I run a dry sump 427 Windsor TT in my '67 Mustang and I don't really do anything special other than cranking it with the ignition off for 5-10 seconds if I haven't started it in a while. I run the oil through a liquid based cooler tapped into the hot water feed and it warms up pretty quick even with a trunk mounted tank (note that it still also cools the oil, when I disconnected it at the track one day the oil ran 15 degrees hotter).

If you have any pretensions of building something special and think you will be tracking it, for me at least, the biggest drag on a Windsor is if you want an aluminum block. That's an immediate 2.5k+ option over a quality Dart iron block and a 4k+ option over an OEM LS block.

I've actually contemplated swapping to an LS because I really desire a very streetable engine and by the time you put any kind of cam in a Windsor I just dont' think it will ever be as tame (or as OEM) as a 550hp LS based stroker.

Here is what I think you should do (and what I can't do because it won't fit my chassis) -

Aluminator 5.0 with factory computer, and the new Hellion twin turbo kit that was on MM &FF cover last week. Top mounted blowers are just heat pumps in any kind of track work.

Twin turbo coyote - 7k rpm, 400rwhp right from the get go before you tune it or boost it, modern OEM factory based tune and runability, show car impact under the hood, aluminum block.

$7k engine, $2k computer, $2k FEAD and ancillaries, $7k turbo system

500->700 to the wheels at the twist of a knob and would drive like a factory 2012 Mustang around town.

The only negative is dry sumping would be a big hurdle as no "kits" exist right now, but you could piece something together with the Avaid serpentine belt A/C mounted pump.

I think I agree with Preston, the LS is the best dollar for dollar racing/street engine that money can buy right now. That said, with the car getting BOS body and paint etc. you are probably right about the car needing better.

Look at my car at Optima, the design judges pretty much snubbed it, taking 31st in design with alot of less modified cars doing way better. I know the lack of interior hurt me, but I think it was the Chevy in a Ford that turned them off. Hell it would probably turn me off if I was a judge. You would probably be best to stay with some brand loyalty, it will help you in the end in my opinion.

I really like the direction you're going Matt.... This build is perfectly suited to the peanut AutoX at GoodGuys shows you're so fond of running.... AND even better in L.A. traffic. Glad you finally made the right decision!!:unibrow:






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Well said I couldn't agree more!

Yep, that's why I mentioned resale way back in the thread. For a brawler, it doesn't matter that much. In this instance, he doesn't have much choice.

Can I just put the whole thing under the hood? I might need some of your tools to pull of that swap.

Preston, I've seen some really impressive power figures coming out of twin turbo setups. I haven't ruled turbos out, but my lack of knowledge has kept me from actively pursuing that option. I know there are plenty of new oem cars running around with turbos, and I suppose have been for 30 years now, but I'm sort of clueless about them. I know the Mule has a pair, and I've ridden in Josh's twin turbo DC Camaro, but I've always wondered if they were simplistic and trouble free enough for me to run on a car without excessive amounts of tinkering and tuning.. Would I be able to run them and have a really linear power band for autocross so that I wouldn't have to downshift in short sections between corners?

Matt

Turbos, especially twins, on V8 engines do not have laggy power bands unless they are setup for huge power. If you keep the boost low as you would on an autox you should barely even notice a transition to on-boost especially with these modern turbos. I actually think setting up the piping is easier than managing a front drive belt system, and you can turn the power up and down electronically instead of being stuck with the current boost of the heat pump.
I run a local go kart track in m "big" car (its like lap after lap of autoxing) and the turbo power plant is completely controllable (in a manner of speaking).

That time frame won't work for us. We're ready to buy now.

Thanks for the help yesterday Matt.

I was looking to voting in your online poll late last night when I got home from the show. I think with your larger then life almost Renner persona your beginning to take on, you need to put your whole life up for POLL on Lat-g.

I really think Renner did not allow this site to control his life enough and hence his fall from super stardom. Your door gaps are better, your skin is darker and I bet you have more hair. Plus that Bif the surfer dude look he has is not working these days like it used to.

Just sayin