey intake on my little LS (the one pictured) and had some billet valve covers cut to look like old Ford ones that anyone would notice it was actually an LS? :_paranoid

Matt

What year fastback? I can't even think of such things.
It feels like I was just stabbed through the heart :fire:
I need to sign off and rest :faint:

If you thought you that felt like a knife to the heart, then this might hurt a little bit. It is a '65, which has been... modified. Some say "Camaroized." It is tasteful though, and still thoroughly Mustang, I swear!

Matt

You,....:( own a a late model Shelby stang.. et Tu. brute:question:

:wow: I'm gonna need therapy.:faint:

Or a six pack:cheers:

Oh, and my Shelby doesn't have the "S H E L B Y" lettering on the trunk either. :lol: It was that way when I bought it though, and I didn't feel like buying new lettering for it.

Come on down to the shop sometime and I'll drive you over to Stone Brewing company. It is a block down the street, and they've got all of the therapy you can drink!

Matt

what are the throttle bore sizes on that manifold?

Jody, I believe they're 52mm. I have a feeling setting this up is going to be "fun." Have you ever worked with a similar setup?

I have run IR setups. Never owned the crossram version though, but I have done tuning on them. My only concern is that the butterflies may be too small if this is a high HP setup, if they are truly 52 mm. It would really depend on what these throttle bodies flow. I had 2 3/16" throttle blades on a 406 small block (55.5 mm) and they were too small for the combo. Made 480 rwhp but was also pulling vacuum at WOT due to the restriction.

Has he said what these flow? The Hilborn setup was only good for 285 cfm according to them in the 55mm size. Maybe these flow more. You'd like them to flow as good as your heads or better, but at least close. You'll love the setup, torque and throttle response are incredible. Plus the looks.......... :thumbsup:

Second that thought on proper sizing of bores.

A certified FE engine nut wrote a book where he ran ever FE intake manifold he could find on 4 FE builds. From a 320hp 428 cj to a 500hp 390 stroker to a 427 and then a stroked 700hp 482. On the three smaller motors the weber intake with 48IDAs made the best average hp and torque by a significant margin. It did not make the highest peak hp on any engine and as the peak hp climbed on each "bigger" engine the ranking of the IR webber set up fell lower on the scale.. As Jody said it was pulling to much vac at WOT showing the flow was limited. The highest peak hp of these motors was a little over 600.

Once on the 700+ hp 482 it's peak performance fell to the bottom three of 30 manifolds and it's avg score also fell in the bottom 20%.

On the webber FE intake manifold the runner was a short straight run into the port so mainly the flow of the bore was what influenced performance.

On your IR crossram the IR length and flow should have a tuning effect for desired RPM range. I only know enough to be dangerous here but if you look at some articles by the top sheet metal intake builders you see they tune the intake with the runner size and length to the motor. We can speculate all we want but the intake designer should have an intended operating RPM range for a given amount of intake flow and engine displacement and be able to tell you if it will make your motor a star or hold it back.:unibrow:



I'd take the S H E L B Y lettering off anyway. By 1969 he was already out of building Mustangs and only badging them for profit. ;)

Better watch out what you offer I'll take you up on it. I'm off work ext week running car building errands. As long as the drive over isn't in an LS powered 65. :mad: If I win the lottery I'll buy you a Fordstrokers Dart block FI 363 and pay you to throw the LS in a Nova. :D

:cheers:

:rofl: Probably not all three engines (I'm not building a cammer) but for sure probably more than your most expensive one. I did spend a couple years collecting some of the big parts at a discount. :unibrow:

You're in luck, if you decide to stop by, the only thing I currently have running at the moment is the GT500. I often joke with Brett H who makes it out to a bunch of the So Cal pro touring events that Mustangs make great back up cars. His Fox Body frequently fills in for his Trans Am.

Jody, I will have to check the sizing when I get a chance. I think Jenvey's website said 52mm, but Mack at Emerald Performance, their U.S. distributer, might have said 60mm. The throttle body's certainly look more like the 60mm ones pictures. There is a thread somewhere on ls1tech of a 468LS build. As long as I have what that guy has, I should be ok. In any case, Mack seemed to thing everything would work right up until I told him I was dropping the engine into an old Camaro, at which point he told me that I was probably going to kill myself.

Wow Matt that manifold is freckling awesome!! :thumbsup: So much for simple :wow:

Man, that looks sick. Very nice piece.

Cool set up Matt

Sweet Car!!!!!!!

Update, because a bunch of you guys keep reminding me that I own this damn thing. :lol:

It has been a while, But that's okay, sometimes things take a while, and getting angry rarely helps the process in the end. Having my Mustang back up car has been nice as I've still been able to attend driving events and hang out with the usual suspects, (you guys know who you are), and that is really where the fun is. Although, now that I think about it, the powers of the dark side seem to have helped me along. I never won an event of any kind in the Camaro, but have managed two class wins in the Mustang :lol:

Anyway, I haven't forgotten about the Camaro and it is actually coming together now. I know it isn't saying much, but it will be done before Dave's car.
I've been getting parts in (finally). The block is done Steve, at R.E.D. did a great job, and I just want to make sure that no one thinks he was the hold up. I finally got to pick the heads up. They are RHS's new Pro Elite LS7 heads. I also spent part of today figuring out how to pull vacuum and run a map sensor off of the intake manifold. I think I've devised something that will work. Now I just have to drill and tap each individual runner, the idea of which kinda frightens me, because you only get one opportunity.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps14b068a4.jpg

Matt

'bout time Matt :thumbsup:

Dangit I was hoping you sold this and just had the Mustang now.

Pick a side dude. Rob needs some backup.

You can't tell me to pick a side until you do something about those stripes.

Sold it? Sell it? Nah, it has been just long enough that it will feel like driving a new car when I get it back. Actually, it probably will feel like a new car. I've gotta resize my master cylinders for less pedal effort, which should also make the brakes feel more aggressive. I mean I'll be adding almost 200hp and when you add that much power, you're going to feel like your brakes suck :lol:

"Pro Elite" eh? Sounds fancy. Bolt it together already and let's go! Time to get the purple cone eater back on track!

Whaddayamean you only get one opportunity? You got eight of 'em. Get drillin' and work it out as you go!

x2

G.

Make a mistake, have some JB Weld handy.:unibrow:

Enough with the pick a side thing already, you guys. Can't I have both? I see it as two distinct categories. Last night at Adams, running a Ford was like competing in the Special Olympics, or Paralympics to be a little more kind. Yes, I won for having the fastest Ford, but I was two seconds of the fast time of the day. :_paranoid

Matt

And how far from stock was that Ford?

Matt,

Where is the picture with you sporting that retro Shelby jacket you won last night:lol:

Man with TWO Fords I think you chosen sides :lol: J/k
Well it's about time you updated this, with Todd closing up shop we Need others to step up :lol: thanks Matt!!

I do need to get a picture of that jacket. It is pure awesome, and xxl which means when I'm 60 I won't look out of place wearing it. :lol:

Springs, sway bars and old used up tires. I'm tempted to put a set of sticky tires on it, but I don't want to be buying tires for it that will be gone by December. I really can't complain though, that car weighs 4000lbs with 57 percent of the weight over its nose with me in it, and handles well enough I don't need any electronic aids, so to be able to hold its own on a go kart track is, well... remarkable. Of course, the fastest car out there was actually a truck, so we're a bit of an odd group. Your Torino will be right at home.

Matt

You could always do the regifting thing and give it as a late wedding present to DG. :lol: for the record I like the stripes Dave:thumbsup:
http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/atta...obrajacket.jpg

Sorry for the thread jack. Matt keep the progress going:thumbsup:

Come to think of it, that would make the perfect gift for Dave, it is blue, has white stripes, and screams Ford without saying it!

No need to apologize about being off topic, the thick of this build is in the beginning, and the rest of the pages are filled with is happening as time goes on, usually that has to do with parts that have been broken, or simply replaced because I have something in common with Ron. I don't mind at all if we all post about what is sort, vaguely relevant at the moment, because I know there is no way this is ever going to end up like Dave's thread.

Anyway, yes, that jacket is pretty much what I won. It is even funnier if you really know me. I'm not exactly a Shelby fan. I don't dislike everything Shelby, rather I feel like Shelby marketing and branding has gotten so out of hand that it is simply ridiculous, in an entertaining way, of course. One of the things that makes me laugh is when I see Ford guys at Cars and Coffee, and they've got a Shelby hat, and Jacket, a shelby signed dash, and Shelby lettering on their car that wasn't built by Shelby. What is even more ironic is that when I bought my GT500, either the previous owner, or the paint shop that put on ghosted stripes decided to leave the Shelby lettering off :lol: So, there I was at Adams on Tuesday running against all the Mustang guys with their Cobras, who probably had all kinds of Shelby apparel, and lo and behold by the end of the night I had the fastest time, earning me the treasured jacket, which reads on the tag, "Officially Licensed Vintage Racing Apparel" or something of the like, despite the fact that there is no official branding present. Unlike Tom's picture, the Ford oval has been traded out for a pair of checkered flags and the Cobra badge is mysteriously devoid of the Cobra lettering and has been modified just enough to avoid copyright infringement :lol: Oh and I can't forget that most contemporaries give me endless sh-- for "being an old person." The very sight of me wearing this jacket would probably bring them to the floor laughing It is a good thing that girl I mentioned a while back moved back to D.C. she would probably refuse to be seen in public in its presence!:rofl: I'm looking forward to wearing this jacket and nerding out over car talk.

Matt

I had forgotten that you owned a 69 Camaro... :lol:

nice heads! those are the ones wegners doing the cnc work on. they claim theyre much better than anything remotely "ls7".

steves an awesome guy. took a lot of time with me and got some awesome work done. cant wait to see yours running. it will be a few years ahead of mine.........

:lol: :lol: Someone needs to get to Matt and get him to a doctor fast he must be breathing to much bondo dust at BOS!!

No.

:thumbsup: :D

Nah, I try to wear a respirator, however, I had to clean out a bunch of lead on the Fastback, and that might have done it...

And Dave, I might just have to get you one of those jackets. Actually, I might be buying a few. Karl has a Mustang back up car for Blue Balz, and Brett H has one for his Trans Am. Ordinarily I'd say you needed one to join our little club, but exceptions can be made for rare individuals, besides, I seem to remember you had a Crown Vic at some point.

Matt