We currently have both frames, they both a real nice. So far only driven the DSE frame. It performs nicely but I think the base level coilovers are just not enough . Honestly my speed 3 kit I had in Fuel was excellent also . I cant tell a diff on the street at all between the new and what I had.

Now the ART frame is so badass looking . Everyone that has been through the shop says "wow they are both nice but I would go with one with the Vette arms " why? It just looks better.

Basically looks is the answer here. Both cars are running 10" wheels , one has 6.125 bs and the other 7 3/8. Not much difference here.

Both are very nice .

Hello Datsbad... wish you would step in little bit sooner:unibrow: I would saved few bucks going on speed 3 kit!!!!

Frank made me a good deal offering free shipping and i send the money allready for new sub.

As soon as i hear from Frank and my freight forwarder i could post my first "update pic" !!!!!!!!!

Now, maybe it's just the engineering background in me coming out, but something really bothers me about choosing one or the other of these because "it just looks better". Looks are a subjective thing, of course, and if all the further you intend to push your car is some brisk on-ramps and some backroad corners 15 MPH over posted, I suppose looks might be as good a criteria as any. But partly because my previous post encouraged the overall "one is as good as the other" gist of this thread, I feel like I ought now to stress that there may be very real differences in these products, and there are questions you can ask to get a feel for these differences.

The kinds of questions to ask break down into three categories: What were your design goals? What are the tradeoffs and decisions you made to achieve those goals? How much real world validation of your product have you made to ensure it reaches those goals?

To ask intelligent questions, you first have to have specific ideas in mind yourself about how the car will be used. If you're never going to put in on the track for an HPDE events (and if not, you're really missing something!), then your criteria for ultimate roadholding and adjustability need not be nearly as high. On the other hand, ultimate track fanatics will want to know what track testing (they did do a lot of track testing, right?) has revealed about the range of optimum setups for this subframe. Another thing to consider is the match of your chosen sub/suspension to your intended rear suspension. Will your rear suspension match the front in terms of damping ratios, roll vs. bump stiffness, roll center, and anti-squat/anti-dive goals? What problems will occur if it doesn't? Did the vendor emphasize weight reduction first, torsional rigidity first, or some balance between the two (or was that tradeoff never intentionally made)? Have they done FEA on their products, and what does that analysis reveal about the torsional rigidity of their product vs. the stock subframe? Why did DSE choose fabricated control arms, and Morrison stock 'Vette arms? And so on.

I think, in this case, we have two vendors who are respected, respectable, and successful. Neither wants, at least in a public forum, to get into an "ours is better than yours" p***ing match, particularly because real facts are usually obscured in such a debate anyway, and ultimately there is damage to the reputation of both. So it falls to us, as consumers, to push hard enough to get enough answers to make rational decisions. Which is not to say that in the end, it still might be a coin toss for you.

Cheers,

Scott

Scott i highly agree with you.

And i think i have pretty good resons to go with aftermarket sub. Heres goes;

I need oilpan clearance because i want to use drysump engine with stock pan. Therefore the front steer is a must. My first plan was to use DSE speed 3 kit, unisteer or BRP rack an pinion and ATS spindles to mount my C6 brakes easily.

After reading many posts and talking to Steve(streetfytr68)
- who has actually ride many camaros with stock modified and aftermarket subs and doing the math ( dse speed kit+ats parts+steering kit + labour ) It was pretty clear to me i NEED new sub. And one of the most important reason was, i want wide fronts because i am going to drive my car hard and need the brakes. Not just 245s wich i can lock easily.

I hope you find my reasons far a way from "just because its cool" category.

:cheers:

Scott,
I totally agree. Choosing expensive aftermarket parts for your vehicle based on cosmetic reasons is foolish.

But I feel this is a different case. Take two subframes, DSE and ours (which are in question here). Both of these subframes are VERY well engineered (like Craig always says, I may be a bit biased...). But really, they are engineered and designed by people who know what works and what needs to be done for these vehicles to handle well. The performance between the two is nil and will make any customer happy. The only difference: looks. That's it. Seriously.

You can't go wrong with either subframe!

im planning on getting a dse quadra link for sure... now yearone has a good holiday sale 20% off and then 10% off if you order over 1g. They carry the dse subframe. After the discounts the price comes down to 4680. Thats a savings of $1820. A pretty good chunk of change. Im nowhere near ready for the new front clip but thats a hell of a deal.

Should I jump on it or go with an AME clip when Im ready for it? I dont see myself shelling out the normal price of 6500 for the DSE frame in the future when Im ready for it. Is mixing AME front clip and DSE q-link no good for handling characteristics?

Yearone discounts are only for there stocked items. Starts @ 10%, over $500 extra 5%, over $1000.00 extra 10%. For a total of up to 20% off, does not include special orders.. Tried to order a Quadra-Link myself>>

Go with the AM frame for Sure!

this is a holiday sale promo code. its 20% and then 10% more when you order over 1g. I called up a rep and asked if the subframe applied and he said no but then he said he was gonna check... 2 minutes later he said i could apply it... im not gonna argue with him ha.. so discounted DSE or AM? assuming quadra link rear already..

Soon as I saw your post this evening I called also since that is WAY under distributor pricing by HUNDREDS of dollars. I got the same thing but when I tried to pay it was rejected.