Get it going Greg I got $40 !

That is a great savings and should be quite noticable! Thanks for posting the numbers Todd!

I agree.....right after the dry sump!! :lol:

Dry sump is out Tony. Greg and my buddy Wayne's $140 bucks won't even pay for the shipping. :lol: If I was back in the fabrication stage and didn't have a fist full of accesories and no place to mount that monster oil tank it might be a different story. I've already breached my passenger inner fender for the accumulator. I don't mind making changes, but not at the cost of leaving a trail of after thoughts...... At the end of the day, a good pan, windage tray, and scraper will treat me right. It's not like I plan to run the 24 hours of Lemans here.

I totally understand! At this point I'm not willing to make changes either....somtimes it's just not worth it!

Oil Pan
 

I'd be quite interested in knowing what you decide on. Stefs will make a custom fabricated pan for a BBC but other than that I have not seen any off the shelf pans for BBC for anything other than drag race applications. My 540 has a milodon kick out pan on it now, but I'd like something better.

Will the old Corvette trap door pan fit with the DSE frame?

So the dry sump idea is already dead.

Here is some useless reading then http://www.drysump.com/drysump.htm

There is just no easy way for me to package it at this point. It has to be belt driven and I'm not just going to mount the big honkin tank on the firewall either. That can O worms just doesn't appeal to me right now. Unless I'm missing something....

All you need is a road race pan to control oil creep and slosh - so you don't run dry...

I agree with you - you add one thing and it's a can of worms that doesn't stop...

I was kidding. I would actually NOT like to see an LSx in Todds car. This new motor is going to be pretty cool and I doubt there will ever be a situation where another car pulls up and pops the hood and they have matching motors. Not too many of those ZL-1s running around on the street.:cheers:

Todd
 

I like your motor choice. My buddy Conrade has the ZL-1 motor in his 69. His made 605 hp at the crank.

There is no doubt that you will feel the difference up front.

Nope you've got it nailed... yes belt driven, yes need a tank (does not have to be huge or on the firewall) I was actually close to going dry sump on my car, decided not to. I think they are a 'cool-techy' and make so much sense for the track . So I was just hoping I could live my dry sump fantasies through you..... (ouch- that sounds bad)
For sure it would open a can of worms on other things, but that was half the fun of seeing if I could get you to bite!

glad the dry sump idea has been killed. It would only be suited to the most hardcore of road racing prepped BBCs... You already have an accusump as insurance. You have to be doing some pretty impressive driving to NEED a dry sump.

Skip barber in 2010 Todd? I'm planning on it...

Definitely still on the agenda. The ladies at Spring Mountain still harass me on a regular basis. It's a 3 day in Corvettes over here, so that may be something to consider. I just need to figure out when and where. I was meaning to talk to you about your new milodon pan. What do you think of the quality?

Good link Mark. Efi, stefs doesn't have anything specific for a 69 Camaro road racer. They sent me a couple sketches. Jake recommended Canton but my engine builder has had horrible luck with them. Right now I plan to run the same Milodon as Rogue.

Billet Fabrication makes nice pans also...
http://www.billetfab.com/GMpans_order.htm

Just a thought Todd, can Speedtech put one together for you? I don't remember what sub you are running but they have a BBC in the 69 they run. ??

Just watched a video about the GM plant and the building of the ZO6 in particular... they clearly state that they went to a dry sump for TWO reasons:

1) They can pull over a G in steady cornering... and in the video, demonstrated the movement of liquid and how it climbs walls.

2) They had "no room" for a DEEP sump pan with the low ground clearance.

So my take away from that is - that had they been able to do a "proper" pan - then they may have chosen to go with a wet sump.

BBC Oil Pan
 

I had Dan Olsen build a BBC road race pan for me -- very nice piece with a passenger side kickout, scraper, and doors/baffles. My motor is well behind the front crossmember, so the pan is pretty "square" in front and would probably not work well with any crossmember or steering linkage interference. As it turns out, I never installed the pan as I went to a dry sump, and yes, rebuilding the firewall to get a three gallon dry sump tank in place was quite a hassle. Fortunately, fiber glass is easier to move than 16 gauge. Picture at following link.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/atta...7&d=1251164776

Killer work man. I'm learning fast!

Thanks. I have no idea what they fit though.

They sure hold a lot of oil.

That aviaid pan is a beast!

The cruicial dimensions are the 15" width 9" depth and 12" length of the sump, probably would fit in my car, but I'd have to remove the passender side header to get to the starter.

The C6 oil pan has internal baffles that eliminated the need for the batwing pan of the C5. Maybe one could start with an aluminum (for ease of fabrication) drag race pan then add baffling similar to the C6?

Just been reading through the last ten pages or so and nice project engine!!!
Have you selected a cam and cylinder head package for your motor yet? I sure hope you dyno it and put a vid. on your build thread after it's assembled.

Paul
:thumbsup:

Holy crap, I go dormant for a while on this thread and get to come back to this find! Sweet, Sweet, Sweet Todd, great find and a perfect combo for the cars potential your looking for.

I did get a small update on my engine today. My valve guides are shot after 3500 miles. :rolleyes: Over .010 clearance on the intakes. Jason is thinking bad geometry or assembled dry. Neither would surprise me. So now I need guides and that means a valve job. Might as well port the heads now to. :morepower All the bottom end parts have been picked by Jason at Pettis Performance. He's used all of the parts and tested them in previous engines.

Callies Compstar Crank, Manley H Beams with 2000 ARP bolts, ATI SFI Balancer, Existing SRP Forged Pistons, McLeod SFI 30lb Billet Steel Flywheel.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...69/Lrg-BBC.jpg
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Sorry to hear about the heads. Maybe getting into the motor now was the best thing.

Nice list of parts there! :thumbsup: Any ideas for power level yet?

Nice parts!

Great car, I am not surprised by the guides, I have assembled alot of racing BBC and you have to know what you are doing its not a slap it together engine! I am building a 496 for my 69 so I am working with the Todd starter kit! I have cubic inch envy! You will definately need some new tires soon! :thumbsup:

sweet!!!
so much for re-using parts though! lol

It's that snowball effect. The rods were borderline at best. The crank was external balance and ok for that engine. The balancer was ok for that engine. At the end of the day, I must insure my investment. Being that chunk of aluminum. If I stick a rod through the side of it, it won't be because I cut a few corners. I want something that is going to stand up to the torture I plan to put it through. If there's one thing I've learned in the last 3 years building this car, do it right the second time, I mean first time. :unibrow: This puts all my other do overs to shame.

Well you are doing it right this time for sure. You mentioned a rod through the block.....that gave me chills.....:_paranoid

Todd, that sucks about the valves/valve guides, but that's a GOOD EXCUSE to upgrade and do it right!! Sounds good about porting the heads. Did Jason how many horses you would gain with the ported heads?
Callies makes a great crank. Highly recommended by a lot of people. Keep us posted buddy!:thumbsup: :cheers:

Any word on the engine Todd?

That a good choice on parts by all mean port the cylinder heads prep the valve face 4 angle seat will also help on flow:thumbsup:

No updates just yet. I know he had two engines that needed dynoed and had to go out the door. I should hear from him this week yet.

Any updates yet Todd?

I am officially living out my PT fantasy through this thread---something breaks and is replaced with the very best. What will be the next thing to wear out prematurely? Sounds like your wallet might be inline---

Doug

Jason and I are on the same page and I'm letting him do his thing. I've authorized him to do the port job on the heads. We are still on schedule for February. He will have some photos of all his trick work soon. Hell, I can't wait!

Are you expecting you clutch to hold the new power? You have Dual Friction if I remember correctly?