That is an interesting video. All the bio-feedback stuff is very true. The muscle memory, training, being mentally prepared, all spot on. Our military has been using that system since there was a military.

I do take issue with their "scenario". The really long T-shirt and making sure they had those big clunky gloves on. Using nervous college kids who were on edge before it even started. The "assailant" shoots the teacher and then immeadiately moves to the "secret" carry person. That is all orchestrated to give a specific result... in my opinion. I am not military or law enforcement. I have no training in combat shooting... it just seemed obvious.


Jeff-

Jeff-You are 100% correct in your observations. This video was proven to be a setup.

I was thinking the same thing. Class full of students and he goes directly to the armed guy. I'd rather have a chance at defending myself than to hope if I'm in that situation that I can get away or be spared.

That's the best video I've seen -- and is IMHO 100% accurate.... I have been in police training scenarios - I go to the Seattle Police range weekly - I have police friends... and I can tell you that even when you know something is going to happen -- you're reaction times SUCK! And your accuracy SUCKS...
But I also agree that the shooter targeted the unsuspecting CC holder and the odds are that wouldn't happen... so it's a bit of a set up.

I don't think any of us has much of a chance in this "set up" style scenario...

BUT --- I have carry permits for when I'm on the road... I'm on the side of the road at night - or perhaps broken down etc... THEN I have a chance at protecting myself.

I don't have ANY guns not locked up at home. EVER. The odds of my home being broken into while I'm there -- by a gun toting robber... is just about zilch. I'll take my odds in that scenario. We have panic silent call remotes by our bed. Hopefully I hear something and have enough time to react to even doing that. I have adult children that come and go - are away from home - but are always free to come in. No way would I want to wake up and accidentally shoot one of them or one of their friends. I'd rather it "be me" than to take that chance.

That's just my opinion. I'm just not the paranoid type I guess. And I certainly do care about safety and I like my guns... so I'm not anti gun or anti defense.

Thats funny Greg, useing the SPD and firearms training in the same sentence...ahh, you crack me up! :rofl:

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Dan

I think you guys are missing point.

It's the surprise and planning advantage that the bad guys have over you. Look past the clothing, stage and arena. Look at the amount of time they have to react. These where people with loaded weapons on them and they could not react in time. The ones that did missed or would have shot an innocent.

Do you seriously think you are going to have a chance if someone kicks door the front door and you are sitting down for dinner or in bed asleep. Maybe you have your back turned and your loading groceries into your SUV. If you are truly a law abiding citizen your firearm is in the safe locked up and ammo out of chamber.

My point and message is you do not have an advantage what so ever and don't leave yourself open as a victim. Be aware and listen to that voice in your head telling you something's off with the group of teenagers walking down the street towards you, that car that keeps driving past the house or the strange peps that come to your door asking for donations.

Do not assume you can be a hero. Protect yourself and haulass to safety. Who do you think the first target is going to be? The guy fighting back or the guy standing up to shoot back.

Dan -- It's BELLEVUE police department that's messed up! But I do get your point... :lol:

It's just that one of my best friends is the Head of Seattle Security - secures all of Seattle's buildings and security services - department is separate from SPD (not a rent a cop) - and my other buddy Myrle Carner... are both SPD. So I have to be careful of being critical - lest they draw down on me!

That's called "The Nike Defense"....


I agree with you on some points and totally disagree on other points.


If you were a CC guy and wearing - and you're at the mall and a shooting breaks out... I'd prefer to "have a fighting chance" of stopping the guy.

If I'm on the side of the road - and have my Kimber locked and loaded - and I go to bed "EXPECTING" someone to try to mess with my stuff or bust in... I have a fighting chance. And I feel infinitely better.

So I think most of us are torn between trying to do something if it ever came to that - rather than just being a helpless victim.

In the case where you're sitting at the movie and some azzwipe comes in blasting... agree -- not good odds, but you never know!

Walking down the street -- after having dinner downtown -- the odd group of young men acts rowdy and suspicious and disruptive.... having a CC on my hip would make me feel INFINITELY better ---- and if they passed you and then turned on you (you'd have already had that peak awareness going) just "showing" you're armed would probably be enough to persuade them to hassle someone else. Either way - I'd still FEEL better. The key here is awareness and avoidance (crossing the street -- trying to keep your distance -- ducking into an open business until they pass). I'd still have my strap off and my hand on the grip. :unibrow:

Sound asleep - some cat burglar is already in the house... and you suddenly awake... if he has bad intentions -- you're probably already dead or injured... BUT if he's just a burglar and you yell out "I have a gun... get the f out of my house" and slide one in the chamber... my guess is HE does the Nike defense....

When you talk to cops -- some go 30 years without ever having drawn on anyone -- and they're put in a bad position every day! So the odds of "us" ever having an armed confrontation are next to zero. I've managed to go almost 60 years without having one! :D If I lived somewhere other than where I do -- I might even have the Kimber in the bedroom but I've just never felt the need. I live in "Pleasantville"... the bad guys are on the other side of the lake -- or way south of me.

There was a shooting the other night at a night club here -- long story -- by a known murderer... and you know what happened? They closed the place and announced they wouldn't reopen. :woot:

Nothing good happens after midnight....

I agree, I'd love to have a fighting chance too but as they say in CC class. "Having a gun out when the police decide to show up. I'd rather be still concealed than be mistaken as a possible suspect".

I was more using a non CCW holder example since most states are "may issue".

I'm one of those guys that think a CC doesn't give you ANYTHING except the right to carry concealed...

If you're going to carry --- or even USE firearms of ANY kind... then you need to invest in various classes. Not just target practice! It's like owning a high hp car... if you own something like that -- you should be equally engaged in LEARNING how to drive! To me - they go hand in hand.

There are so many GREAT classes a guy/gal can take! Including knife defense classes -- and tactical classes etc. There's a fabulous training group right in good old Pahrump! We should get a group together before or after SEMA / OUSCI and take one! My law enforcement buddies say this is one of the very best!

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