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ProdigyCustoms 07-01-2009 04:52 PM

That is a PPG customs color, I will have to get the name, But it is a 3 stage candy. Super expensive.

ProdigyCustoms 07-01-2009 09:34 PM

OK, so yesterday I mentioned a very important HUGE 11th hour change to the Bull Run car. A while back we discovered Wegner Motorsports front drive system and became a dealer for their full product line including engines and accessories. We were talking with Wegner about running their really cool accessories drive on the Bull Run Racer. Wegner makes one of the coolest LSX front drive systems out there. A system designed to run high RPMs for extended periods of time. These front drive set ups are a smokin deal, priced like less expensive systems and built to the highest quality of the most expensive systems out there. We were ordering the front drive for the Bull Run Racer. So during the conversation about the front drive, the conversation about the project and what engine we are going to run came up.

Carl Wegner got on the phone and quizzed me on our set up and had some questions about the durability of the engine in a car racing 3000 miles across the country. Carl thought we should consider a little more motor then just a stock engine with a cam. Sure we could make some good power, but what would happen if the ring lands on factory Hypertectic pistons decided they were tired of running extended high RPMS? What if the stock crank got tired of 30 to 50 hours of abuse in a short period of time? And how are we going to hand some Lambo his ass with only 475HP to 500HP we were planning. Now if you don't know who Carl Wegner and Wegner Motorsports is, I will tell you. Carl has been building Nascar and endurance racing engines longer then most of us have been breathing. Carl is used to building engines that run 300 to 500 miles at wide open throttle. Carl knows about building engines that will survive in a endurance contest, and that is what Bull Run can be.

So when Carl speaks, I have listen. So next thing I know there is a motor being assembled in record time, and that motor is on a airplane heading to Florida. Stuffed with goodies, this engine is built with a lot of the same technology that goes into there Nascar Spec engines, except de tuned a bit. Compression has been lowered in case we get into some crappy low octane fuel. We are using a automatic transmission and big tight converter to control transmission heat at extended high RPM's, so a very mild camshaft was used to increase low end torque and bring the power range down a bit for more bottom end grunt. The motor still made 601HP and still turned 6900 RPM, but all that is done with technology learned from their Nascar program. So Wegner can make killer power without crazy compression and cam specs! There are tricks inside the motor I need to keep to myself, and more tricks I do not know. But let's just say there are a few exotic parts made of titanium inside, an some custom porting of this and that to help make 600HP with a little baby camshaft and mild compression less then 10:1.

We got our 415CI / 601HP beast today and had it in the car within minutes of unloading it off the Fed Ex truck. As we speak we are finished hooking up the wiring from our good friends at Street and Performance, and getting it ready to fire tomorrow. My celebrity tuner and great friend Mike Norris paid a visit today to look things over, and will save us yet again doing extended hours tomorrow night doing some base tuning before doing some full rear wheel dyno tuning over the weekend.

I cannot thank the guys at Wegner enough. They really have jumped through hoops and have over delivered in every way imaginable. This is a pretty big company with a lot going on and you would swear on our end this was the only thing they had to think about! I have done 100s of motors in 28 years of owning my own shop, and NEVER , EVER have I dealt with guys that were so concerned about our project, and what is best for our project. We have talked 10 times a day for the last couple weeks, Carl or Casey calling, "Frank, Ya know....I was thinking................" And every single thought, every single suggestion, is a good one.

Carl, Casey, and your entire team, you my friends are amazing!

Here is a little dyno video, the dyno sheet, and some pics getting installed.

Excited...............Oh man am I excited!

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...s/DSC_0102.jpg
Michael unloads after a little cross country trip.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC_0109-1.jpg
There it is, there it is! Pay no attention to the multi colored pulleys, all black are on the way. This was a dyno set to get us running quick. A easy swap of the pulley Monday.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...K014Black2.jpg
A better shot of the awesomer front drive on another engine

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC_0122-1.jpg
1 hour after hitting the ground Michael and crew are locking it down

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...noSheetJPG.jpg
The dyno sheet is a impressive combination of low end torque, a stunning flat torque curve maintaining 480LBFT or more from the start of the run to peak HP, peaking at 525LBFT. And what a amazing peak HP curve maintining 585HP from 6000RPM, Peaking at 6600RPM to 6800RPM and maintaining 588HP though the 7200RPM cut of! Find a motor that does that!

Enjoy the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUpiD4Gf-MU

Oh man this is going to be some kind of fun!

More to come tomorrow

Van B 07-01-2009 09:56 PM

Awesome news Frank. Casey said that my posts might have had something to do with you going to them. Carl has been a good friend to my dad for probably 35 years now. I wish I could do more to help them get some more biz.

I guess I better get off my butt and start posting some progress on my project.

ProdigyCustoms 07-01-2009 10:28 PM

Your name has come up more then once Jeff! They think very highly of you. The Wegners and I have become great friends very quickly. But they make that very easy!

As far as genrating more business for them. I am their bigggest fan! love their products. There will be more Wegner engines going in my projects.

7TSS 07-01-2009 10:54 PM

Frank, your crew makes it look too easy!! :hail:

I'm glad I went with the Wegner accessory drive; looks killer. :thumbsup:

Now you got me drooling over the new engine setup....hmmmmmm :willy:

Viperlover 07-01-2009 11:05 PM

glowing headers too! badass engine

Tom.A 07-02-2009 01:13 AM

Looks great. Frank any chance of getting a picture of clearance on the steering box? I ran into a snag tonight on mine but I am using the vette acc.
It looks like the Wegner snugs the engine better.

ProdigyCustoms 07-02-2009 07:15 AM

Hey Tom, there are 2 mounting positions for the PS pump. In the low position (where we are running, as in these pictures) we swapped the reservoir pump and are running a remote reservoir pump. But we could have moved it to the higher mounting location, used the reservoir pump and easily cleared our DSE 600 box.

If you want one these front drives let me know. I will hook you up. I am going to announce a little "Bull Run Special" on Wegner products including the front drives and everything else they make.

tellyv 07-02-2009 11:04 AM

Glad that Carl and the boys could help you out there a class act and build some awsome stuff. Thanks for the time on the phone, I think I know what direction I'm going now!!!! telly

tones2SS 07-02-2009 11:23 AM

Very cool.
I hear nothing but good things about Wegner. Are these the same guys that "specialize" in LSx engines as well?
Keep us posted Frank!:thumbsup:


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