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Spiffav8 01-06-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 456073)
Nice Try:willy: :willy: :rofl: I didn't say I was going outside....I did not say i would shoot them if they turn and run...But tough guy ? Damn right...If I wake up and they are in MY house, and they walk into MY bedroon upstairs or where my family is ? They die in the house...I feared for my life and they tried to get the weapon....Plain and simple, closed case..

The panic button summons Police and Fire...I will be comforting my family, not rendering aid to the criminal...

On the 911 tape, I will explain what happened after the threat is stopped and your scenario has flaws...If a second intruder grabs the gun and turns and runs, I cannot shoot him...Then I get sued...I have never been in trouble in my Life and my record is clean, and I did not want to kill anyone...They decided to try to hurt me in MY HOME...

The CSI and trajectory of the bullets tell the story...If I shoot them coming towards me, game over, i am innocent...If I stand over them to finish them ? I am a murderer...

Hang on while I grab this bucket of gasoline.....

My response was to your statement of "two to the chest and one to the head with a large caliber weapon". I am not quoting any law. What I am saying is that shooting someone in self defense is, in a way, a mental game in addition to practiced muscle memory. It is important to protect your self and your family for what comes after such an act. You successfully defended the safety of you and your family (regardless of where the act happened) which is great! Now you need to be concerned with what comes after. What would a reasonable person who doesn't want to kill someone do? That's how our legal system looks at it and sadly it isn't always aligned with what you and I think is reasonable. What I'm saying is that IF you do all you can to show you didn't want to kill another human (show being the key word) it would go a long way in the defense of any legal actions brought against you. When I go through the mental game in my head, I always think "how will my actions be perceived by others". What if you shot a man who broke into your home with the intent of doing harm to you and your family and that story made the news? I for one want the media (if they would report it) to be showing that I shot the intruder and then did all I could to save his life. What I don't want is the media or any liberal to twist the story and say that I wanted that person dead. Two to the chest and one to the head would/could be seen as execution by many. My goal is to give no one, anything that could be used against me. My tax dollars already support enough dirt bags and the last thing I want is to be paying one of their family members after they sue me.

Now...does this mean that I have a problem leaving a bad guy gurgling in a pool of their own blood? Nope. I honestly have a low tolerance for B.S. and criminals. But protecting what I have, well beyond the shooting of another human is just another level of protection for my family.

Sitting back in your recliner, feet up, sipping on your favorite beverage and watching the clean up crew remove the body or trusting that some T.V. like CSI team is going to come in and prove you where justified isn't smart. Make it easy for them, while making it easy for you. What do you think is better, explaining to the 911 dispatcher (my wife) what happened after or having the entire event recorded via the police departments 911 line? Yeah there might not be enough time to get them on the phone, but if you could, even if the phone is just sitting next to you as you defend your self, it would be a huge plus!

I will say that there is no way to be 100% in every situation. There are to many variables. But being prepared mentally and protecting against what comes after is just as important.

You're not wrong, but your not right either. You can do more to protect your family that just working on your trigger control.

Spiffav8 01-06-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 456081)
Also to add to my post, I have signs telling people that I have an alarm..I am not trying to bait someone to rob me, I am actually trying to get them to stay out...

California laws...First you get sued if you did not have a beware of dog sign...

Then you get sued because you had a sign and put one up because you knew your dog was dangerous :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy:

Also I do pray that nothing like that will ever happen...I wouldn't mind going the rest of my Life without confronting an Intruder..

The dog sign thing is crazy and just shows how the law can be twisted and used against you. Seriously that's just stupid.

The alarm signs are great. I see that as you warning an intruder that you are protecting your home. To me that's a first line of defense kind of thing and smart. If someone made it past all of your layers of defense and you where forced to shoot them, that could be a huge plus in defending your self in court or against any legal actions.

Spiffav8 01-07-2013 12:03 AM

For anyone that thinks I am crazy, take a moment and read this:

http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/...%20Booklet.pdf

What this guy went through is nuts. It's also proof that things can and will be bad if you are ever forced to defend your self or family against an attack.

Bucketlist2012 01-07-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 456289)
For anyone that thinks I am crazy, take a moment and read this:

http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/...%20Booklet.pdf

What this guy went through is nuts. It's also proof that things can and will be bad if you are ever forced to defend your self or family against an attack.

Being outside with a weapon is a huge responsibilty.. And I don't make light of an intruder entering my home....Plain and simple, if they are in my Home, I fear for my life...If I can use the phone after getting my weapon, I would.If I can hit the alarm button first, I would..If it all happens too fast and they are in my room sooner than I can call 911, I am in fear for my life..I won't go looking for them, or run after them...My initial statement is only meant if they are coming at me..I truly would feel that it is them or me...No anger, or hate but fear...If they get to my weapon, I am dead, and my family is too...

So no Rambo here, sorry you took it that way...They would have to be coming at me for me to use dealy force, and it would have to be inside my Home...

Spiffav8 01-07-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 456320)
Being outside with a weapon is a huge responsibilty.. And I don't make light of an intruder entering my home....Plain and simple, if they are in my Home, I fear for my life...If I can use the phone after getting my weapon, I would.If I can hit the alarm button first, I would..If it all happens too fast and they are in my room sooner than I can call 911, I am in fear for my life..I won't go looking for them, or run after them...My initial statement is only meant if they are coming at me..I truly would feel that it is them or me...No anger, or hate but fear...If they get to my weapon, I am dead, and my family is too...

So no Rambo here, sorry you took it that way...They would have to be coming at me for me to use dealy force, and it would have to be inside my Home...

:lol: Rambo. No I didn't take it as that. I actually care about good people like you and your family. I want you all to be happy, healthy, wealthy and wise. Just giving you a little food for thought so you can be better prepared for what I hope you will never be faced with.

:cheers:

Bucketlist2012 01-07-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 456392)
:lol: Rambo. No I didn't take it as that. I actually care about good people like you and your family. I want you all to be happy, healthy, wealthy and wise. Just giving you a little food for thought so you can be better prepared for what I hope you will never be faced with.

:cheers:

Thanks Brother...You too...:cheers: :lateral:

Shmoov69 01-07-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 456090)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Too funny.....Or Ebonics....

Oh stewardess, I speak jive....

http://youtu.be/190iqepL-G4

Vince@Meanstreets 01-07-2013 11:51 PM

This picture represents the only way you would get the jump on a home invader.
http://s2.filmwatch.com/media/13/blo...6596_1_org.jpg

Criminals will always have the upper hand cause they plan for it. They are equip for it and they expect it.

I don't care who you are and what you are carrying. Unless you train for it everyday or live in Syria, you will most likely fail at being a hero. You will more likely be a martyr for the religion of vigilanties. If you are a law abiding citizen carrying a gun to protect yourself you are not immune to the unknown and surprise. Criminals find a way and will always continue to do so. They do not think like we do, and we don't think like them.

Spiffav8 01-08-2013 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 456536)
This picture represents the only way you would get the jump on a home invader.
http://s2.filmwatch.com/media/13/blo...6596_1_org.jpg

Criminals will always have the upper hand cause they plan for it. They are equip for it and they expect it.

I don't care who you are and what you are carrying. Unless you train for it everyday or live in Syria, you will most likely fail at being a hero. You will more likely be a martyr for the religion of vigilanties. If you are a law abiding citizen carrying a gun to protect yourself you are not immune to the unknown and surprise. Criminals find a way and will always continue to do so. They do not think like we do, and we don't think like them.

Well said.

Vince@Meanstreets 01-08-2013 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 455741)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/m...unshots/nTnGR/

The Loganville mother of two assumed the knocks on her front door Friday afternoon were from a solicitor.

“Don’t answer,” she yelled to her 9-year-old twins playing downstairs.

When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work.

“Get the kids and hide,” he told his wife.

As he dialed 911, his 37-year-old spouse, who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman’s narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.

The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater was still conscious.

“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.

Slater, unaware that she had emptied her chamber, obliged as the mother and her children ran to a neighbor’s house.

The injured burglar eventually made it out of the home and into his car, driving away before deputies arrived on the scene. He didn’t get far.

“When you got five bullets in you, it makes you kind of disoriented,” Chapman told the AJC.

Deputies found Slater bleeding profusely in a neighbor’s driveway.

“I’m dying. Help me,” he told them, according to Chapman.

Slater was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center and is expected to survive, the sheriff said.

The Long Island native, who now lives in Gwinnett County, was released from the Gwinnett jail in late August after serving six months for simple battery and three counts of probation violation. Slater has six other arrests in Gwinnett dating back to 2008, according to jail records.

“My wife’s a hero,” the woman’s husband, Donnie Herman, told Channel 2 Action News in a brief statement. He did not respond to a request for comment from the AJC. “She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do.”

Chapman remarked that one of his deputies, impressed with the woman’s resolve, told the sheriff she had handled her first shooting better than he had.

“That mother’s instinct kicked in,” Chapman said. “You go after a mother’s kids and she’ll find herself capable of doing things she never thought she was capable of.”

rare case but she did the right thing...hide and prepare. Just the few seconds she had evading gave her a fighting chance to prepare. No one can predict how one wold react in a situation.
An interesting study done by a Bethlehem ERT and ABC. This is how 87% of normal humans would react in a crisis situation.




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