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fleetus macmullitz 05-21-2014 12:01 AM
^^^^^^^^^

Man car alert. :thumbsup:

Nice :flashie:

GregWeld 05-21-2014 06:32 AM
I've said it 500 times === anyone that THINKS they need power brakes just doesn't have their brakes right to begin with. We can now THINK about re-issuing his man card. LOL



Will be fun viewing this car in the rear view mirror.

Sieg 05-21-2014 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551684)
Will be fun viewing this car in the rear view mirror.
If Gae wasn't awake yet, he is now. :lol:

Track Junky 05-21-2014 07:33 AM
Another quick thrash yesterday by Vince. Thanks buddy. We were flushing the brake system Saturday night and the booster took a crap. Vinced advised going to manual. I was on the fence but finally said f it, go for it. Went by after work yesterday to bring another bottle of Motul and top the resevoir off. Once topped off it was brake check time. After a couple quick thrashes we readjusted the prop valve. went for another brake check and as soon as I jumped on the throttle the seat slid back. Noticed one of the sliders had cracked so we welded the seat to the base.
On top of that we got a set of R6's and was able to squeeze a 295 up front by stretching the front fenders a bit more with the help of a baseball bat.
I'm almost afraid to say it but I think she's ready for this Saturdays Time Trial event with NASA.

GregWeld 05-21-2014 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 551708)
Another quick thrash yesterday by Vince. Thanks buddy. We were flushing the brake system Saturday night and the booster took a crap. Vinced advised going to manual. I was on the fence but finally said f it, go for it. Went by after work yesterday to bring another bottle of Motul and top the resevoir off. Once topped off it was brake check time. After a couple quick thrashes we readjusted the prop valve. went for another brake check and as soon as I jumped on the throttle the seat slid back. Noticed one of the sliders had cracked so we welded the seat to the base.
On top of that we got a set of R6's and was able to squeeze a 295 up front by stretching the front fenders a bit more with the help of a baseball bat.
I'm almost afraid to say it but I think she's ready for this Saturdays Time Trial event with NASA.



'Bout time you quit running girlie tires like these "pro touring" / wannabe race cars.... LOL

Track Junky 05-21-2014 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551684)
Will be fun viewing this car in the rear view mirror.
Nobody told me youl'd be driving the pace car :mock:

Track Junky 05-21-2014 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551709)
'Bout time you quit running girlie tires like these "pro touring" / wannabe race cars.... LOL
Yup. Think its time to move this thread over to the race car section. Mods?

syborg tt 05-21-2014 08:05 AM
I love the stance on this beast

Track Junky 05-21-2014 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 551716)
I love the stance on this beast
Thanks Marty :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-21-2014 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 551716)
I love the stance on this beast
Needs a wide body treatment

Ron in SoCal 05-21-2014 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 551716)
I love the stance on this beast
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 551741)
Needs a wide body treatment
x2!!

G how do the manual brakes feel? Have you got any heat in them yet or done a wee bit of speedy stops?

Vince@Meanstreets 05-21-2014 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551684)
I've said it 500 times === anyone that THINKS they need power brakes just doesn't have their brakes right to begin with. We can now THINK about re-issuing his man card. LOL
if I had a dollar for everytime I said it I'd be able to sit at your big boy table.

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551684)
Will be fun viewing this car in the rear view mirror.

Vince@Meanstreets 05-21-2014 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 551743)
x2!!

G how do the manual brakes feel? Have you got any heat in them yet or done a wee bit of speedy stops?
his words were..."they feel the same" in regards to pedal feel and travel. I believe a pad and rotor change are next on his punch list.

Beach Cruiser 05-21-2014 11:23 AM
Car looks great! I'd like to know how the manual brakes work out on the track, I have great brakes with my power setup, but no "feel" Only way I can tell one is locked up is by the smoke rolling out of the fender and by then it's a little late :G-Dub:
I'm jealous, I'm only able to "squeeze" 315's under my front fenders, 295's are much more affordable! Good Luck!

Stovebolter 05-21-2014 11:31 AM
Still looks great. Another one of the cars that have inspired me. :theresa:

I too have joined the manual brake group.

LS7 Z/28 05-21-2014 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 551741)
Needs a wide body treatment
I'd love to see that on this car, I always enjoy seeing updates in this thread because it's always moving in the right direction. More badass.

Sieg 05-21-2014 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 551713)
Yup. Think its time to move this thread over to the race car section. Mods?
Well technically it still appears to be a project.......ask again after it actually gets on the track. :mock:

Just because it finally got a race car master cylinder doesn't mean it qualifies.

:underchair:

GregWeld 05-21-2014 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 551773)
Well technically it still appears to be a project.......ask again after it actually gets on the track. :mock:

Just because it finally got a race car master cylinder doesn't mean it qualifies.

:underchair:



OUCH!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fleetus macmullitz 05-21-2014 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 551773)
Well technically it still appears to be a project.......ask again after it actually gets on the track. :mock:

Just because it finally got a race car master cylinder doesn't mean it qualifies.

:underchair:

:lol:


Now that's a 'moderate' response. ;)

Track Junky 05-21-2014 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 551741)
Needs a wide body treatment
No wide body treatment for this one. I'll just keep stretchin' her old school style. :warning:

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 551743)
x2!!

G how do the manual brakes feel? Have you got any heat in them yet or done a wee bit of speedy stops?
Funny dude, had to text you get your opinion and we were both on the same page but when Vince told me he had another booster at the shop and we could always send the mc back if I didn't like it I said F it lets try it. To be honest the brakes feel absolutely no different. Weird right? Serious though...I cant tell the difference.
The pads I have in there initially were great but don't bite like they did when they were new. What I did learn though is that I like pads that have a strong initial bite. These pads when new felt like they were going to tear the rotors apart when I stomped on the brakes but I loved the stopping power. After the use of these pads the rotors are showing signs of bluing and surface cracks but I'm not going to have time to get pads and rotors before this Saturday so I'll make do till after this track day.

Track Junky 05-21-2014 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Beach Cruiser (Post 551758)
Car looks great! I'd like to know how the manual brakes work out on the track, I have great brakes with my power setup, but no "feel" Only way I can tell one is locked up is by the smoke rolling out of the fender and by then it's a little late :G-Dub:
I'm jealous, I'm only able to "squeeze" 315's under my front fenders, 295's are much more affordable! Good Luck!
Thanks Miles. The R6's run bigger than the NT-01's in 315's so I had to stretch the rear out a bit more. The 295's ran a bit bigger than the 275 RA-1's so I gave it the old school stretch treatment up front also.
In my case running manual brakes throws out two possibilities of failing parts. One being the booster and the other being the vacuum pump I had to use do to the size of my cam. I recommend going manual. I cant even tell the difference between the two.

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Originally Posted by Stovebolter (Post 551759)
Still looks great. Another one of the cars that have inspired me. :theresa:

I too have joined the manual brake group.
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Originally Posted by Valve Lash (Post 551766)
I'd love to see that on this car, I always enjoy seeing updates in this thread because it's always moving in the right direction. More badass.
Thanks guys :thumbsup:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 551773)
Well technically it still appears to be a project.......ask again after it actually gets on the track. :mock:

Just because it finally got a race car master cylinder doesn't mean it qualifies.

:underchair:
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551781)
OUCH!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Originally Posted by cosmo meant it (Post 551789)
:lol:


Now that's a 'moderate' response. ;)
Man you guys run a tight ship around here :lol:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-21-2014 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 551807)
No wide body treatment for this one. I'll just keep stretchin' her old school style. :warning:



Funny dude, had to text you get your opinion and we were both on the same page but when Vince told me he had another booster at the shop and we could always send the mc back if I didn't like it I said F it lets try it. To be honest the brakes feel absolutely no different. Weird right? Serious though...I cant tell the difference.
The pads I have in there initially were great but don't bite like they did when they were new. What I did learn though is that I like pads that have a strong initial bite. These pads when new felt like they were going to tear the rotors apart when I stomped on the brakes but I loved the stopping power. After the use of these pads the rotors are showing signs of bluing and surface cracks but I'm not going to have time to get pads and rotors before this Saturday so I'll make do till after this track day.
just because it (barely) fits....doesn't make it right.

fleetus macmullitz 05-22-2014 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 551854)
just because it (barely) fits....doesn't make it right.
:lol:

Vince...FTW!

Sieg 05-22-2014 08:01 AM
Priceless Vince! :lmao:

GregWeld 05-22-2014 08:10 AM
Biggest improvement to be made to this crate.... a driver change. LOL



Seriously -- the R6's will be such a major improvement it will be a "come to jesus" moment when you get them heat cycled and ready to rock.

With the sizes you're running... the car should be on rails. Right up until you become over confident. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Stovebolter 05-22-2014 08:57 AM
Lol Vince.

Damn True 05-22-2014 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 551854)
just because it (barely) fits....doesn't make it right.
Saw a gal today in yoga pants that reminded me of this post.

Track Junky 05-22-2014 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 551896)
Seriously -- the R6's will be such a major improvement it will be a "come to jesus" moment when you get them heat cycled and ready to rock.

With the sizes you're running... the car should be on rails. Right up until you become over confident. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Not looking forward to breaking these tires in. According to Hoosier you need to run 3-5 more lbs of air, run approx. 7-8 laps trying to get the most heat in them on the last couple laps then let them cool.
I figure I'll start out at 34 lbs cold which should take me to 40 lbs hot. Then when I bring the car in I'll put all four up on jack stands and let cool.
Should be interesting.

Track Junky 05-22-2014 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Damn True (Post 552005)
Saw a gal today in yoga pants that reminded me of this post.
Guess you can say that quote doesn't apply to every situation. :unibrow:

GregWeld 05-22-2014 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 552013)
Not looking forward to breaking these tires in. According to Hoosier you need to run 3-5 more lbs of air, run approx. 7-8 laps trying to get the most heat in them on the last couple laps then let them cool.
I figure I'll start out at 34 lbs cold which should take me to 40 lbs hot. Then when I bring the car in I'll put all four up on jack stands and let cool.
Should be interesting.

I have no idea what you should be running -- hot or cold!


I know I'm running a far smaller tire (245) and we're running 29.5 rear and 31.5 front.... on the Mustang

Damn True 05-22-2014 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 552013)
Not looking forward to breaking these tires in. According to Hoosier you need to run 3-5 more lbs of air, run approx. 7-8 laps trying to get the most heat in them on the last couple laps then let them cool.
I figure I'll start out at 34 lbs cold which should take me to 40 lbs hot. Then when I bring the car in I'll put all four up on jack stands and let cool.
Should be interesting.

Tire rack will heat cycle them for you. It's not expensive and you know they were brought to the correct temp for the correct amount of time.

GregWeld 05-22-2014 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Damn True (Post 552036)
Tire rack will heat cycle them for you. It's not expensive and you know they were brought to the correct temp for the correct amount of time.



Damn -- This IS "BUDGET TRACK CAR" thread.... you think he's going to pay $60 for 4 heat cycled tires???



Sutton told me that even though I do that -- I still have to bring them up to temp slowly... so of course I went straight out onto the track and ran like my second fastest lap. When I came back in - I got scolded a little... LOL

Track Junky 05-22-2014 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 552025)
I have no idea what you should be running -- hot or cold!


I know I'm running a far smaller tire (245) and we're running 29.5 rear and 31.5 front.... on the Mustang
Typically I hover around 34-36 lbs hot on the 100 tread wear. I've had conversation with the guys running slicks and they tell me they start out at about 28 cold. I know I'll get some input from the NASA boys when I get there so I'll wait and see what they recommend.

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Originally Posted by Damn True (Post 552036)
Tire rack will heat cycle them for you. It's not expensive and you know they were brought to the correct temp for the correct amount of time.
True, I remember that option but this time around I didn't see it or I would have gone that route. Don't know, maybe I missed it.

GregWeld 05-22-2014 09:24 PM
G -- I was running 28 rear and 29 front COLD --- but that wasn't enough... they were colder in the middle of the tire than they needed to be...


SO that's where the temp probe came into play -- and it told us where we should be.

Track Junky 05-22-2014 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 552047)
G -- I was running 28 rear and 29 front COLD --- but that wasn't enough... they were colder in the middle of the tire than they needed to be...


SO that's where the temp probe came into play -- and it told us where we should be.
Thanks Greg. That gives me a bit more insight and reminds me that I need to drop by Sonoma tomorrow to pick up a tire temp probe.

Sieg 05-22-2014 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 552041)
When I came back in - I got scolded a little... LOL
..........and his helmet was a little tough to get on the next session. :slingshot:

GregWeld 05-22-2014 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 552051)
Thanks Greg. That gives me a bit more insight and reminds me that I need to drop by Sonoma tomorrow to pick up a tire temp probe.


Pick up a Durometer while you're at it -- it's the only way you'll know when these tires are shot.

Don't think you had showed up yet -- but on Saturday I was describing a weird "set" the car was taking in the turns... kind of porpoising... and Ron starts with his magic tricks --- next thing he's telling me the right front is hard... the other three were fine -- But I changed all of them. BINGO the porpoising was gone! The hard tire was losing traction - 'causing the weirdo dance the car was doing. WHO KNEW!

Ron knew dat's who knew... His durometer told him all he needed to know.

The Hoosiers are toast when they hit 56... even though they were fairly new and looked fine!

Sieg 05-22-2014 10:06 PM
The tire durometer & pyrometer, pressure gauge, and infrared thermometer are invaluable tuning tools. Data delivers solutions!

Vince@Meanstreets 05-22-2014 10:17 PM
data gives you a direction. Can't get to optimum without knowing where you are starting.

Track Junky 05-23-2014 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 552056)
Pick up a Durometer while you're at it -- it's the only way you'll know when these tires are shot.

Don't think you had showed up yet -- but on Saturday I was describing a weird "set" the car was taking in the turns... kind of porpoising... and Ron starts with his magic tricks --- next thing he's telling me the right front is hard... the other three were fine -- But I changed all of them. BINGO the porpoising was gone! The hard tire was losing traction - 'causing the weirdo dance the car was doing. WHO KNEW!

Ron knew dat's who knew... His durometer told him all he needed to know.

The Hoosiers are toast when they hit 56... even though they were fairly new and looked fine!
I remember the story about the durometer. Have to see if I can find one in time. Last I heard Hoosiers are good for about 10 heat cycles. Not sure how to take that info because to me it sounds like 10 sessions.


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