Oh no! No street anything in this build. No headlights... no signals... VIN... Title... insurance... no pump gas... It's a track car for sure. I like it that way. Not to mention I'm not driving around any cones! I've chased enough of those damn orange things!! If I had to drive around them - they'd have to completely re-set the entire track after every lap!! LOL

Ouch, it didn't sound good on the day.

No it didn't did it Greg. Motors aren't supposed to be making knocking noises! Rowdy as they may be... That metal thumping isn't "music" - unless you're a rebuilder!!! Then that's the sound of money!! LOL

Kinda takes the track out of the title"track car". Bummer.

How many hp?

The current 356 cubic inch Ford has been making 590 HP... on 110 octane race gas. It's pretty rumpity.... and revs super quick. Nice motor - that just has issues. Sometimes it's just something stupid that doesn't get caught during the build. Thus the new eyeballs this time around.

That is a healthy little chit.

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ar/Mustang.jpg

What did Ron and the new engine builder say about that oil pressure?

I sent this dyno sheet to Tony Borello and asked him about the oil pressure..... But I just sent it today so don't expect a response yet.

The "quote" did list a new oil pump and pick up.... He also doesn't use Oliver rods - the current rods in the motor - and asked if it was okay to change them to Carrillo Rods and a stronger bolt... That added 2K to the build but I said sure... I want it to be a Borello motor... so whatever he wants to change is okay with me.

Welds mustang
 

My build is about 8 years old
Don't track as much as I used to but
About 4 times a year. Run it to 7000 rpm
all the time. Oil pressure is 58-63psi all the time

Best motor it have ever had
Pontiac has motor #9 but some
were junkyard dogs

Mustang motor (Chet's car lasted me 11 track days

Builder says attention to detail is the thing
Good oil pan and cooler. I also run -10 supply out
of an aero motive pump with a -8 return. No starving
the motor ever even with a carb. Keeps the fuel cool
Only run 30% leaded gas to as my builder says lube the valves
On a 9.8 to 1 motor

Works for me. But as my buddy says I will never have a motor like it again

Wish you the best of luck on yours Greg

Panteracer

Done yet?

Probably by tomorrow.



I did order 8 new Hoosier A7's today... does that count??

Well that's good. Hopefully you'll be able to keep up with me now. :lol:

You'll have to give me a week so Sutton can sort it out.... The point being that we can sort out in one weekend of tracking what will take Ron of So Cal the next couple of years... LOL

I see you and Dave went to the same comedy class :lol:

16's? 17's? 22's?

On the oil psi deal, its been said 10psi per 1K rpm...really? Aren't oil pumps designed to flow a certain amount? Is a standard pump built/set for 60psi and it has a loss at greater rpm's?....I better go open a book.

Looking forward to seeing what's been done.

:thumbsup:
Dan

If he's smart he'll stick with the 16's. I've driven behind that car and it does well.

New wheels are Formula 43 RAD 10 Club Sports with Laguna Grey centers in 18 X 9.5 squared. New Hoosiers A7's are 245/35/18 which is their latest greatest tire. The A6 is now considered a discontinued tire.


Yes the general rule of thumb I've always known about is 10 psi per 1,000 rpms...

That is going to make a HUGE difference in how the car handles!! You are going to love them!!

Well --- there's a few more things being done besides wheels... HAHAHAHAHAHA


The ClubSport wheel has additional lightening done to it - and deletes the center cap...

Spindles/uprights - big Howe ball joints - big race bearings - JRI's with custom valving and reservoirs - composite springs in the rear - Sway bars front and back... bigger brakes... geometry massaging... rod ends...

We're just doing most of this to piss Charley off... Well - that, and because it's fun.

Gregs Mustang
 

Greg,
your giving up all your secrets.. Charley is quietly
building his without you knowing

Have you put the Jerico in it yet?

Panteracer

His car is "fine"..... besides --- it's a REAL race car where mine is a clone... so If I had his - I wouldn't mess with it either.

It's ALWAYS had a Jerico.


Not giving up any secrets -- because the secrets aren't the parts themselves... although some are - but it's how they're set up!! That's the sauce right there!!!

LOL

Sounds like the recipe for a reliable vintage racer to me.

YUP! It's a little rehab mixed in with the "while we're here".... and as I've said in past posts in this thread -- try to make it a little better than it is... because after driving the Lotus.. you want that kind of braking and turn in etc. We won't get to where the Lotus starts but we can move the needle a bit.

Any reason why your running a 245 on a 9 1/2 inch rim? I would think that might be a little to much stretch of the sidewall. You could have easily put 275's on a 9 1/2 inch rim. Unless the fenders don't allow for that much tire.

The recommended wheel width for the tire size I'm running according to Hoosier is 8 to 9.5"



Section width on the tire is 9.9" AKA "skinny"

Got a note back from Borello today -- the motor had a standard oil pump... He'd already ordered a high volume pump to go with the pan I'm running. He also says he expects pressures to be 65 to 70 psi and that the dyno sheet shown is too low.

That was my feeling. The best engines I've owned had great oil pressure. To me, that was a huge oversight on a road race engine.

I didn't question it because I would have ASSumed the builder was capable of also seeing those numbers --- and a pump change after a dyno run - before the customer picks up the motor is pretty easily accomplished.... so I felt that there might be a reason for the lower number that was particular to his builds. Lots of engine builders have their own "quirks". This motor revs faster than an electric, so I thought perhaps his clearances might be looser - thereby lowering the pressure etc.

I would also "expect" that there would be bottom end issues with too low of a pressure vs the valve train issues I've suffered. But I'm not an engine expert even though I've built a few personally - they were all fairly simple street engines.

I know there are various strategies for controlling oil in motors that are expected to be run at high rpms (vs street motors) in an effort to keep all the oil from being pumped to the top of the motor i.e. high volume vs high pressure pumps etc. But again - I would EXPECT a race engine builder to know these things and adjust accordingly!

Come on, you have been in this circle jerk for how long? Responsibility belongs in one place, square on your lap. I found even the best needed some micro managing as we all have a custom set of circumstances. ''

I would say reduced oil pressure could effect how cool the valves stay.

F That! I'm blaming Charley then!

Not surprised...:lol:

Hey Greg,

Does your Mustang have a speedo? Do you know how fast you guys got going between turns 11 and 1 at Sonoma? I only ask because my awesome rectangular speedo is basically just a large frame for the gas gauge...

As for the oil pressure, I had to pop a new pump in my X302 crate motor after about 3500 miles, due to creepily noisy start-ups. I only used standard pressure, as I've only got five quart capacity, but it stays at about 10 pounds per thousand. The problem got solved, yo.

All this talk about who's got the bigger tire only inspires me to work up to the green group with my pissant 225 section widths...

As a final point, given the Twinkie-like looks of your Mustang (no offense), in combination with all of the drama that went into the recent disappearance (and subsequent resurgence) of the Twinkie, your car may require a nickname. Any takers?

Good question on the speedo - which I can't answer because if it does have one I don't ever look at it. Ditto the Lotus... I never have any idea how fast I'm going - or as Gaetano would suggest - how slow.

You have to be a real man to crush the competition when they're on steam rollers and you're on skinnies. Skinnies for the win!!

I have a new nickname for this car -- "expensive POS". Good thing I love it!

I like running Green group because the driver experience - thus quality - seems to be far higher than the Red group drivers. The Red group seems to be full of people that barely graduated Yellow - and now think they're fast... but forget to point by - or pinch you off because they don't look around... and some take terrible lines etc. Last year at Mini Nats - in the Red group - Two different sessions I came rolling out of the Carrousel only to find cars wadded up at the bottom... a Porsche and a brand spanking new GT500 that didn't even have plates yet! That is not a difficult turn IMHO..... and these cars were wadded up front and back - both totals. Whereas you rarely have an incident in Green and rarely have a spin... and you can drive with more confidence in the guys around you or in front of you.

I forgot that we're also doing a full floater as long as the rear end is out and being rebuilt with some different parts.

I went so fast I broke my speedo :lol:

Seriously speaking though Rusto......speeds into one I believe reach 130

You should look into a bigger oil pan. Be sure it has windage tray, scrapers, and trap doors. It is very easy to suck a lot of oil out of the pan coming into turn one and then you headed up hill and oil tends to flow away from the oil pump.

I would call it "Pace Car". Only because he seems to want to pull off the track when its race time. :mock:

It has a 3 quart accusump.

Too bad it's another poopie Camaro or I'd have a whole basket full of cast off parts... Guess I'll have to give 'em to Basher instead.


Basket or pallet?

Just got back from "watching" Rushforth and his friends auto-x in Bremerton...two more events for the year. I think I may have to just run it as is----this "watching" thing is getting old!

:hairpullout:
Dan