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RECOVERY ROOM 06-23-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 355590)
Stay tuned.... A certain giant and I have been cooking up some good thoughts....

The Jolly green........

CarterHickmanDesigns 06-23-2011 02:41 PM

I call him sasquatch!

HWY Nova 06-23-2011 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 355590)
Stay tuned.... A certain giant and I have been cooking up some good thoughts....

Well, Greg. It's about time you started a new thread!


--Eric

ironworks 06-23-2011 03:33 PM

I bet he keeps this one going just to try and get his thread as long as Todd's. You know thread views are important these days.

Or just pays Scott for his own forum thread section called Greg's blog.

ironworks 06-23-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CarterHickmanDesigns (Post 355735)
I call him sasquatch!

EASY Willow. EASY

Vegas69 06-23-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 355746)
I bet he keeps this one going just to try and get his thread as long as Todd's. You know thread views are important these days.

Or just pays Scott for his own forum thread section called Greg's blog.

:thumbsup: :D

GregWeld 06-23-2011 10:06 PM

I already do pay Scott.... notice the "supporting" member under my name...
:woot:

96z28ss 06-24-2011 03:14 AM

he should make you a mod, no one is here more than you.

GregWeld 06-24-2011 06:34 AM

Well.... I'll have to take back my comment about the car being 110%.... and drop that percentage a bit.

Seems I still have a brake light issue.... as in "intermittent" operation.

Some parts of the story I had left out of the S.A.R story is that they ran my brand new Smeding 383 without oil pressure for 15 or 20 MINUTES.... and while the bearings looked okay upon inspection... the motor now (has 700 miles on it) smokes when you get on it - or after compression (coming down a grade) and get back into the throttle... BLUE SMOKE not black. So I'm thinking - given their "history" of mechanical work - that they failed to seal the intake manifold correctly... or that the valve seals were wiped out... or who knows.

Vegas69 06-24-2011 09:00 AM

The engine and especially bearings would be toast with 15-20 minutes of run time with no oil pressure. With little to no oil pressure, there is no oil to sling on the cylinders or camshaft.

syborg tt 06-24-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 355747)
EASY Willow. EASY

Harsh brother Harsh

HRBS 06-24-2011 09:10 AM

Holy S....
Break out the tools.
Your main bearings and rings are gone.

toddshotrods 06-24-2011 10:21 AM

Please tell us you're NOT going to take it back to SAR! :(

T-Bolt 06-24-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 355867)
Some parts of the story I had left out of the S.A.R story is that they ran my brand new Smeding 383 without oil pressure for 15 or 20 MINUTES.....

When did you find that out?

waynieZ 06-24-2011 07:21 PM

I can't believe they didn't watch for oil pressure! It just keeps getting worst.

GregWeld 06-25-2011 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by toddshotrods (Post 355925)
Please tell us you're NOT going to take it back to SAR! :(

No it's never ever ever ever never ever going back there....


So here's another funny "story" in the saga. I'm up in Canada EH?! (Blake and Anita showed up last night with the Nova - so we'll have fun) and my sister says "you don't have brake lights again"...... WTF OMG are you kidding me! I've been complaining about this since first picking up the car.

Well - my brain kicks in - and I like SIMPLE.... so I'm thinking.... hmmmmmm.... repop tail lights --- my guess is with an intermittent problem like this it's the socket in the tail light... SURE ENOUGH.... the bulb is loose as a goose. A pair of long nose pliers - tighten the GROUNDING SOCKET and bingo issue solved. This is after they've rewired the circuit - gone over the circuit - and disassembled the housings and painted them white (for better reflection) AND put in brighter bulbs... SOOOOOOO someone had to have felt
exactly what took me half a nanosecond to feel. The bulb is flopping around in the socket. DOH.

GregWeld 06-25-2011 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 355996)
I can't believe they didn't watch for oil pressure! It just keeps getting worst.


No Wayne -- this is a PROFESSIONAL shop -- they don't need oil pressure gauges hooked up.

After awhile I heard the valve train clattering so loudly I could hear it across the street (LOL) and asked them to kill it! Pulled off a valve cover and it was BONE DRY....

THEY put in an MSD slip collar distributor.... but THEY failed to adjust said slip collar until it actually engaged the oil pump. EPIC FAIL. :lol: They also failed to prime the oil system before firing off.... why? Because they don't own a priming tool at the shop! REALLY!?! I thought it was a hot rod shop.

clill 06-25-2011 06:21 AM

WoW ! That takes the cake. Now I really am feeling for you.

mdprovee 06-25-2011 07:21 AM

Sorry to hear about all your pains. I feel for ya.

Flash68 06-25-2011 09:51 AM

Greg, this story keeps getting worse.... so the question now is: what REAL shop you going to take it to get it sorted out?

ccracin 06-25-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 356061)
Greg, this story keeps getting worse.... so the question now is: what REAL shop you going to take it to get it sorted out?

I believe it is called "THE SHED"! :unibrow:

70rs 06-25-2011 11:43 AM

Wow.......just wow. I am at a loss for words.:willy:

rjsjea 06-25-2011 12:29 PM

That's just careless firing the motor with no oil pressure gauge hooked up......maybe more like incompetent

70rs 06-25-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rjsjea (Post 356095)
That's just careless firing the motor with no oil pressure gauge hooked up......maybe more like incompetent

I agree! What I am wondering is how this shop got the "great" reputation they have (had)?
Are they using unskilled workers in areas they really need seasoned vets? Is the management different now ?
How does ANY shop have so many issues and stay in business?

GregWeld 06-25-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ccracin (Post 356062)
I believe it is called "THE SHED"! :unibrow:

You got it buddy --- straight to "the shed"!

Everything has been fine this weekend... after I got the lights working. But the engine will need a complete do over. No biggie -- it just might have to get a wee bit more 'umpf'.... EEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

tones2SS 06-27-2011 05:51 PM

Man, sorry to hear about the oil pressure and other problems Greg. It's a good thing you have knowledge about cars and have that "shed". Good luck!!

GregWeld 06-27-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tones2SS (Post 356501)
Man, sorry to hear about the oil pressure and other problems Greg. It's a good thing you have knowledge about cars and have that "shed". Good luck!!

Thanks! Not to worry -- the motor is actually "fine"... it was a cheap crate motor... and we did pull rod and main bearings and they were PERFECT and coated with oil even after all that. I'm pretty certain it's more like they failed (another epic fail) to seal the intake manifold properly. It only huffs blue smoke after a prolonged deceleration... which is telling me that the intake is then pulling oil in from the valley.

Maybe the "pros" will chime in here -- but that's my "official" diagnosis. It won't take me long to pop that off and do a proper job of it.

Actually - it's the brake lights that really get me to chuckling about the entire ordeal. It's like REALLY?! Such a simple inexpensive 1 minute fix.

I will repeat what I've said earlier though... the craftsmanship is superb. Really.

waynieZ 06-27-2011 09:06 PM

I wish I had your outlook Greg. My motor has sat for 4 years. Every once in a while I run the oil pressure up with the primer tool while I turn it over by hand but I'm still worried about Murphy's law. Every time I think of it starting the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
Glad it running OK for you.

GregWeld 06-27-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 356561)
I wish I had your outlook Greg. My motor has sat for 4 years. Every once in a while I run the oil pressure up with the primer tool while I turn it over by hand but I'm still worried about Murphy's law. Every time I think of it starting the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
Glad it running OK for you.

It's just a whole lot easier when you take the $$ part out of the equation... it can all be fixed. Might be a 'hassle', but it can be fixed. I only get upset because I expect to get top notch when I'm billed for top notch. In this case I got billed for inexperience and amateur hour mistakes then I was billed again for fixing it and then again for fixing it again. :D

DOOM 06-28-2011 06:37 AM

Greg it has to be valve seals or intake.. Dumb question, do you have any type of PCV system?

fleet 06-28-2011 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 356158)
You got it buddy --- straight to "the shed"!

Everything has been fine this weekend... after I got the lights working. But the engine will need a complete do over. No biggie -- it just might have to get a wee bit more 'umpf'.... EEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

Would a handy dandy 'shed 427 work? :unibrow:

GregWeld 06-28-2011 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 356618)
Greg it has to be valve seals or intake.. Dumb question, do you have any type of PCV system?

Yes Mario -- it has a PCV... and it's baffled. I've seen this scenario before and it acts exactly like a intake sealing issue. When these butterflies close - they're really closed - they have very tight tolerances so there's just no air coming in via the air valves -- thus leading me to think then that the vacuum created is pulling oily air in from the valley. There is no smoke on acceleration or at any other time.

I agree - if it's not the intake seal - that valve seals would be the next thing I'll look at. I have really high oil pressure - cruising on the freeway at 1800 rpms it's 75#'s -- so there's plenty of oil "up top". And running until the valve train was so dry that it clattered like a diesel could certainly have wiped them out.

GregWeld 06-28-2011 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 356619)
Would a handy dandy 'shed 427 work? :unibrow:

Not a 427 -- I don't like that combo.... been there done that. Just not enough piston for a street driven motor. But a nice 406 would give it a bit more 'arm'... not that it needs it. The 383 in there now makes 455 #'s of TQ at 4000 rpms and I'm guessing the car only weighs 2200/2300 #'s. 4:30 rear gears - TKO 5 speed.... it's pretty "responsive". I just like the way the 408 in the Nomad runs... with the "honda" rod journal size crank and lightweight reciprocating bottom end -- that motor is super snappy/happy...

Funny -- you never get to really hear - or feel - or experience YOUR car except in the drivers seat. Since I have Rudy's (my BIL) Camaro torn apart... I loaned them my Nomad (don't want him to have show withdrawal). And I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

fleet 06-28-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 356629)
Not a 427 -- I don't like that combo.... been there done that. Just not enough piston for a street driven motor. But a nice 406 would give it a bit more 'arm'... not that it needs it. The 383 in there now makes 455 #'s of TQ at 4000 rpms and I'm guessing the car only weighs 2200/2300 #'s. 4:30 rear gears - TKO 5 speed.... it's pretty "responsive". I just like the way the 408 in the Nomad runs... with the "honda" rod journal size crank and lightweight reciprocating bottom end -- that motor is super snappy/happy...

Funny -- you never get to really hear - or feel - or experience YOUR car except in the drivers seat. Since I have Rudy's (my BIL) Camaro torn apart... I loaned them my Nomad (don't want him to have show withdrawal). And I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

I remembered you took it out of the '56 but I thought it might work better for you in the much lighter car and give you that 'Gitts' (cheap John Huston/Jack Nicholson/Chinatown ref) feeling. ;)

waynieZ 06-28-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 356629)
I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

Greg it sounds like this discription should be in Penthouse letters for car guys!
I was getting kinds of excited. :unibrow:

tones2SS 06-28-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 356629)
Since I have Rudy's (my BIL) Camaro torn apart... I loaned them my Nomad (don't want him to have show withdrawal). And I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

That would put a smile on my face from ear to ear.:D
Glad to hear that the engine is "ok" and still workable. Keep us posted.

GregWeld 06-29-2011 05:49 PM

Guys,

It gets better and better.... Today I found the 2/4 spark plug wires crossed... toned them out and plugged them on the correct plugs. Decided as long as I was at it - I'd change plugs 'just to see how things are going'.... I can tell you the little small block has a much better torque curve now! Those two plugs being crossed up made quite the difference! I've been just fooling with things - I'm a tune up freak - and something in the exhaust just didn't sound quite right... guess I found out why!

EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

waynieZ 06-29-2011 07:35 PM

Almost nothing you find wrong now will surprise me. Keep digging !

Jims78elky 06-29-2011 07:57 PM

Greg,

Wow..more problems...again? Just amazing what should be a simple fun project is turning into a find the big gun and go shoot something lol..Seriously, Iam sorry for all the crap this has been for you, its really a nightmare.

So what's next? If you find a half eaten Bologna sammich under the oil pan...don't worry its not mine! lol..:lol:

Hang in there buddy...hopefully you'll get some satisfying rolling time soon with it.

GregWeld 06-29-2011 08:08 PM

as a matter of fact Jimbo...... :D


This is what's plagued this build from the get go (since being "finished") it's been just one STUPID mistake after another on the MECHANICALS. Thank god
the fit and finish is as perfect as a guy could ask for.

I'll pull the intake tomorrow if I get to it.. I still have the core support to paint for my BIL's Camaro project. Picked up his motor from the builder today - and of course that always takes more time that you factor... too many kool other builds going on so have to chat about each one... plus they're friends so there's that jib jab too.


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