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Ripped 06-27-2013 10:24 AM

I spent 2 years blocksanding and doing bodywork, and another year bolting parts on, to make a car, so I kind of have a little empathy for you.

Once I get the engine in and the car on the road, that attitude will change ;)

It's all about a little progress at a time. Having really good music in the garage helps too. :_party: :_party:

BTW the wife was talking about driving down the coast from here through Oregon, through to Socal (we did that drive many years ago) won't be this summer, though.

Ripped 06-27-2013 11:16 AM

In case you need a daily driver, while you are working on your car, I found a pretty nice alternative for you;

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/va...896498099.html

FETorino 06-27-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ripped (Post 489743)
In case you need a daily driver, while you are working on your car, I found a pretty nice alternative for you;

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/va...896498099.html

Not a bad option but that is the biggest Torino of them all. 5 inches longer than mine with an inch more wheelbase. They also weight another 100-150lbs.:D

For a newer model Torino daily driver I'd opt for a 72 with a Cleveland.:thumbsup:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps96018a2b.jpg

GregWeld 06-27-2013 05:47 PM

So that's what they look like!?!?!?

Rick D 06-27-2013 06:59 PM

Now that is a land yacht! But that would be cool DD Rob :relax: Buy it! Buy it! Buy it!:thumbsup:

FETorino 06-27-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 489824)
So that's what they look like!?!?!?

Never pass up a chance to post a Torino Picture.:twak:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 489872)
Now that is a land yacht! But that would be cool DD Rob :relax: Buy it! Buy it! Buy it!:thumbsup:

Hey I have to finish one Torino before I buy another. Building this one may kill me. :faint:

I think they look pretty good as a PT car. Look GW I just posted another Torino pic.:poke:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps8a6206a2.jpg

Flash68 06-27-2013 09:53 PM

I think it's time for another avatar change isn't it? I mean, you've had this one going for at least 24, maybe even 36 hours... ?

:headscratch:

FETorino 06-27-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 489946)
I think it's time for another avatar change isn't it? I mean, you've had this one going for at least 24, maybe even 36 hours... ?

:headscratch:

Are you saying this as a friend or a moderator:headscratch:

Flash68 06-27-2013 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 489947)
Are you saying this as a friend or a moderator:headscratch:

60/40. :rules:

FETorino 06-29-2013 08:31 PM

I went outside and was thinking of starting on my lower steering shaft firewall plate. It was only 98 here today but that was hot enough for me to lose motivation for today.

I did take a shot of the lower portion of my column. You notice I ordered my column as a collapsable style. Some may say it is overkill in a rack and pinion steering set up to have a collapsible column but for a few extra $$ I'd say better safe than sorry.:bitchslap:

In the Woodward catalogue they discuss always using a collapsable shaft no matter the steering system set up. I think I'll trust them on that one.

It's not an AN fitting or a Bracket so I believe it is an appropriate picture to post.:rolleyes:


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps2643b33c.jpg

intocarss 06-29-2013 09:11 PM

I like that you think about safety

GregWeld 06-29-2013 09:12 PM

More importantly -- the picture is clear enough to actually see what you're trying to show us... Boring as that might be. I can see clearly now....


You know -- it was quite nice cruising the '32 in Sun Valley today... Got my Owners Rec Card picture done -- my season ski pass done -- a hair cut... dinner with friends on the patio... :>)

FETorino 06-29-2013 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 490363)
I like that you think about safety

I may know who suggested the safety equipment section on the forum.:secret:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 490364)
More importantly -- the picture is clear enough to actually see what you're trying to show us... Boring as that might be. I can see clearly now....


You know -- it was quite nice cruising the '32 in Sun Valley today... Got my Owners Rec Card picture done -- my season ski pass done -- a hair cut... dinner with friends on the patio... :>)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 490236)
When the Briz gets the '33 finished -- so I can have a top and some A/C -- if you're running the second annual -- COUNT ME IN!!


This year - with the unreliable Steve Frisbee built '32.... not so much.

It all must have been within walking distance of home. :lmao: That's the nice thing about a small community like Sun Valley :thumbsup:

FETorino 06-30-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 490363)
I like that you think about safety

Wire

It was still oppressively hot today:fire: so I sat and watched the Rolex 6hr this am and multitasked on a little project I need to finish. :D One down 23 to go.:faint:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb098e86a.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc6f6722d.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps5191415b.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps81e967a6.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb8e2aef1.jpg

Sieg 06-30-2013 03:18 PM

Nice work buddy!

That's my idea of a fun task. :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 06-30-2013 04:06 PM

Very nice Rob. Love that wire tool!

Rick D 06-30-2013 04:35 PM

Nice Rob, can never be to safe!! I haven't looked but where did you get those nice safety wire pliers? I'm loving all the details you are showing, and your pictures are looking better as well! :relax: :thumbsup:

b757jetdr 06-30-2013 04:55 PM

Rob,

Nice job on the wiring job! I know 20 yr aircraft mech that can't wire that good!:thumbsup:

I will have to dig up a tool I have here at work that will make that a TON easier, I will see it I can dig it up and post some pics!

intocarss 06-30-2013 05:24 PM

Looking good Rob, There's nothing like watching a lil TV and building your car from your Lazy boy!!

FETorino 06-30-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490480)
Nice work buddy!

That's my idea of a fun task. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 490490)
Very nice Rob. Love that wire tool!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 490494)
Nice Rob, can never be to safe!! I haven't looked but where did you get those nice safety wire pliers? I'm loving all the details you are showing, and your pictures are looking better as well! :relax: :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 490507)
Looking good Rob, There's nothing like watching a lil TV and building your car from your Lazy boy!!

Thanks :D If I had to do this for a living I'd starve, I'm way too slow.:lmao:

Quote:

Originally Posted by b757jetdr (Post 490500)
Rob,

Nice job on the wiring job! I know 20 yr aircraft mech that can't wire that good!:thumbsup:

I will have to dig up a tool I have here at work that will make that a TON easier, I will see it I can dig it up and post some pics!

Cable ties would be the easy route that I know of. An Aircraft crimping tool Is my guess. I wonder what you are coming up with? :headscratch:

So I knocked out one of the rears. I think I'm going to grab a set of 6" pliers in both lefty and righty. It would make this process way faster. Between my sausage fingers and the old 9" safety wire pliers I have this rotor took me too long.


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb60a6c4e.jpg

Sieg 06-30-2013 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 490510)
Thanks :D If I had to do this for a living I'd starve, I'm way too slow.:lmao:

I can cook, can you afford groceries?

b757jetdr 06-30-2013 05:48 PM

Cable ties would be the easy route that I know of. An Aircraft crimping tool Is my guess. I wonder what you are coming up with? :headscratch:

So I knocked out one of the rears. I think I'm going to grab a set of 6" pliers in both lefty and righty. It would make this process way faster. Between my sausage fingers and the old 9" safety wire pliers I have this rotor took me too long.


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psb60a6c4e.jpg[/QUOTE]

Rob,

Pretty good guess and description. I have the 6" left and right pliers if you need them? I will dig up that tool tomorrow and see about some pics.

FETorino 06-30-2013 06:04 PM

So before I got around to safety wiring the rotors I had to build them up. It is a simple exercise but it took a bit of time to do. Part of this is me being anal about putting them together.

Why worry about assembling brake parts right.:lmao:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc618e490.jpg

I'll run through this quick. It also gives me a chance to show off my Wilwood floating hats.:hapdance:

Here one is.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps7ae7549b.jpg

It's AL like most of the front hats but you'll notice the T slots in it instead of just threaded holes.

Into these you inset these little T nuts.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps209457fa.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps977e9b3b.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse83d7269.jpg

Man that is a crappy picture. I can't wait to hear GWs comment on that one. :rolleyes:

This allows the rotor to "float" on the hat. This really separates the hat and the rotor into two separate pieces. Having two separate sections of the rotor and hat helps to keep heat generated in the rotor off of the hat. By keeping the hat cool you are less likely to have any flex, giving you more feel and braking predictability under extreme braking conditions. A floating rotor also allows for much more contact surface between the rotor and brake pads since the rotor itself follows the path of the pads correcting any imperfection either may have as it floats.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc1ae3024.jpg

Now with anything that requires a definitive torque value I make sure the threads are clean and free of burrs. In most cases that means a quick run of a tap through the threads.

In this case the stainless bolts are nice and hard compared to the T nuts so I just dry fitted them. If any of the bolts had bound as I was assembling the rotors I would have got a tap out for that one. :warning:

With these T nuts you use a small T wire to ensure the nuts don't rotate as you torque the bolts.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps65c2356b.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps761e80e0.jpg

I didn't have any issues with this set. Once the rotors are completely assembled to hand tight it's time to loctite and torque them.

I use two sockets of the same size to make the next step easy. Once I torque a bolt I leave the socket on it and then go to the bolt directly across to torque in a criss cross pattern. the first socket serves as a marker to remind me where I just was.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps2e5321eb.jpg

Once you put a bit of loctite RED on all the bolts bolt and torque them to 125 in lbs (in this case) it's time to get out the safety wire pliers.:hairpullout:

:cheers:

Sieg 06-30-2013 06:10 PM

If you really wanted to show them off you should have taken FIRST SET of pictures IN @*^#$ FOCUS! :twak:

The second set get's you a big pat on the back.........you're actually making an effort! Women like that in a man. :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 490520)
Man those are crappy pictures. I can't wait to hear GWs comment on that one. :rolleyes:

Why are you worried about GW? :bitchslap:

FETorino 06-30-2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b757jetdr (Post 490517)

Rob,

Pretty good guess and description. I have the 6" left and right pliers if you need them? I will dig up that tool tomorrow and see about some pics.

Maybe one of these

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490522)
If you really wanted to show them off you should have taken FIRST SET of pictures IN @*^#$ FOCUS! :twak:

The second set get's you a big pat on the back.........you're actually making an effort! Women like that in a man. :thumbsup:



Why are you worried about GW? :bitchslap:

:lmao: I figured he'd beat you to complaining about the photo quality. But you were first. :trophy-1302:

GregWeld 07-01-2013 05:18 AM

Nice parts -- nice write up -- I see that Cheryl took some of the photos and you did a couple of the others?

Sieg 07-01-2013 05:28 AM

http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...es/pictime.gif :D

I've never seen that safety cable system, very cool and quick! :thumbsup:

b757jetdr 07-01-2013 06:24 AM

Rob,

That is the gem! We use it when access is limited. I will try and round mine up here at work and if your interested in trying it let me know.:thumbsup:

intocarss 07-01-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 490618)
Nice parts -- nice write up -- I see that Cheryl took some of the photos and you did a couple of the others?

How do we all know that..... with all your :G-Dub: you just don't have a professional photographer on your payroll. Has anyone here ever seen a pic of GW with a camera in his hand?? :confused59: :stirthepot:

Sieg 07-01-2013 01:34 PM

http://sieg.smugmug.com/Other/Canon-..._MG_3828-L.jpg

:whistling:

GregWeld 07-01-2013 03:14 PM

Just when we need a GRAINY picture.....



:drowninga:

fleet 07-01-2013 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490697)

Sieg...FTW! :D

intocarss 07-01-2013 04:03 PM

Sieg sure has a lot of gold bling

Sieg 07-01-2013 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 490724)
Sieg sure has a lot of gold bling

:snapout: No gold on the wife, house, or car.........only gold in our family is a few old crowns. :lol: Silver, platinum, Ti, brushed-nickel, pewter, etc. is the way we roll. :D

214Chevy 07-01-2013 05:57 PM

Great looking brakes Rob. But, I have one question for you and anybody else can answer this. Why does one have to assemble Wilwood brakes for the money they cost? To me that is an inconvenience to the customer. I mean, I know there are more expensive brakes on the market, but to spend anywhere from $1200-$2000 and up on brakes and then have to assemble them is just bewildering to me. I understand some things in this hobby need assembling, but I haven't seen this practice too common with any other manufacturer that "I" know of. Again, great looking brakes and they look awesome, but I been wondering about that forever.

FETorino 07-01-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 214Chevelle (Post 490744)
Great looking brakes Rob. But, I have one question for you and anybody else can answer this. Why does one have to assemble Wilwood brakes for the money they cost? To me that is an inconvenience to the customer. I mean, I know there are more expensive brakes on the market, but to spend anywhere from $1200-$2000 and up on brakes and then have to assemble them is just bewildering to me. I understand some things in this hobby need assembling, but I haven't seen this practice too common with any other manufacturer that "I" know of. Again, great looking brakes and they look awesome, but I been wondering about that forever.

Nothing in life is free. You pay for everything one way or another. If your rotors came pre assembled to the hats then you paid for it in the cost of the brakes. I'd rather pay for R&D and material or machining costs than for assembly. I feel with Wilwood you get better quality at the same or lower price point than some of their competitors.

It may also have to do with inventory management. For my application I wanted 14" slotted e-coated rotors and floating hats.

Somebody else may substitute standard hats with the same rotors. or smaller rotors or drilled rotors, ect.

By not assembling the complete package you don't need to stock as much inventory and yet can likely have exactly what the customer wants in stock when they order. The customer doesn't get stuck with the choice of get what I have or wait:shakehead: For a smaller company they offer a large product line that is readily available.

I'd say their model works pretty good.:thumbsup:

FETorino 07-01-2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490621)
http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums...es/pictime.gif :D

I've never seen that safety cable system, very cool and quick! :thumbsup:

You see Sieg my thread isn't all bad after all:mock:

Quote:

Originally Posted by b757jetdr (Post 490625)
Rob,

That is the gem! We use it when access is limited. I will try and round mine up here at work and if your interested in trying it let me know.:thumbsup:

Chris I wish you were closer I'd take you up on that. Right now I'm justifying adding one to my tool inventory. I mean they are only $:censored: plus about $1.10 per cable. :confused59:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 490697)

:disgusted:

Rick D 07-01-2013 08:24 PM

Glad to see someone's posting progress pictures :poke: :thumbsup:

intocarss 07-01-2013 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 490767)
Glad to see someone's posting progress pictures :poke: :thumbsup:

Yup How do you like Siegs new hair do??

Sieg 07-01-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 490747)
Nothing in life is free. You pay for everything one way or another. If your rotors came pre assembled to the hats then you paid for it in the cost of the brakes. I'd rather pay for R&D and material or machining costs than for assembly. I feel with Wilwood you get better quality at the same or lower price point than some of their competitors.

It may also have to do with inventory management. For my application I wanted 14" slotted e-coated rotors and floating hats.

Somebody else may substitute standard hats with the same rotors. or smaller rotors or drilled rotors, ect.

By not assembling the complete package you don't need to stock as much inventory and yet can likely have exactly what the customer wants in stock when they order. The customer doesn't get stuck with the choice of get what I have or wait:shakehead: For a smaller company they offer a large product line that is readily available.

I'd say their model works pretty good.:thumbsup:

It's a Brake Buffet Extraordinaire!

All your points are good, though I wonder if liability factors in.

As previously mentioned I really enjoy assembling components like those. :yes:


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