You follow me on Lat-G (better than following me on Facebook I guess).... Awww shucks, thanks... looks like I have a fan already...

But hey... whether your name is Chetly or Basher.... If the shoe fits.... mmm wear it? :action-smiley-027:

In all seriousness, Greg is a generous guy and you're one of countless lost souls who have been the recipient of his giving. I am on that team. I just don't kiss his azz that bad.

:computer:

:cheers:

Yes please do share Lance.

How te hell did I get dragged into this ****, I'm not President of Greg Weld fan club... Greg Weld is the president of the Greg Weld fan club...

Now there's a man who knows what he is talking about! :lol:

:cheers:

Truth... With the ego, he's 6'4". It's no wonder he and Gaetano haven't swapped spots on the track yet. hahahahahaha

Welds car
 

Would also like feedback on the garmin
Almost bought a gopro hero 3 motorsports
last week. Wish I had something as my head
keeps replaying thunderhill

Panteracer

I was rereading through the thread trying to ID some parts Greg pawned off on me....Todd, I think you nailed it, or at least part of it. When I took the parts up to the machine shop to have Rick look them over, the valves are what caught his attention. He noticed the amount of heat or heat cycles and asked if it had an oiling issue. Surface of the valves looks fine, the heat marks are on the stem just down from the valve.
Everything else looks good, well besides the broken rocker. Turns out the pistons are huge and won't fit in a stock block.....I'm working on an aluminum and titanium wind chime with the spares.

:cheers:
Dan

I agree --- low oil pressure and high operating RPM's.... not a good mix. The new motor has far better oil pressure - SOUNDS better - runs stronger (despite the slightly lower peak HP numbers - that's a different dyno issue). While on the surface of things you wouldn't think the valves would be directly affected by the lower oil PRESSURE (provided there is VOLUME)... the oiling thru the rockers and flowing down the valve stem would be cooling them as well as keeping them oiled.

The only thing that was reused was the crank and the block and the head casting. EVERYTHING else is brand new. Those titanium valves are over the top expensive BTW! And there's a lot of them! LOL

After having the motor back to the SAME builder and having the SAME exact issue time after time (Valve train failures) -- it went to someone with a fresh set of eyeballs (Borello Racing Engines). I now have more invested in rebuilds than I paid for the little Yellow Lemon to begin with.

The part that always bugged me the most - is that my buddies all are running event after event and NEVER having any motor issues... and here I am with the highest dollar motor and I can't make a weekend without a rebuild! That's BS in my book! Hopefully that's all behind us now. The little Lemon FLIES now!

What did you want for FREE -- your money back?? LOL

Now where have I heard that before? LOL Wiser words have never been said...

Oh yeah.... WE have had this conversation haven't we.... LOL


When I give parts away - it always comes with a caveat. Use what you want or can, and if you can't - I don't give a sh!t - sell 'em or toss 'em.


Having said all of that -- there are two things I never want to read about on Lat G again.

1) Any kind of CHARITY build

2) Any "free" work of any kind

Neither of the above EVER turn out well for anyone.

One of the best engine builders in the country taught me that little nugget. Jason Pettis

And we're sure that will come in handy while you're tooling along in your Audi....



Oh I'm rotten to the core!! LOL

BMW :warning: :lol:

Look at my son's website -- www.Enlaes.com you must need to buy some killer carbon fiber for it!! LOL

Wait a minute, I thought I was doing you a favor hauling off a bunch of old greasy parts! Something about a packed shop and living in a condo...besides I gave you some lunch money for the old wheels. :lol:

I'm learning about all this stuff and after talking with Rick and rereading through the thread, I thought I'd share.

Funny, it all started with a well built vintage track car.....:lmao:

Done...

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=47948

I spent the lunch money on one tank of fuel for the rig.... thanks! The tires and wheels I KNEW were good usuable parts... Charely and Chet would have bought them for twice what you paid. LOL I'd have never seen the actual cash though... so better a bird in the hand.

The other parts were just throw aways for me so thanks for saving me a trip to my 3 cubic yard dumpster.

Rick no doubt saw the titanium valves - did a quick calc of 16 X's $150 each - and out of his mouth came the words "these are junk I'll just throw them away for you". Ditto the shaft roller rockers... and the Oliver rods. hahahahahahahaha

None of which is useful unless it fits a motor you're building. I'd have used all that stuff for decorating my next table or stand... Although it would be cool to have an Oliver rod for a TIG torch holder!

In all serioiusness -- the valves are most likely junk... particularly if you wanted to build a max effort motor. I wasn't willing to reuse any of it given the problems I've had... and for me it's cheaper to just buy new than to further risk another rebuild at 15K a pop. This way the new motor builder (Borello) has his hands in every facet of the build.

I really just hope you can use the Wilwood brakes without too much hassle or cost. You're the only other guy on the planet that's building something that isn't a 69 Camaro.

All the motor parts will get put to use, either in the 331 or as yard art...I'm all about recycling! I asked you about the heads because the Jesel rockers are offset and only fit certain heads, still looking into that.

I'm pretty stoked on the brakes, the car already had disc on the front from SSBC, Granada style I think. The BAER set up, front and rear not only look cool but will no doubt work mo better. Still trying to figure out some of the other "stuff"....

:thumbsup:
Dan

Come on Bash... let's see this car..... need to even out the imbalance of Camaros around here. :rules:

I said I'd never do a build thread, well I lied. I'll figure out the picture posting deal and start something once the wife decides she's done driving it for the year. I'm mechanical but really have no idea what I'm doing. :rolleyes:
Besides the crap from Weld, I've collected or already installed quite a bit for this winters make over. I'll tell ya now, the goal isn't to build anything fancy. Just a bunch of solid parts that work well....I hope.

And since this is a RACE CAR thread and not the "parts bin".... A couple of the said Yellow Lemon... and I think even Charley would have to admit the new look is okay! LOL


And yes ---- thanks to Jack Maurer being the super anal guy that he is -- the body is pretty damn nice for a "track car". This isn't a Pro Touring car -- it's nothing but a track car. God bless Jack for building it and Charley for giving it away!






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Nice floor.

If I was in to diamonds - I'd have THEM polished.

I was texting with Ron Sutton about some stuff ---- and I told him --- "I sure wish people could have lined up and driven the car before and after".

You just can't even imagine the improvements he's made to the car. The math doesn't work out - but I think I have TWICE as much brake -- and the difference is that I can go charging up to a corner and then apply the brakes SOFTLY and the car just responds by decreasing speed instantly... and the "dive" (might be the wrong word choice) just plants the front tires for initial turn in... I roll thru the turn and there's no lean... but it's not hard or jouncing around... There are videos on this forum that show cars that are so F'n stiff and they just loose grip instantly and are "twitchy". Trust me -- I don't want to drive ANY cars like that at speed! With Ron's secret sauce springs and shock combo - the car doesn't roll over - but it's compliant at the same time... Roll back into the gas and the car just digs and moves forward -- no drama... no squatting... no torque steer input. Just shoots forward. It's like the Lotus on steroids. The Lotus lacks torque. It CARRIES speed if you let it... and the braking is the best in any car I've ever driven -- until I got the new improved Ron Sauce Mustang.

Damn mighty fine fastback you got there Weld!!! It just keeps lookin better and better, lets just hope it holds up better and better....see you out there in March/May. Well i'll see you at SEMA too, but i'll just wave...

:confused59: :sieg:

That's even more wrong than what Sieg said because Sieg is just such a confused man... He struggles... but not as much as you do with diaper pins! LOL

:lmao:

The mustang looks BA, did anyone buff the paint? The paint looks pretty nice for a race car that just came from a track day.

It's like buying carbon fiber for a tank. Cool site and some killer stuff!

Dude..........you're dating yourself now, diapers have had 'velcro' tabs for how long now? Which is a good thing cuz Davey would bleed out before he got the 'safety' pins in. :lol:

No, Sieg... you're dating Weld. He's been courting you on these weekend getaways now for awhile.... just say yes already, will ya?!

Well it's a........Nope......I ain't gonna say it. :angel:

At our last autox event last Sunday, a long time autocrosser comes up and we start talking about my car. "Man that thing really looks good out there on the course, what springs are you running?" So I tell him and he looks at me with disbelieve and says "Just imagine how it would run like if you put stiffer front and rear springs in it, man it would really fly"...

The conversation ended pretty quickly after that. :D

Even after seeing in person how a Ron Sauce setup can make a big car handle an autox, they still can't admit that setup works better than the old go-cart stiff no travel setups that they've used forever.

There are others out there though, that have ridden in the car pre and post Ron Sauce and they listen intently when I'm answering their questions about the car...and I can see the wheels turning in their head as I'm talking. :rules:

We haven't met have we..... LOL


In my view of the world there are two kinds of car guys. Greasers and waxers. I'm a greaser. Bugs are a badge of honor. The most "waxing" I do on any of my cars is quick detailer spray... and that's only because I can't stand dirt. Has NOTHING to do with shine. Actually - after the crew at Brizio watched me clean up the '33 -- they asked me not to even do that.

The Little Yellow Lemon has a very nice show quality paint job on it. All I have to do is dust it once in awhile.

I think the first thing to do is to acknowledge that we as "hot rodders" and part time "wannabe racers" - is that we know NOTHING about suspension or brakes.

Installing some parts on a car doesn't make us "knowledgeable". Buying parts off a shelf or from a catalog doesn't make us "knowledgeable". Copying what someone else did, or has done, doesn't make us "knowledgeable". RON SUTTON?? He has real actual knowledge! When we get all done... I'd like to be able to comprehend 10% of what he knows. The beauty of working with him is that he not only can find and fix what's wrong - or make what's right - better... he is willing to discuss what he's doing, and why, so that you'll learn from it.

I will tell you what "I" have learned so far. That all of these parts we buy -- they all have interactions with all the other parts and the car as a whole! And it's more about having a plan - and doing some mental work - and having a real understanding of all the inter-related actions that makes the most difference. Just buying the most expensive triple adjustable shocks might make you feel better mentally - but if it's the wrong one or set up wrong... you just wasted your money. Kind of like investing but picking the wrong companies... That's not investing - that's just throwing money around so you can say you're "invested". If the investments don't work for you what's the point?!?! LOL

I'm smart enough (barely) to realize that Ron's depth of knowledge in this field is akin to my knowledge in the investing world. The small amount that I share in the Investing 102 thread only scratches the surface. Ron shares a percentage of his knowledge via posts... but there's no way you're going to be able to read that and go straight to the winners circle. What that insight should do for people is to show them how little they know and how much there is to be gained by engaging a pro like Ron. He's the best part I've ever bought.

To me - it's like discussing a motor build with a guy that just saw the biggest lift and most duration on a cam and THAT'S the one for him!! What an idiot. He doesn't realize that he just bled off all the compression in his 9:1 motor.... not to mention the spring bind and on and on.

Funny how many guys will spend 35 grand on a huge HP motor and then just buy a bunch of parts for their suspension... toss 'em on and think that's the hot ticket. It's kinda like putting expensive paint on an unblocked body - you just wind up with a crappy paint job.

Gregs track car
 

Greg,
I understand what a person can learn from Ron but I really think the
hard part is being a good enough driver to really understand that
it is working. I drove my firebird for almost three years straight with
ok suspension, bad ball joints etc.. I adjusted to what the car could do
Later we fixed some things, change some spring rates and it was much
better...trust me I won a lot of events with the car autocrossing but
really did not change much at first. Now I have coil overs (in front) double
adjustable shocks, new springs and it is better yet. I am making some more changes and need time
in the car but not sure I am smart enough to say it is finally handling
the best.. I guess if you start out right with someone like Ron's setup
and then start to tweak it...

My Can Am buddy hired an expert for a few races... we changed
some settings one way then went the other way and searched for
what is the best.. car time for that car is very limited... I used to
run against guys that ran 46 weekends a year.. now that is seat
time.. I always told my buddies when you and the car become one
then you know you are fast...having two completely different
cars does not help...

I guess changing things is what we need to do even if we think
it is good because it can always be better

Years ago in ESP "my old scca class" a guy from Socal came up for a
National event.. I was just starting and had not qualified for the event.
His car had 33 spring changes that year.. it was a pro solo
so they qualify and he was #1... end of the day before the
main event the next day he is under the car changing the rear sway bar
Car was the fastest but not good enough for him... driver knew...
most of us would have said we are good to go

I am hoping to learn how to tune my suspension and from what
I am thinking changing it back and forth is the only way to find out??

Panteracer

I travel TWO days to an event - TWO days back home.... I have two days of driving and I might get 4 or 5 20 minutes sessions in on a Saturday... 3 maybe 4 on a Sunday. An event WEEKEND is a WEEK for me.... By the time I load all the stuff up - shop for groceries - water up and fuel up and get everything squared away and unpacked on the return --- it's pushing 8 days.... The reward is a few minutes behind the wheel.

Sorry -- THE LAST THING I want to do is be under the f'n car in between sessions. Now -- I maybe run 3 or maybe 4 events per year. Life is short - I don't have the time in the seat to be able to figure out all the nuances of what the car is doing --- and then want to go back to the pits to wrench of stuff. I could spend years doing this and gain 10% of Ron's knowledge and a considerable amount of FRUSTRATION in between.

THAT IS WHY I HIRED RON SUTTON.... so that we can get the car(s) dialed in quickly and efficiently and then just be able to consistently have a good solid session time after time. I know exactly what the car is going to drive like - I know exactly what the tire pressures should be set to. And I go out and have a blast.

We're not RACING... these are track days. They're FUN days... Nobody is keeping score except Gaetano.

My goal for the cars and thus the addition of Ron Sutton is to make the cars more predictable and fun. With that Ron Sauce - they've become faster... but that's not my goal that's just a side benefit.

I didn't even know the Mustang handled poorly and would have kept driving it just the way it was... like you say - I'd adjust to the car. It just wasn't that much fun. Now it is. Now I can't wait to get behind the wheel. That was my only goal. So far it's been met and exceeded.

That's one way to do it Bob, and the way most will do it. I think the more Ron is involved on the hobby side of things and the more people he helps, it may become clear that hiring a professional is another tool in the toolbox.

Talk to the guys that have run some Optima events and had one of the more experienced drivers ride with them, I guarantee they learned something about getting the car to work better. It's no different.

Did Greg need to hire Ron? Uh ya, Charlie sold him a beater that needed to be gone through. Now he has a car that all he needs to do is fuel it, check the air pressure than go out and run it for 15-20 minutes and replace the motor!:lmao:

DBASHER