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Track Junky 06-30-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dstryr (Post 490528)
Glad my sway bar clamp I made for you guys worked LOL

Thanks...it did work well but we're going to need a little revision. Vince will be talking to you soon. :unibrow:

Track Junky 06-30-2013 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 490534)
Now we have to sit and determine if the sway bar change induced snap over steer or if your tires just weren't working with the track. I predicted that you would have to tune for neutrality and just not tight.

Clamp worked fine but we need to make two changes. We'll talk later.

Track Junky 06-30-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 490448)
he just said it was fine. I assume its good cause if it was bad I'd hear it.

He should be done with session 3 now. shows its 91 degrees up there now.

Second session was red flagged after the third lap due to a 4 wheel off in 8 that started a fire. When I stopped and looked at my oil pressure it was 30 lbs at idle. Payton was right.....a 25 lb solenoid will work for the accusump.

Track Junky 06-30-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490446)
Temps good assuming it 85-90* already.

How's the oil pressure?

It was 109 at Willows when I left. Water temps never got over 190. Pretty amazing. No way to know what oil pressures were while I was driving......too busy keeping my eyes on the road. A cowl mounted oil pressure gauge would be the only way I'd be able to see where oil pressures were at.

Vince@Meanstreets 06-30-2013 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490548)
Clamp worked fine but we need to make two changes. We'll talk later.

don't tell me:

make it in AL
replace the allen button heads with longer 6 point ARP's
lengthen the chromoly rods by 1.250 in
increase the bar length by 2" on each side.

:D

Vince@Meanstreets 06-30-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490550)
Second session was red flagged after the third lap due to a 4 wheel off in 8 that started a fire. When I stopped and looked at my oil pressure it was 30 lbs at idle. Payton was right.....a 25 lb solenoid will work for the accusump.

cars that hot...lol

Vince@Meanstreets 06-30-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490554)
It was 109 at Willows when I left. Water temps never got over 190. Pretty amazing. No way to know what oil pressures were while I was driving......too busy keeping my eyes on the road. A cowl mounted oil pressure gauge would be the only way I'd be able to see where oil pressures were at.

thats why I like to mount the gauges so the needles are straight up at normal operating ranges.

Track Junky 06-30-2013 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 490555)
don't tell me:

make it in AL
replace the allen button heads with longer 6 point ARP's
lengthen the chromoly rods by 1.250 in
increase the bar length by 2" on each side.

:D

Well since your going there:

keep it steel
We need to narrow it
Heim joint rod is hitting upper bracket when I max it out for length.

Vince@Meanstreets 06-30-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490559)
Well since your going there:

keep it steel
We need to narrow it
Heim joint rod is hitting upper bracket when I max it out for length.

i'll take a look at it when you are in for the accusump

Vince@Meanstreets 06-30-2013 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490559)
Well since your going there:

keep it steel
We need to narrow it
Heim joint rod is hitting upper bracket when I max it out for length.

how was the adjustments in the heat? easy?

GregWeld 06-30-2013 08:44 PM

Glad you had a good time Gae!


Just so ya know - I've always had all my wheels on the track even when I spun it in turn 9...

I can only imagine how greasy it was out there today. OMG.... Way too hot! The oil would have been oozing out it.


How hot were YOU??

Sieg 06-30-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490554)
It was 109 at Willows when I left. Water temps never got over 190. Pretty amazing. No way to know what oil pressures were while I was driving......too busy keeping my eyes on the road. A cowl mounted oil pressure gauge would be the only way I'd be able to see where oil pressures were at.

Mount a GoPro to record gauge data during the session? Poor mans telemetry.

Track Junky 06-30-2013 09:25 PM

Sorry guys, Go Pro vid is a fail so I'll just run through the day session by session. Most laps I got in each session were maybe 4-5 at the most. As soon as I new I wasn't going to turn a faster lap I came in to log info and make adjustments and let me add trying to tune on a slick track was no easy task.
Session one started out well. 1st and second lap felt fine in the corners. I was relaxed and taking the car in. She felt really smooth and neutral in the corners. I started to get on er a little harder the third lap and she started to feel real greasy. Hot tires slick track. 4th lap I was coming up on three real hard. I came in from the outside for a late apex with an early turn in anticipating the four wheel drift to nail the apex perfectly. 1/4 of the way in the back end came around and I caught her just in time to be able to drive straight through the dry grass with 4 off and continue through four. Time to bring er in. Only thing that made me nervous was the shuttering of the steering wheel heading down the straight. It had never done this before and I attribute it to the new alignment set up for now but I will be checking, bearings, brakes, etc. The new alignment went from 1.8 neg camber to 2.5 and I brought the toe in another 32th for 1/16 positive toe on each side.

Time to hit the sack. To be continued......

intocarss 06-30-2013 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490554)
It was 109 at Willows when I left. Water temps never got over 190. Pretty amazing. No way to know what oil pressures were while I was driving......too busy keeping my eyes on the road. A cowl mounted oil pressure gauge would be the only way I'd be able to see where oil pressures were at.

Do you have a low oil pressure warning light? I'd rather just be able to see a bright light then watch a gauge...

You can make your own or


Adjustable one
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjust...Kits,7805.html

just the light
http://www.autoaccessoriesgarage.com...-Warning-Light

You can also get a low oil pressure Ing cut off switch

http://onanparts.com/index.php?main_...roducts_id=549

JEGS has all these too

Flash68 06-30-2013 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 490448)
He should be done with session 3 now. shows its 91 degrees up there now.

91?! I bet it was 91 at 4am in Willows!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490585)
and I brought the toe in another 16th for 1/16 positive toe.

Curious why you went 1/16 toe in?

Vince@Meanstreets 06-30-2013 10:33 PM

91?! I bet it was 91 at 4am in Willows!

thats what my fancy iPhone weather head told me.....

Curious why you went 1/16 toe in?
cause he likes to make as many changes as he can all at once, just to keep me on my toes :D

Track Junky 07-01-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 490569)
how was the adjustments in the heat? easy?

If your asking me if I was sweating my ass off as I twisted wrenches underneath my car in 100 plus temps then yes, very easy

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 490571)
Glad you had a good time Gae!


Just so ya know - I've always had all my wheels on the track even when I spun it in turn 9...

I can only imagine how greasy it was out there today. OMG.... Way too hot! The oil would have been oozing out it.


How hot were YOU??

Thanks Greg. To be honest the heat wasn't really that bad. It was a really dry heat and it didn't really effect me......but then again I am pretty acclamated to the heat since I spend most my time in the field. Track was slick but with the right set of shocks I could have adjusted for it. I believe the shocks I was using were inconsistent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490576)
Mount a GoPro to record gauge data during the session? Poor mans telemetry.

C'mon Sieg!! Did you really just ask me to use a Go Pro? :snapout:

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 490588)
Do you have a low oil pressure warning light? I'd rather just be able to see a bright light then watch a gauge...

You can make your own or


Adjustable one
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Adjust...Kits,7805.html

just the light
http://www.autoaccessoriesgarage.com...-Warning-Light

You can also get a low oil pressure Ing cut off switch

http://onanparts.com/index.php?main_...roducts_id=549

JEGS has all these too

Thanks Jer....warning light will get installed in mid August :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 490596)
91?! I bet it was 91 at 4am in Willows!



Curious why you went 1/16 toe in?

I've been playing around with my alignment just to see how the car reacts. Last time out I was 1.8 neg camber, 1/32 pos toe, and 7.2 castor. The temps on the outside of front tires were 7* higher than the inside.
This time around I went with 2.5 neg camber, 8.5 pos castor, and 1/16th pos toe. Outside tire temps dropped 4 degrees.
I think the shuttering of the wheel was due to the toe setting but i still need to get under there and take a look.

Sieg 07-01-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490743)
C'mon Sieg!! Did you really just ask me to use a Go Pro? :snapout:

Mount a video camera of some sort to record your gauge readings. :hello:

FETorino 07-01-2013 06:15 PM

:snapout: Your a track star Damit...... stop being so cheap and buy a data logger.:bitchslap:

Problem solved.

:cheers:

Track Junky 07-01-2013 06:22 PM

So continuing on.....session 2 was a total bust. There was a delay at starting grid for debri clean up in turn 6. We got around one lap and then a red flag. All cars came to a halt. Somebody got 4 off in 8 and started a grass fire.

No adjustments for session three since I never ran session two. Oh yeah, dont think I mentioned that I took 2 lbs of air out of the rears for seesion 2 due to session 1 incident. Session 3 went well until the 3rd lap when the driver side started getting loose again. I wasn't going to get any faster so I brought the car in for adjustments.

I lengthened the arm on the rear sway bar on the driver side and took a click back on the shock setting to get ready for session 4.

Session 4 went well until third lap. I rolled through turn three fine but when I swung the wheel back for turn 4(back to back turns 3 right and 4 left for those of you that dont know T-Hill)The back end came out and I couldn't catch it fast enough. Ended up with my back end facing turn 5 cyclone. Fired er back up and brought er back in.

All in all it was a good day. I know the sway bar is doing it's job because the front no longer pushes. I may have had too much rear bar in it but I if I did I didn't catch it fast enough this time around. I also could have dropped rear roll center on the watts but once again another "what if".
Important thing is that I learned a few things and can move forward from here. Looking forward to the next track day. :thumbsup:

Track Junky 07-01-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490745)
Mount a video camera of some sort to record your gauge readings. :hello:

I was just messin with you Sieg. You know my luck with Go Pros. Definitely a great idea but it all takes time and :G-Dub:

I think the next thing to be spending on is an Accusump and a warning light.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 490748)
:snapout: Your a track star Damit...... stop being so cheap and buy a data logger.:bitchslap:

Problem solved.

:cheers:

Yeah Ok, I'll mull it over with the wife and see what she thinks :lol:

Ron in SoCal 07-01-2013 07:31 PM

Your wife picks out your data logger? Man she's a keeper! :D

Track Junky 07-01-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 490755)
Your wife picks out your data logger? Man she's a keeper! :D

actually my wife is a data logger.......and when the data gets into the red..... :rules:

Sieg 07-01-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490754)
I was just messin with you Sieg. You know my luck with Go Pros. Definitely a great idea but it all takes time and :G-Dub:

I think the next thing to be spending on is an Accusump and a warning light.

It only takes seconds unless you get GW to help you.

Set it up right and we'd get to see your fancy footwork too! :D

Flash68 07-01-2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 490759)
actually my wife is a data logger.......and when the data gets into the red..... :rules:

:lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490770)
It only takes seconds unless you get GW to help you.

Set it up right and we'd get to see your fancy footwork too! :D

As long as you upgrade the firmware (on the older software) you just use the One Touch setting.... and it's literally ONE TOUCH. :thumbsup:

G -- I'll be up there at Sonoma in Aug when you guys are there... I will be your Go Pro pit crew guy. Cool?

Track Junky 07-01-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 490772)
:lol:



As long as you upgrade the firmware (on the older software) you just use the One Touch setting.... and it's literally ONE TOUCH. :thumbsup:

G -- I'll be up there at Sonoma in Aug when you guys are there... I will be your Go Pro pit crew guy. Cool?


You just reminded me. I forgot to sign up. I cant keep up with anything these days. See you there :thumbsup:

fleet 07-01-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 490772)

G -- I'll be up there at Sonoma in Aug when you guys are there... I will be your Go Pro pit crew guy. Cool?

http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...es/pictime.gif

Track Junky 07-02-2013 07:54 PM

Need to make a correction. I just went into the NCRC site and It looks like Andrew went out on the last session and took me by 1.6. :ohsnap:

Sieg 07-09-2013 12:23 PM

Gaetano,

When it's all dialed in and T-Hill starts to get boring........


Vince@Meanstreets 07-09-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 492163)
Gaetano,

When it's all dialed in and T-Hill starts to get boring........


Seeg, is that a picture of a cone on its side? LOL

Never mind you fixed the link


Would not be good, he complains about tire usage as it is

GregWeld 07-09-2013 05:41 PM

Wow -- he's drifting T-Hill faster than I can drive it.... pretty damn talented guy -- but he put me to sleep with his monolog drone....


He and Tanner Faust would be a ball at an all night party... :D :faint: :faint:

Track Junky 07-10-2013 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 492163)
Gaetano,

When it's all dialed in and T-Hill starts to get boring........


Interesting....thanks for sharing Sieg. Honestly dont see me doing that at T-Hill anytime soon but I have been wanting to do a little "drift" video if you will. I think it would be pretty fun and I have the perfect set of tires begging to be shredded in my storage shed. One of those "set up the cones and drift around them" type thing. Just need time to find a good sized empty lot. :unibrow:

intocarss 07-10-2013 06:45 PM

This is drifting:headspin:


Flash68 08-11-2013 01:28 PM

Give em hell out there today... :Tomcat:

Vince@Meanstreets 08-12-2013 04:08 PM

Had a productive outing.
Should be a video posting soon.

Flash68 08-12-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 498692)
Should be a video posting soon.

Yeah we've heard that before. :twak:

Sieg 08-12-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 498692)
Had a productive outing.
Should be a video posting soon.

:popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:

Track Junky 08-12-2013 08:19 PM

Hey guys......had a great time at T-Hill. Very productive.......learned alot more about the car and Vince and I will use what I learned towards setting up the next subframe. I'll fill you guys in on the details as soon as I can.

I have alot of decent pics and am currently converting and editing vids now. Hopefully will have them up by tomorrow. :thankyou:

Vince@Meanstreets 08-13-2013 11:03 AM

on youtube.
hope you left me some popcorn sieg.

Sieg 08-13-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 498868)
hope you left me some popcorn sieg.

Fresh popcorn and cold beer! :cheers:

Car and driver are looking good and the motor sounds great!!!

Gae - Nice lines buddy, the last couple of laps looked quick, right on the edge of traction thru that sneaky T6 :thumbsup:

How's the gearing? Almost sounds like you're maxed just a little early on the front straight?

Camera's just don't do the crest of 9 and the run down the hill justice.

I'm waiting for you to hold it pinned over the crest in T5 :unibrow:


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