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FETorino 01-21-2013 02:09 PM

I need to get outside and unload my truck and trailer but that will have to wait till the evening when it cools down. This 82+ deg weather is a bitch.:relax:

Sieg 01-21-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 459556)
I need to get outside and unload my truck and trailer but that will have to wait till the evening when it cools down. This 82+ deg weather is a bitch.:relax:

http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/kboom.gif


It's all the way up to 31* with a bright grey 100' ceiling :(

GregWeld 01-21-2013 03:06 PM

Sorry to hear about your septic tank Skip -- but just knowing you have to have it pumped says a lot about you to the rest of us....


Jer -- NOBODY feels sorry for you OR ROB!


Sieggy.... I commiserate with my fellow NorthWETner!



My day was just awful.... Oh yeah! Sorry about your thread Sieg! :popcorn2:





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Sieg 01-21-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 459564)
My day was just awful.... Oh yeah! Sorry about your thread Sieg! :popcorn2:

Not to worry Greggy, records are records.

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fleet 01-21-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 459564)
Sorry to hear about your septic tank Skip -- but just knowing you have to have it pumped says a lot about you to the rest of us....

Nah, I'm just a regular guy.:D

Like the side of the sani truck says..

"Better to have a royal flush then a full house!"

intocarss 01-21-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 459564)
Sorry to hear about your septic tank Skip -- but just knowing you have to have it pumped says a lot about you to the rest of us....


Jer -- NOBODY feels sorry for you OR ROB!


Sieggy.... I commiserate with my fellow NorthWETner!



My day was just awful.... Oh yeah! Sorry about your thread Sieg! :popcorn2:





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ey/file-16.jpg

:hello:

fleet 01-21-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 459564)
My day was just awful.... Oh yeah! Sorry about your thread Sieg! :popcorn2:





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ey/file-16.jpg


Yeah, you're tryin to rub our noses in 145.7" of packed powder, but kudos on the pic.

:D

glassman 01-21-2013 08:01 PM

Well, for what it's worth, the jetting on that 3hunny sounded good...:thumbsup:

Sieg 01-21-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 459634)
Well, for what it's worth, the jetting on that 3hunny sounded good...:thumbsup:

:rofl:

Nobody here will believe I set that up. :D

Contrary to forum opinion I actually do know what crisp jetting feels like and a crisp 230 lb. 50+ hp close-ratio 6 spd 3hunny feels pretty darn good. :thumbsup:

Sieg 01-22-2013 06:28 PM

As I was saying (beotching) about trying to tune in this weather...........

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...FREEZING RAIN ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO NOON PST WEDNESDAY FOR THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY...THE LOWER COLUMBIA RIVER VALLEY AND COWLITZ RIVER VALLEY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PORTLAND HAS ISSUED A FREEZING RAIN ADVISORY FOR LIGHT ICING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO NOON PST WEDNESDAY.
* TIMING...SPOTTY LIGHT FREEZING RAIN IS POSSIBLE BETWEEN 4 AM AND 6 AM...BUT MAIN THREAT OF FREEZING RAIN WILL BE BETWEEN 6 AM AND 10 AM. FREEZING RAIN THREAT WILL LAST UNTIL NOON IN AREAS CLOSER TO THE COLUMBIA RIVER.
* ICE ACCUMULATIONS...PRECIPITATION WILL BE LIGHT WITH ICE ACCUMULATIONS OF A FEW HUNDREDTHS TO AS MUCH AS ONE TENTH OF AN INCH.
* TEMPERATURE...TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN IN THE UPPER 20S AND LOWER 30S THROUGH MUCH OF WEDNESDAY MORNING...WARMING ABOVE FREEZING BY NOON. AS THE FRONT MOVES ACROSS REGION AND SOUTH WINDS DEVELOP...TEMPERATURES WILL WARM INTO THE UPPER 30S AND LOWER 40S IN THE AFTERNOON.
* IMPACTS...ICY CONDITIONS EXPECTED ON ROADWAYS...SIDEWALKS...AND STREETS WEDNESDAY MORNING.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
A FREEZING RAIN ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF FREEZING RAIN OR FREEZING DRIZZLE WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SLIPPERY ROADS. SLOW DOWN AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING.

Roberts68 01-22-2013 06:51 PM

:rolleyes: You will get no symapthy from me with regards to weather. Not with sub zero "high's" in the forecast here and wind chill advisory's from 25-45 below zero the last couple days.:confused59:

:guns:

Vince@Meanstreets 01-22-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 459556)
I need to get outside and unload my truck and trailer but that will have to wait till the evening when it cools down. This 82+ deg weather is a bitch.:relax:

I need you help, what do you use to clear all this sunshine out of your driveway? Been using a rake but its a pain sometimes. :lmao:

Sieg 01-22-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 459857)
I need you help, what do you use to clear all this sunshine out of your driveway? Been using a rake but its a pain sometimes. :lmao:




I will score you a 9.7 on the response though. :thumbsup:

Sieg 01-22-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roberts68 (Post 459855)
:rolleyes: You will get no symapthy from me with regards to weather. Not with sub zero "high's" in the forecast here and wind chill advisory's from 25-45 below zero the last couple days.:confused59:

:guns:

I DO NOT LIVE IN Minnefreezingsota! YOU DO!

glassman 01-23-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 459636)
:rofl:

Nobody here will believe I set that up. :D

Contrary to forum opinion I actually do know what crisp jetting feels like and a crisp 230 lb. 50+ hp close-ratio 6 spd 3hunny feels pretty darn good. :thumbsup:

Nice...two more months before I can ride again....itchen.

GregWeld 01-23-2013 08:53 PM

BIG DEAL!! I hauled ass right thru there -- blasted the air horn a couple times.... and kept right on truckin'!!



:bitchslap: :bitchslap: :D

Sieg 01-23-2013 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 460074)
BIG DEAL!! I hauled ass right thru there -- blasted the air horn a couple times.... and kept right on truckin'!!

:bitchslap: :bitchslap: :D

It was a lot better than the weather Guru's forecasted wasn't it. :thumbsup:

Has the Eagle landed in SoCal?

DaleTx 01-23-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 459554)
Good logic on the ECM and your choice of builders. :thumbsup:

Here's a forward view from Central Oregon, still no passing, at my age I wait til they fall down. :rules:

http://youtu.be/HqWLJxIECuw

Nice video, looks like a fun riding area :thumbsup:

I quit doing the fast stuff and passing too... Riding trials is good because when you fall down your only going 2 MPH.

intocarss 01-24-2013 05:30 PM

WELL ?? :guns:

Sieg 01-24-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 460188)
WELL ?? :guns:

Weather was nice this afternoon (46* dry), my schedule (obligations) didn't allow any play time. :bang: :sieg:

intocarss 01-24-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 460190)
Weather was nice this afternoon (46* dry), my schedule (obligations) didn't allow any play time. :bang: :sieg:

Ok you get a Hall Pass :rules:

GregWeld 01-24-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 460077)
It was a lot better than the weather Guru's forecasted wasn't it. :thumbsup:

Has the Eagle landed in SoCal?



Yep -- got here an hour before my buddy landed at Ontario airport -- unloaded his Range Rover -- drove to the airport and picked him up - and off he went to Palm Springs... Met up with Rudy and we've had showers and dinner - and have a plan to hit So Cal Speed Shop get together in the morning - hit the NHRA Museum - and then pound our feet into submission doing the show until it closes.


EEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

GregWeld 01-24-2013 08:42 PM

P.S.


The weather has been complete crap on the entire drive.... including "sunny warm so cal".


Spent $85 today getting the truck and trailer washed ---- because it looked "kinda" promising around 8AM --- by 9AM it was raining...

Oh well... Beats working for a living! :poke: :D

Sieg 01-24-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 460216)
Yep -- got here an hour before my buddy landed at Ontario airport -- unloaded his Range Rover -- drove to the airport and picked him up - and off he went to Palm Springs... Met up with Rudy and we've had showers and dinner - and have a plan to hit So Cal Speed Shop get together in the morning - hit the NHRA Museum - and then pound our feet into submission doing the show until it closes.


EEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

:drool: :willy: :bang: :bang: :bang:

PS - Hope the his Range Rover makes it to Palm Springs. :D

Sieg 01-24-2013 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 460221)
P.S.


The weather has been complete crap on the entire drive.... including "sunny warm so cal".


Spent $85 today getting the truck and trailer washed ---- because it looked "kinda" promising around 8AM --- by 9AM it was raining...

Oh well... Beats working for a living! :poke: :D

Bummer. It will break tomorrow so you'll be compelled to wash it again. Let Rudy know if I was riding shotgun I'd wash it for you. :rofl:

intocarss 01-29-2013 11:02 AM



:poke:

Sieg 01-29-2013 03:58 PM

How could you expose such a high-tech tuning method on Lat-g :confused59:

He knows how to build, tune and play...........


Vince@Meanstreets 01-29-2013 04:14 PM

Dang looks like uncle Jesse got a pair from Daiseys laundry day crate.

Sieg 02-02-2013 01:41 PM

Finally got to take a drive! Up to temp still hollow off idle, pulled over added 1/8 to the fuel screws, few miles on the highway, added another 1/8 turn and it's close!!! Possibly a little richer on the fuel screws or maybe an 1/8 turn tighter on the primary accelerator pump and bingo! 1,800 rpm in 6th was not as good as it could be, 2,100 in 5th good comfy cruise throttle at 63 mph. 3rd gear 4K hard roll on was........http://www.advrider.com/forums/image...ies/lieb62.gif

Now I can relax and start tuning this clunker! :woot: :woot:

GregWeld 02-02-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 460243)
Bummer. It will break tomorrow so you'll be compelled to wash it again. Let Rudy know if I was riding shotgun I'd wash it for you. :rofl:



If you saw it right now you'd swear it was grey and the trailer was brown. It ain't as much dirt as it is GRIT. WTF I just parked it and flew back to SV. Maybe the Seattle rain will knock the chunks off while I'm gone. :thumbsup:

GregWeld 02-02-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 462013)
Finally got to take a drive! Up to temp still hollow off idle, pulled over added 1/8 to the fuel screws, few miles on the highway, added another 1/8 turn and it's close!!! Possibly a little richer on the fuel screws or maybe an 1/8 turn tighter on the primary accelerator pump and bingo! 1,800 rpm in 6th was not as good as it could be, 2,100 in 5th good comfy cruise throttle at 63 mph. 3rd gear 4K hard roll on was........http://www.advrider.com/forums/image...ies/lieb62.gif

Now I can relax and start tuning this clunker! :woot: :woot:




Glad to hear it's getting closer. They are just motors - air - fuel - spark.... eventually it all has to come together! :popcorn2:

ccracin 02-02-2013 04:43 PM

When you think the fuel screws are close, try something. With the engine off, screw each screw all the way in and count the turns. after recording that, put them back to where you had them. With the engine warm and idling, check your fuel bowl level and idle speed to make sure they are correct. Now hook a vacuum gauge to the vacuum port on the side of the metering block. Now turn one screw in until the car starts to stumble then back out. Keep turning it out until the engine smooths and you obtain the highest vacuum reading. As soon as you get the highest reading, stop. If the idle is now a bit above where it was, back the idle back down to where you wanted it. Then go to the other screw and do the same thing. When you get the highest vacuum stop turning that screw. Again if the rpm is higher than you want, readjust it back to where you want With the idle adjuster screw. Go back to the other side and turn it in and out slightly to see if you can improve the vacuum reading. Maintain the highest vacuum reading you can. Go to the other side and do the same thing. When you are done, recap the vacuum port and take it for a ride. If you accelerator pump is adjusted close you should have a good crisp throttle. If this doesn't work for you, you can always go back to where you recorded the position of the screws before. Good luck! :thumbsup:

Sieg 02-02-2013 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 462036)
If you saw it right now you'd swear it was grey and the trailer was brown. It ain't as much dirt as it is GRIT. WTF I just parked it and flew back to SV. Maybe the Seattle rain will knock the chunks off while I'm gone. :thumbsup:

SV - Good for you! :thumbsup:

:idea: Maybe you need to send Gwen's Pool Boy to detailing school?

Sieg 02-02-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ccracin (Post 462048)
When you think the fuel screws are close, try something. With the engine off, screw each screw all the way in and count the turns. after recording that, put them back to where you had them. With the engine warm and idling, check your fuel bowl level and idle speed to make sure they are correct. Now hook a vacuum gauge to the vacuum port on the side of the metering block. Now turn one screw in until the car starts to stumble then back out. Keep turning it out until the engine smooths and you obtain the highest vacuum reading. As soon as you get the highest reading, stop. If the idle is now a bit above where it was, back the idle back down to where you wanted it. Then go to the other screw and do the same thing. When you get the highest vacuum stop turning that screw. Again if the rpm is higher than you want, readjust it back to where you want With the idle adjuster screw. Go back to the other side and turn it in and out slightly to see if you can improve the vacuum reading. Maintain the highest vacuum reading you can. Go to the other side and do the same thing. When you are done, recap the vacuum port and take it for a ride. If your accelerator pump is adjusted close you should have a good crisp throttle. If this doesn't work for you, you can always go back to where you recorded the position of the screws before. Good luck! :thumbsup:

Thanks Chad - That's basically my procedure but this carb has the idle bypass valve circuit in the baseplate so it finding the traditional happy places has another new element to me. Right now I'm roughly 3-3 1/8 turns out and just a hair above 10" on the vac gauge @ 1K rpm. I've been adjusting all fuel screws equally to find a base which I think I now have and can dial them by ear and guage individually now. I don't think this cam will give much more than 11" - 11.5", but the new heads and manifold add yet another unknown element. :D

Just took another test drive and it is better and feels pretty strong in the upper rpm range of 3rd & 4th with out of the box jetting. The RPM Air Gap manifold is definitely an improvement over the old Torker II.

Can't wait for better weather and a free day to nothing but test and tune!

ccracin 02-02-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 462060)
Thanks Chad - That's basically my procedure but this carb has the idle bypass valve circuit in the baseplate so it finding the traditional happy places has another new element to me. Right now I'm roughly 3-3 1/8 turns out and just a hair above 10" on the vac gauge @ 1K rpm. I've been adjusting all fuel screws equally to find a base which I think I now have and can dial them by ear and guage individually now. I don't think this cam will give much more than 11" - 11.5", but the new heads and manifold add yet another unknown element. :D

Just took another test drive and it is better and feels pretty strong in the upper rpm range of 3rd & 4th with out of the box jetting. The RPM Air Gap manifold is definitely an improvement over the old Torker II.

Can't wait for better weather and a free day to nothing but test and tune!

I figured you had it! I went through multiple methods when we were racing stock cars. It was tough because we had to run restriction plates and the vacuum signal was very strong above the plate. You're on it man keep having fun! :thumbsup:

Sieg 02-04-2013 12:42 PM

Fired it up yesterday in an attempt to fine tune the fuel screws and max the idle vacuum. Notice the linkage was binding and restricting low speed idle adjustment range (950 rpm and lower), resolved that by bending the throttle rod, then checked the range on each fuel screw and balanced, rechecked range, but it just isn't acting right. Vague input response may best describe it. Based on pressure readings when I started this mess it was a consistent 5 psi while idling, yesterday it was showing 3.5 psi at 1K rpm so the old Holley pump may be failing......epic timing. :headscratch: Ordered a new fuel pump last night to eliminate pressure concerns. Holley mechanical that (per Holley) doesn't require a regulator and delivers 6.5-8 psi max and 110 gph.

GregWeld 02-04-2013 01:07 PM

Old pumps and new fuel.....


Good to replace it and ANY old rubber fuel line. Had one buddy chasing a fueling issue - replaced pump TWICE -- turns out the insides of the 50 year old factory rubber lines (that connected the steel lines) had failed and was acting like a check valve.

Any more - I only use PTFE lined braided if I need a wobble point.

GregWeld 02-04-2013 01:11 PM

BTW - I'm no carb guy -- but I thought that the air bleeds (not to be confused with idle fuel adjustment screws) were there to overcome big azz cams that just couldn't be tamed with the idle screws. Since we know that carbs work via vacuum (actually low pressure in the ventures) -- any source of vacuum (air) leak is going cause you to have to fatten the idle screws and is going to also cause a higher idle.

Might just try to plug them temporarily and see what happens to the response and idle adjustment??

Sieg 02-04-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 462351)
Old pumps and new fuel.....


Good to replace it and ANY old rubber fuel line. Had one buddy chasing a fueling issue - replaced pump TWICE -- turns out the insides of the 50 year old factory rubber lines (that connected the steel lines) had failed and was acting like a check valve.

Any more - I only use PTFE lined braided if I need a wobble point.

E10 may have finally gotten to it, we'll see.

There's no OEM rubber on it, the tank to hard line is the oldest, I just replaced the rubber line between the fuel pump and hard line which was installed at the same time and it appeared OK just a little hardened.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 462353)
BTW - I'm no carb guy -- but I thought that the air bleeds (not to be confused with idle fuel adjustment screws) were there to overcome big azz cams that just couldn't be tamed with the idle screws. Since we know that carbs work via vacuum (actually low pressure in the ventures) -- any source of vacuum (air) leak is going cause you to have to fatten the idle screws and is going to also cause a higher idle.

Might just try to plug them temporarily and see what happens to the response and idle adjustment??

The only vac leak I know of would be from the baseplate and spacer and I checked those surfaces with a straight edge. This carb has no vac ports. PCV and gauge vacuum come off the intake manifold behind the carb.

The idle bypass valve is what I don't have a good feel for yet. Holley tech said the there's no relationship between fuel screws and this circuit? But when you open up that valve it creates a lean idle similar to a vacuum leak.

Being patient......should have the pump in two days.

Yes...........Fast EZ-efi would be nice but way too simple and............:G-Dub:

GregWeld 02-04-2013 05:10 PM

When I say vacuum leak. I mean ANYWHERE air is allowed into the engine. I don't just mean a bad seal.... The air bleeds are technically a "controlled" vacuum leak... As is a PCV etc.


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