I never had problems bleeding my Wilwoods.. or with the nipples breaking off.. hmm

Also, what Baers are you comparing to what Wilwoods? The 6-piston Wilwood kits are very high quality and equal to if not better to Baer (not counting the Alcon stuff).. the only quality issue ive had with Wilwood was bolts getting surface rust.

Again, for racing are you comparing the 2 piston PBR Baer stuff or the Alcon stuff? I haven't heard anything about their new 6 piston "budget" caliper. The brakes on Johnny's Camaro (Baer touring?) sure do work well though..

:eek: Woah! :eek:

dig the brand name of the product......kinda says it all eh?

Hi Steve. The ones that we used were the Wilwood 4 piston set. And the Baer was the PBR's. I have a little idea how the 6 piston wilwoods are, but only in driving down the street and on mountain roads, but not all out racing. The 4 piston ones were problematic for bleeding and the nipples are very small in diameter and did break off at times so we drilled them out and installed new ones. I'm sure the 6 pistons would be better, but I would rather go with Bear's on just quality control alone, but they cannot keep up with demand so that's another issue. One question for you Steve, was your color choice for your 69, can you send me the color code combo for your 69? I love that color and want to go with the same.

Thanks
Mike

Let me throw this into the mix... the new C6 Z06 calipers apparently bolt onto C5 spindles, so anyone who has done a C5 conversion (or has purchased spindles/brakes that use the C5 PBR calipers) can use the new 6-piston C6 Z06 calipers. Cost at the dealer is apparently just under $300/each for the Z06 calipers. That's a heck of a deal in my opinion. You can also pick up the 4-piston Brembo calipers used on the Caddy CTS-V for about $175/each, again a heck of a deal in my opinion. Just have to fab your own mounting bracket.

As mentioned though, with fixed calipers pad knock-back can become a concern, especially with very hard usage or R-compound tires or if the stock spindle is simply too flimsy. It can be very unnerving diving into a turn and have the brake pedal hit the floor. For an example, a friend of mine has a 2004 Subaru STI that experiences this issue under very hard driving and it is VERY unsettling the first time or if you forget to pump the brakes before *really* needing them; part of the fix for the 2005 cars was a revised/larger wheel bearing pack that reduces flex and therefore pad knockback; I have an 05 and don't have the problems that his 04 has. A floating caliper will be better in this regard, but a floating caliper will give up stiffness and "feel" compared to a good fixed caliper. Again, it's a bunch of tradeoffs and design choices you have to weigh.

I've had very good luck with my Baer Track system so far (old style PBR's) under street and hard backroad driving, but I can't comment on their trackworthiness. My hunch is they'll show their limitations under prolonged use. About as much abuse as my brakes have seen is 4 hard stops from 160 down to 35 or so over the span of 2 minutes. They still worked very well, even on the last stop, however I didn't continue to beat on them for another 10-15 minutes as I would in a typical track session. A friend baked the seals on the PBR's on his '69 Camaro after a track session at Thunderhill, but that's mostly because he didn't take a cool down lap and parked the car; the heat-soaked rotors just melted the poor seals away once the airflow stopped. That's more of "operator error" though rather than poor quality brakes. Oops.

Troy

I had a little knockback on my 2000 SS but a little tap on the brake before the corner took care of it.

The think with Baer is that they don't make their calipers.. they are just PBR's so it is hard to compare thier "quality control" with Wilwoods. I have never ran thier 4 pistons on the front but I will check them out closer next time I get the chance. Thanks for the info..

My '69 was 2003 WRX blue pearl. The stripes are Nissan (2003) Silverstone used on the 350Z's and the Infinity G35's :)

Hey Steve thank you so much for that info. Ill send the info to my painters this week and give you the credit on my lateral g page when the car is done. Yeah the PBR still is a little heavy but it's good stuff. When I take the ZZ430 motor out and put in the LS7 motor I might at that time go with the 6 piston billet Baer's. I held one the other day and it was a serious piece of hardware.

Thanks again
Mike

Don't forget the new 6-piston Z06 calipers I mentioned earlier. Not knocking the Baer 6S's (they're nice calipers, basically the same as the Alcon 6 pistons but machined by Baer) but the C6-Z06 calipers are cheaper and being an OEM-application (although somewhat low production) pads should be easier/cheaper to come by. They are also excellent calipers.

I would wait a while until reading some feedback about the new Z06 calipers before dropping the change on the Baer 6S calipers; my hunch is that you'll be able to produce an excellent braking system (on par with or even exceeding the Baer 6S) for substantially less money.

Troy

How long until Z06 calipers will be available? And were would I be able to find them? Thanks.

Anthony

I reckon you'll be able to order them from a Chevy dealers parts dept.

You're right, but there is always that "bling bling" factor. :yes: