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GregWeld 09-01-2014 03:31 PM

Yeah - Watching sucks - unless you're direct support for someone...

Every time I think of Jason - I remember going to rescue his Buick from somewhere in the boonies - dragging it to my place and pulling the motor. Pretty cool to see an LS powered Buick! Anyway - he got the motor rebuilt and then he and I and Chris Holstrom reinstalled it. It's been good ever since. Good times.





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Originally Posted by DBasher (Post 568288)
Too bad it's another poopie Camaro or I'd have a whole basket full of cast off parts... Guess I'll have to give 'em to Basher instead.


Basket or pallet?

Just got back from "watching" Rushforth and his friends auto-x in Bremerton...two more events for the year. I think I may have to just run it as is----this "watching" thing is getting old!

:hairpullout:
Dan


glassman 09-01-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 568256)

I like running Green group because the driver experience - thus quality - seems to be far higher than the Red group drivers. The Red group seems to be full of people that barely graduated Yellow - and now think they're fast... but forget to point by - or pinch you off because they don't look around... and some take terrible lines etc. Last year at Mini Nats - in the Red group - Two different sessions I came rolling out of the Carrousel only to find cars wadded up at the bottom... a Porsche and a brand spanking new GT500 that didn't even have plates yet! That is not a difficult turn IMHO..... and these cars were wadded up front and back - both totals. Whereas you rarely have an incident in Green and rarely have a spin... and you can drive with more confidence in the guys around you or in front of you.

Dam good points!!

I'm gonna run Red group in October, cause i may still be that newb who does'nt do a wave by at the right time....last thing i want to do...

358Mustang 09-02-2014 08:21 PM

Anyone going to the Laguna event end of this month? Plan is to take my dads Shelby since my car is cut in half. And we can run the boom tubes because it is unlimited sound :confused18:

Track Junky 09-02-2014 09:01 PM

I registered but then bailed. I started building my detached garage and I'll be doing the foundation and framing. Spent labor day weekend digging footings. I'll be forming it this weekend and hopefully framing it the next.

Flash68 09-02-2014 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 358Mustang (Post 568517)
Anyone going to the Laguna event end of this month? Plan is to take my dads Shelby since my car is cut in half. And we can run the boom tubes because it is unlimited sound :confused18:

I might come down just to see/hear this. :rockin:

DBasher 09-03-2014 02:16 PM

What's the word?
 
Done yet?

As cool as the new rims are, they're going to change the entire look of the car!

:gitrdun:
Dan

It must not have liked everything else I had to say, none of it showed......Something about a Torino and silencing Ron Sutton on the build, cheese balls a certain orange Camaro and fancy beer....oh well, wasn't important. LOL

rustomatic 09-03-2014 03:38 PM

Thanks for the feedback, Greg. I know a couple of guys in the Red group, one of whom has chosen blue for Laguna... Don't get it...

If it's any consolation, my wife really likes Twinkies... There was also an interesting murder trial, which created the "Twinkie defense"...

You know Gaetano knows the speed...

Back to work, almost...

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 568256)
Good question on the speedo - which I can't answer because if it does have one I don't ever look at it. Ditto the Lotus... I never have any idea how fast I'm going - or as Gaetano would suggest - how slow.

You have to be a real man to crush the competition when they're on steam rollers and you're on skinnies. Skinnies for the win!!

I have a new nickname for this car -- "expensive POS". Good thing I love it!

I like running Green group because the driver experience - thus quality - seems to be far higher than the Red group drivers. The Red group seems to be full of people that barely graduated Yellow - and now think they're fast... but forget to point by - or pinch you off because they don't look around... and some take terrible lines etc. Last year at Mini Nats - in the Red group - Two different sessions I came rolling out of the Carrousel only to find cars wadded up at the bottom... a Porsche and a brand spanking new GT500 that didn't even have plates yet! That is not a difficult turn IMHO..... and these cars were wadded up front and back - both totals. Whereas you rarely have an incident in Green and rarely have a spin... and you can drive with more confidence in the guys around you or in front of you.


rustomatic 09-03-2014 03:39 PM

I'll be there, but I'm in the slow group with all of the GT500s and lesser Vipers and whatnot... I'll be the quiet one with the loud dents...

For sure back to work...

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Originally Posted by 358Mustang (Post 568517)
Anyone going to the Laguna event end of this month? Plan is to take my dads Shelby since my car is cut in half. And we can run the boom tubes because it is unlimited sound :confused18:


rustomatic 09-03-2014 03:43 PM

What kind of footage are you doing, Gaetano? My dream garage must fit a Peterbilt in at stack height (not roof). That's one high, maybe a couple across. My current garage can't fit the F250 in...

I'll now return to dreaming . . . I mean working.

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 568527)
I registered but then bailed. I started building my detached garage and I'll be doing the foundation and framing. Spent labor day weekend digging footings. I'll be forming it this weekend and hopefully framing it the next.


Track Junky 09-03-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rustomatic (Post 568609)
What kind of footage are you doing, Gaetano? My dream garage must fit a Peterbilt in at stack height (not roof). That's one high, maybe a couple across. My current garage can't fit the F250 in...

I'll now return to dreaming . . . I mean working.

No where near the footage I would like but I'm already using up quite a bit with the house on a 3rd acre lot. Shop will be 24' x 34'. Couldn't get the height I wanted either (Darn building dept.) but lucky enough for me they do make lifts for 10' ceilings.

I'll be taking next week off to get the foundation done and then I'll be framing for a few weekends after that. Everything else will get subbed out so hopefully it will be done the end of October. Stop by sometime on a weekend.

hifi875 09-04-2014 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 568630)
No where near the footage I would like but I'm already using up quite a bit with the house on a 3rd acre lot. Shop will be 24' x 34'. Couldn't get the height I wanted either (Darn building dept.) but lucky enough for me they do make lifts for 10' ceilings.

I'll be taking next week off to get the foundation done and then I'll be framing for a few weekends after that. Everything else will get subbed out so hopefully it will be done the end of October. Stop by sometime on a weekend.

My ceiling is 10ft. Lift no problem

Track Junky 09-04-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hifi875 (Post 568711)
My ceiling is 10ft. Lift no problem

Awesome!! Thanks for the confirmation. :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 09-04-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hifi875 (Post 568711)
My ceiling is 10ft. Lift no problem

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 568713)
Awesome!! Thanks for the confirmation. :thumbsup:

I'd like some more info on this? I measured more than 10'4" including me standing underneath it.

Oh wait, I got it GC has an extra 6" of clearance. :D

Track Junky 09-04-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 568714)
I'd like some more info on this? I measured more than 10'4" including me standing underneath it.

Oh wait, I got it GC has an extra 6" of clearance. :D

Well first off funny guy you know I'm going to cheat the height and get at least 10'6. If the inspector asks I'll be like "OOPS" :EmoteClueless:

Ron in SoCal 09-04-2014 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 568715)
Well first off funny guy you know I'm going to cheat the height and get at least 10'6. If the inspector asks I'll be like "OOPS" :EmoteClueless:

:lol: Gae :cheers:

GregWeld 09-04-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 568715)
Well first off funny guy you know I'm going to cheat the height and get at least 10'6. If the inspector asks I'll be like "OOPS" :EmoteClueless:




When was the last time you EVER saw an inspector with a tape measure?

Track Junky 09-04-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 568724)
When was the last time you EVER saw an inspector with a tape measure?

Today but that was me :D

I don't want to jinks anything so I'll keep my comments on building inspectors to myself until this thing is done.

Sieg 09-04-2014 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 568714)
Oh wait, I got it GC has an extra 6" of clearance. :D

That's referred to as 'headspace.' :D

GregWeld 09-05-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 568727)
That's referred to as 'headspace.' :D




And here I was always thinking that was the back seat.... But WTF do I know.

Rick D 09-06-2014 06:06 AM

Wow another GW thread off the rails who would of thought that could happen? :D :popcorn2:

Oh is the Mustang done yet??? :y0!:

GregWeld 09-06-2014 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 568879)
Wow another GW thread off the rails who would of thought that could happen? :D :popcorn2:

Oh is the Mustang done yet??? :y0!:



The plans have been consolidated into actions. But we still have a month before the 5 mile Nor Cal Shelby Thunderhill event. I had only signed up the Lotus to run because unlike "others" around here - when I say I'm going to an event - I go to the event! This last week I registered the Mustang as well - if that tells ya anything.

It should be a fun weekend - but I'll be busy setting up (actually Ron Sutton will be busy) the Mustang with all her shiny new parts... and learning the 5 mile track configuration.

On top of that - the AiM SmartyCam GP HD camera I'd bought for the Lotus... and all it's sundry parts - turned out to be defective... and had to be uninstalled and sent off to be fixed. So at the same event I'm going to attempt to get it working properly so the videos post up lap times - speedo - tach - G's - and where I am on the track, overlaid.

There! We're back on track (pun?) now.

Rick D 09-06-2014 06:43 AM

Morning Greg :hello: I love how your projects just keep right on "track" < see what I did there? :D

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 568880)
The plans have been consolidated into actions. But we still have a month before the 5 mile Nor Cal Shelby Thunderhill event. I had only signed up the Lotus to run because unlike "others" around here - when I say I'm going to an event - I go to the event! This last week I registered the Mustang as well - if that tells ya anything.

It should be a fun weekend - but I'll be busy setting up (actually Ron Sutton will be busy) the Mustang with all her shiny new parts... and learning the 5 mile track configuration.

On top of that - the AiM SmartyCam GP HD camera I'd bought for the Lotus... and all it's sundry parts - turned out to be defective... and had to be uninstalled and sent off to be fixed. So at the same event I'm going to attempt to get it working properly so the videos post up lap times - speedo - tach - G's - and where I am on the track, overlaid.

There! We're back on track (pun?) now.


GregWeld 09-06-2014 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 568882)
Morning Greg :hello: I love how your projects just keep right on "track" < see what I did there? :D



Nice work!


Not sure how this went from race car to a shed build... LOL But I derail lots of threads around here myself so don't really care. These threads are no different than hanging out in the shop blabbing. The conversations tend to get off line sometimes. No biggie.

But with your help we hit the apex... we're into the roll thru... and hopefully we're punching it towards the exit onto the straight! <covered everything there!>

The only hangups with the Mustang remodel would be parts not shipping... and I don't think we're running into any issues there so far. I didn't need custom pistons or anything like that in the motor rebuild. The new Carrillo rods weren't a problem (replacing the Olivers). 8 new Formula 43 wheels were spec'd and ordered. The 8 new Hoosier R7's have shipped. Sutton has the other stuff going... BMR Racing is re-routing the rear brake lines out of the driveline tunnel to a safer place - and also away from the heat of the exhaust... as long as we have things torn up. Ron has worked his magic on the geometry... and I would assume his good working relationships with most of the parts suppliers have us in good shape for getting stuff done.

I've discovered that having someone like Ron Sutton do this kind of stuff - managing and figuring things out... saves A TON of time! In the past - I'd have done this on my own. I'd first have to research and learn about what I "think" I'd want to do... then tear stuff apart... then figure out who supplied what.. and find out if they had what I need (they never do because I'd have come up with some BS thing that nobody makes)... and all of that takes a lot of time and energy... Sutton knows where he's taking the car and understands the market for what's needed and just gets it done! Couple that with he's done all the math up front - and then when we hit the track - he knows what's going on and can dial it in with the minimal feedback I can supply. BINGO.

Sieg 09-06-2014 08:04 AM

If Ron know's how to set up AiM Smarty Cams you've got it all covered. :D

Ron Sutton 09-06-2014 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 568883)
The only hangups with the Mustang remodel would be parts not shipping... and I don't think we're running into any issues there so far. I didn't need custom pistons or anything like that in the motor rebuild. The new Carrillo rods weren't a problem (replacing the Olivers). 8 new Formula 43 wheels were spec'd and ordered. The 8 new Hoosier R7's have shipped. Sutton has the other stuff going... BMR Racing is re-routing the rear brake lines out of the driveline tunnel to a safer place - and also away from the heat of the exhaust... as long as we have things torn up. Ron has worked his magic on the geometry... and I would assume his good working relationships with most of the parts suppliers have us in good shape for getting stuff done.

I've discovered that having someone like Ron Sutton do this kind of stuff - managing and figuring things out... saves A TON of time! In the past - I'd have done this on my own. I'd first have to research and learn about what I "think" I'd want to do... then tear stuff apart... then figure out who supplied what.. and find out if they had what I need (they never do because I'd have come up with some BS thing that nobody makes)... and all of that takes a lot of time and energy... Sutton knows where he's taking the car and understands the market for what's needed and just gets it done! Couple that with he's done all the math up front - and then when we hit the track - he knows what's going on and can dial it in with the minimal feedback I can supply. BINGO.

Yup. All on track to run the NorCal Shelby Event October 18-19.

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 568886)
If Ron know's how to set up AiM Smarty Cams you've got it all covered. :D


Nope. Not a clue.

:cheers:





GregWeld 09-25-2014 06:07 PM

Ron emailed pics of the new Formula 43 RAD 10 Clubsports and the new Hoosier (DADDY?) A7's mounted up... two complete sets ought to hold me for one weekend of chasing Charley!






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/IMG_3208.jpg

Flash68 09-25-2014 06:16 PM

A backup set of F43 wheels.... :lol: that's when you know you've "arrived"..

Nice wheel choice. Gwen must have handled that decision.

What sizes are they?

GregWeld 09-25-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 571359)
A backup set of F43 wheels.... :lol: that's when you know you've "arrived"..

Nice wheel choice. Gwen must have handled that decision.

What sizes are they?



I don't understand? Why wouldn't you have a back up set of wheels and tires - and why wouldn't they be the exact same or equivalent?? Takes me two days to get to a track event --- I'm not wasting 4 days going back and forth over not having a stinky set of backup tires and wheels.

Gwen just shrugs her shoulders.

They're Round....


They're 18" X 9.5's


Tires are the same old skinny 245 X 18 X 35ZR

Track Junky 09-26-2014 09:35 AM

18's huh.....Did you get a cup holder?

Flash68 09-26-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 571424)
18's huh.....Did you get a cup holder?

To clear those 15" carbon platinum titanium rotors he'll be upgrading to next.

Chassisworks 09-26-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 571432)
To clear those 15" carbon platinum titanium rotors he'll be upgrading to next.

You need 19s to clear 15" brakes. Unless you :superhack:

JKnight 09-26-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chassisworks (Post 571456)
You need 19s to clear 15" brakes. Unless you :superhack:

Where there's a Weld there's a way! LOL

GregWeld 09-28-2014 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chassisworks (Post 571456)
You need 19s to clear 15" brakes. Unless you :superhack:

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Originally Posted by JKnight (Post 571457)
Where there's a Weld there's a way! LOL



Hot rodding 102 --- "ya gotta cut to cure".


I'm thinking that Ron Sutton has done plenty of math on the brakes that are now installed and they're no doubt "more than adequate" --- particularly over the 12" two piston fronts and the single C4 caliper rears.....

Dave -- the 18" wheels are about reducing sidewall roll because I want to be able to lap Gaetano next time out - which means carrying a lot of speed into and thru the corners... and I was rolling those 45's over onto the sidewalls....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Track Junky 09-29-2014 07:06 AM

My math says your adding rotating mass and will over brake those 245's but hey, what do I know.

Looking forward to spanking you like a red headed step child. :lol:

GregWeld 09-29-2014 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 571804)
My math says your adding rotating mass and will over brake those 245's but hey, what do I know.

Looking forward to spanking you like a red headed step child. :lol:





With 4 tires that are twice as wide --- and more horsepower --- and 80 more cubic inches.... you SHOULD be able to.... Should being the critical word there. LOL

Track Junky 09-29-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 571806)
With 4 tires that are twice as wide --- and more horsepower --- and 80 more cubic inches.... you SHOULD be able to.... Should being the critical word there. LOL

All in good fun buddy. More cubic inches and you still pull me :headscratch:

I've got work to do for sure.

GregWeld 09-29-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 571826)
All in good fun buddy. More cubic inches and you still pull me :headscratch:

I've got work to do for sure.



We all do.... it's never ending with these kinds of cars. We're either improving (right...) or fixing... or waiting to do either of those things. UGH!

All fun though and I have to say I love it.

Panteracer 09-29-2014 08:55 PM

Welds track car
 
Track junky
I have been running 245'-18's on the front of my
Pantera for over 8 years now. Brakes are 12.2 wilwood 6 piston
Bush grand national stuff... Yes roundly round stuff
Never have locked or flat spotted any tires. I do have
315-18's out back. Car is mid engine and it took a while
To balance out but that is what it is about ..proportioning valve

He'll my old mustang (Chet's car now) had Baer 6 pistons
Up front and drums in the back. Car is very light but still
Stopped very well. 245-16's all the way around
That car was 2810lbs so that helps
Greg's should be lighter. Weight always wins in my book

Pantera is beefy at 3040 lbs

Panteracer

GregWeld 09-30-2014 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Panteracer (Post 571930)
Track junky
I have been running 245'-18's on the front of my
Pantera for over 8 years now. Brakes are 12.2 wilwood 6 piston
Bush grand national stuff... Yes roundly round stuff
Never have locked or flat spotted any tires. I do have
315-18's out back. Car is mid engine and it took a while
To balance out but that is what it is about ..proportioning valve

He'll my old mustang (Chet's car now) had Baer 6 pistons
Up front and drums in the back. Car is very light but still
Stopped very well. 245-16's all the way around
That car was 2810lbs so that helps
Greg's should be lighter. Weight always wins in my book

Pantera is beefy at 3040 lbs

Panteracer




There's more to it than just how many pistons etc.... we're going to a different compound pad which will be "nicer" to the rotors.... we wanted to be able to run the Spec 37 Rotor... and my old brake system wouldn't allow that combo.

Pads are cheap - rotors get spendy. I was having to replace them too often, without the corresponding brake performance. The Lotus has done as many if not more laps - at faster lap times - and I haven't touched the brakes other than to inspect them. That system is "correct" in my book. It's a TINY - make that MINUSCULE - brake system.

We also wanted to upgrade the bearings - and that alone made choices of other parts - and then toss in the "as long as we're doing it right - let's do it right!".


The Mustang is 3015#'s.... Not sure how you got Chet's down to 2800 something. But I know he's fast. One Sunday we chased a Turbo Porsche around for several laps at Sonoma. Chet was able to keep right on his tail. I was surprised - as I'm certain - so was the Porsche owner.

Panteracer 10-01-2014 02:00 PM

Welds Mustang
 
I understand that brake pads can make a huge difference
I was running almost street pads on the Pantera for many years
and last year moved to a more race type pad.. car stops even
better by a long shot...

65 GT350r cars... back in the day were 2650 lbs-race weight
I was going to pull the Windows in Chets car and they
say that was another 90lbs.. I see he took the rear bumper
and pulled it.. I put one on when I bought it... In thinking
the Dart block is a little heavier than the sportsman I destroyed

That car with a 455hp motor (now it is 530hp) would run
with the Porshes all day long.. it was very easy to drive
and a lot of fun...good to see him out there beating on it

Panteracer


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