OEM rules typically apply a multiple of front GAWR for suspension design. IIRC lower ball joint axial loads can hit around 30kN+. Given the lever arm I would say 40kN at the shock/spring. So probably around 9000lbs. This would be a severe event though but not sure what happens if you run out of shock travel.

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Thanks!
 

Thanks Josh ... thanks for all your help over the phone! I'll have to call and get another set of those coil over mounts (my first idea didn't work so good and I already clearanced them for the bolts). Can't wait to put these shocks to work!

This is what I had in mind ... rude drawing and not to scale!

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Any other ideas?

It's a cubic function for stiffness benefit in the cross car plane vs what you've sketched. Is their room just inboard of the frame rails? If not, you are probably fine as is.

Huh?
 

Huh?? You lost me there ... there is only a few inches inboard then the headers come into play.

Something like this? Like a roll cage brace, gusset? Cross plane, using 1/4" plate ... work too?
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Thanks ....

due to the load direction I'd go this route, if you have the room.

Only time I have seen a mount fail was a shock failure and shock was too short.

All of options seem like they would work but would just be putting a bandaid on it. It would be a lot more work to cut the entire square tube back out and fix it the right way but it would be cleaner and you wouldn't have to think about it or question the repair later.

I'm with Vince. It's probably what I am going to do to mine.

JJ ... I like Vince's idea as well, HOWEVER, as my first mount added 3/16" towards the outside and increase the angle of the dangle of the shock it also reduces the clearance to the spring. That's why I decided to take it off the get the shock bolt closer to the mount (decrease the angle) ... I wished the RT mount had a 1" offset bolt hole instead of 1 1/2".

I have another idea to brace the mount from the engine side ...

Honestly if it were my car I'd cut the whole section out and go the DSE style mount. Superior to the existing.

My other option
 

for the shock brace is ... 1" x 1/8" square stock cut to match the inside of the shock tower (?) I rough cut this one out ... need to refine it a little.

Also cut up the headers ... took 1 1/4" outa the vertical sections of the tubes and now the headers are above the frame rails! Need to cut the tubes at the collector to 'clock' each individual tube to match the upper tubes and then sleeve the 4 tubes and install the collector .... never done this before so I guess its going ok!

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Side view of brace ... needs to be a little taller!
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Clears the headers too!
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Square stock rough cut 1/8" thick .... should do just fine!
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Cutting headers to gain clearance, yahoo!

That's what I came up with from adding structural integrity to the mount. Vince ... cutting all this out is not an option, I don't have the know how to weld something completely new in its place.

Thanks for looking ....

I'm still curious about what your going to do for the steering linkage going to the rack and pinion. It looks like it's going to run into the upper control arm mount.

It looks like your solution will work for the upper mount. Looking good!

Are you using a kit to fab up your headers or cutting up existing headers you already have?

The original steering column is in the car for mock up only ... the actual one will be quite shorter, actually terminating w the splines just on the engine side of the firewall. That way the shorter the column the more room I have for a D-D joint and it reduces the angle going to the rack.

I just ordered some 1 5/8" header build kit and will cut and weld those into the existing tubes, I'll need some clearance on #7 for the steering linkage anyway ... couldn't find 14 ga tubing thou, seems everyone uses 16 ga except AME :waveflag:

Thanks ....

Their headers are actually built for them by STANS HEADERS... Stan is an old grump of a man - but a good guy if he likes you. They build a nice set of headers.

http://www.stans-headers.com




A quick little story about that. I was cutting up a tube or two on a set to gain some clearance in a set of headers on my Nomad. It had aftermarket steering column and a Jim Meyer Racing chassis. So after I got them where I wanted them, I carried the driver side down to Stan's shop. He grouses at me for a minute about me cutting sh!t up.... and then says "what's your problem?"... and disappears... he comes back holding a "mock up" set that's all tacked together. Looked like Frankenstein headers. Shoves 'em at me and tells me to go home and try 'em (I've been doing business with Stan for 20 years). They're the mock up set for Art's Corvette with his new Corvette chassis. They fit perfectly for my application. So Stan built me a set. My point is -- the man looked at a pile of spaghetti - and goes and picks out a set that did exactly what I needed them to do.

Greg ... that's good story! I actually talked with Stan over the phone concerning his headers, I really wanted Tri-Y headers and knew he made these for AME ...anyway, he couldn't guarantee they would fit my application. He lists the TRI FIVE headers for the AME but not the Camaro, he said he didn't have a template to work off of.

I guess he didn't like me :lol:

Update 7/11
 

Been busy with school .... but took today to fit some tires!! I rented the wheel fit tool and got busy measuring for rims ... had to dismantle the passenger side to articulate the suspension and that took longer than the actual fitment.

Anyway ... here is some porn of a 67 Camaro with 315's on corners, gonna flare the front fender a little, maybe an 1 1/4" ... no problem w the rear.

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Oh yeah, I finished cutting out the braces for the shock mount final version. Not much else really ... school is taking up most of the time lately. Supposed to go pick up my AMD hood, radiator support, front and back glass real soon ... that's the last of them!

Thanks for looking ...

Looking good man!

Thanks ... I am stoked about getting 315's under the front.

Well, hopefully I've compensated my AMD dealer for the last time, picked up my SS hood, radiator support and glass for the front and back.

I went to the Dodge dealer's car show today and saw some nice Mopars, Chargers and Cudas everywhere, one Super Bird, a couple AMX Javelins, Dart Swinger, a Sport Fury w Max Wedge long runner intake 426, and one Rebel? LOL.

Anyhow, the GTX and the Charger are my AMD dealer's (past projects), he's working on a Scamp that is really coming out great! Really nice cars I though I'd share some pixs.

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Parts are staged for the last trash of the summer .... school is over on Aug 11th and I'll be busting butt to get most of the parts on and in epoxy while the weather is nice. That's the plan anyway ....:ohsnap:

Thanks for looking...

Got SS Hood
 

on and adjusted so-so! Overall it looks to be a good stamping. Seems to fit ok, and the hood follows the lines of the fenders down ....whew.

The AMD radiator support looks overall ok, there is a nutsert for the latch support that is installed crooked. Probably cut out the OEM piece and replace the nutsert ... that seems to be the case w AMD!

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That's all for now, have two more weeks til this semester is over and then it's ALL Camaro ... fix the headers, finish the roof, disc off all the EDP, weld up all those dang holes and shoot some epoxy on the hood, radiator support and roof.

Maybe even get some lizard skin sprayed on the roof and quarter panels and SPI primer on the roll cage and interior panels and get the roof installed .... that's a lot!

I have so much work left before the cold sets in that I need 32hr in a day or :G-Dub: I'll just keep plugging away at one thing at a time .....

Thanks for looking ... may see some people at OPTIMA Pike's Peak?

Nice seeing a SS hood for a change.

In the North - we called them Ice Cube Trays

I only see pic #1 in post 975? Then the rest show an imageshack placeholder.

I like the use of an SS hood also Chief.:thumbsup:

Yea that's what I thought too! Thanks

I've also heard that before ... no water will sit in these and freeze!

I don't know what to say, I can see all of them, I'd change something but I'm not that smart! Hey thanks!

coming along nicely! I also run 315's up front, I didn't have to flare the fenders, the neg camber I run tucks them in nicely. I think I'm at -2.8

x2. It's a good looking hood that doesn't get utilized as often as I think it should. The 65 BB vette hood is the same way to me. Good choice, Chief. Keep up the good work!

Camaro Time!
 

That's good to know ... I think -2.8 is a little aggressive for the street thou!


:thankyou: Just got done working on it today!

Homework done and a little Camaro time today, stripped the EDP and got two coats of etching primer ... had to wait til 2030 cuz the temps were too high, go figure ... it's August!

Anyway, hood and radiator support is done, I can take them off my to-do list!

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This SS hood is really growing on me, gonna order the 67 SS vents instead of the 69's ice cube style, that'll make the hood pop!!

Thanks for looking ... guess no one is coming out to Pike's Peak IR for OPTIMA series, gonna be bummed watching imports, ZO6 vettes and Gen 5 Camaros!

Car is coming along great! That's funny I have a 67 original hood and I always liked the 68 Ice Cube Tray inserts better than the finned 67 inserts. I guess the grass is always greener somewhere else. I am hoping to keep my SS hood as well.

Knew if I checked this thread there would be progress. You never disappoint.

:thankyou:

Thanks!
 

I am sticking with the finned inserts ... something different!

You are welcome ... I am getting there :headscratch: MAYBE?

Brought home my newest part from a 03 Saturn Vue, need to make up a bracket and order the wiring adapter and figure out what I need to make it to the rack and pinion.

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Heading out in the am to Pike's Peak IR to watch the OPTIMA race event, I'll share pics when I get back Sunday.

Thanks for looking ...

Just Curious why you picked that steering column? Electric assist? Have fun watching the Optima events, I just ran Charlotte two weeks ago and had a blast! Being around all those cars will either make you speed up your progress, or change directions on different parts of your build! Don't say I didn't tell you so!

I like the hood choice too with the 67 inserts.

C, nice hood had one, all 3 hoods are my favorite, traded my SS hood for my cowl hood, sold it, was really rusted, bought my current cowl hood GM, for a song, when I get back to working on my car I'm going to look for a flat one, maybe I'll just buy the flat in carbon fiber, that would be cool, nice work on the car,

Pike's Peak Pics
 

Here is some teaser pics from today .... they run the big track tomorrow!

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I got a lot more pics ... wish you were here! lol

Very nice idea for the electric assist column.
Less stock under the hood, I will follow this for sure and probably copy you.
I prefer to repair clean wires over messy fluid, I hate playing with hydrolic and I want a easy removable engine and this is a must in my eyes.

Louis

What a weekend!
 

:thankyou: I also like simple things, if EPS is good enough for GM to put in production cars .... it's good enough for me!


Just got back from OPTIMA PPIR man what an event!!! I was not disappointed ... OLOA Camaro, couple c'velles, Dusold team, Jake Rozelle and family, and the Showtime team. Mr. Efrain Diaz was gracious enough to let me ride in his 69 during the road rally .... thank you Efrain, that made my whole weekend! Tom and Aaron brought the Chevelles down to beat on, Mr. Farrington can drive, wow! The last two sessions were canceled due to lighting strikes too close to the track!!!

So lots of sun, the smell of 100 octane and burning rubber ... what's not to like? Got to sit in the OLOA Camaro and see most of the cars I only see in magazines up close and personal. I got to talk with car guys, very nice car guys and I took some pics .... nothing fancy, just memories for me!

Anyway, here's some pictures, I'll post the rest on my Imageshack album!


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:thankyou: to all the guys for talking to me, made some memories and some friends ... Thanks for the ride Efrain!

See you next year!

Couple more pics!
 

My nephew and his girlfriend came down to PPIR on Sat and took some pics of me and Mr. Diaz during the road rally. Though I'd share the sh$t eating grin on my face! :) :)

Oh yeah, that's a good looking car too! :thumbsup:

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Glad you enjoyed it! Anyone that hasn't taken in one of these as a spectator -- or better yet - as a competitor doesn't know what they're missing. It's more than just the cars - it's all the folks you get to meet etc.

Greg you said it ... its the folks you met that make the memories! Talked with Jake about his car (he doesn't like the wrap cuz it's hard to clean), Tom Farrington and Aaron Oberle are fierce competitors but will shoot the breeze with you, Efrain Diaz let me ride shotgun during the road rally, and I got to talk with the folks at the OLOA Camaro garage and sat in THE CAR!

This weekend made my whole year, not like I was counting down the hours or anything. lol I won't miss another PPIR OPTIMA!

The results are posted, Jake took the win in GTV class, congrats to Mr Shipka getting the OUSCI invite, Tom and Aaron finished right behind the OLOA, and Efrain took a 3rd in the AutoX and the Design judging and tied w Aaron overall .... well done folks!

Michael

If it was anything like Charlotte I'm sure it was a blast! Hurry up and get your car done so you can play too! I wish I had the money to travel to more than one event a year with those guys, it was a great weekend for me.

Yeah, Ef and the gang are ok...:D

Glad you had fun Chief!

:cheers:

It was a blast! I am working on the Camaro :headspin:


Ron ... just riding in Efrain's car gets your blood pumping, now I just have to return the favor :whenitsdone:


Been searching the salvage yards for a column that was originally a floor shift car ... found a 68 Chevy convertible that donated it's column! Working on the logistics of the EPS and waiting for the controller box, found that the brake booster brace will have to be modified to fit the EPS under the dash and not interfere w brake actions.

Got the final location for the drivers header and tacked some angle to keep it's shape ... now time to work out the angles and dangles to make one header outa two pieces, wish me luck :superhack:

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It's doable!
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Couple angle changes and some heat!!!!
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My donated column ... yeah!

Well that's all for now, should be cutting and modifying the headers tomorrow and hopefully I'll get this side done this weekend ... then the other side!!!

Thanks for looking ...

Soooooooooo my column wasn't good enough for ya!!!! :poke:
Kevin