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Originally Posted by Bowtieracing (Post 210501)

I love facts as well... And simple fact is ; more guns you have , more shootings you have. It has nothing to do how many people live in california. I guess there little bit more people in Europe.. and no problems with guns at all. That is a fact.

Switzerland still part of Europe, or did you guys kick them out?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

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Originally Posted by Marine71 (Post 210918)

Originally Posted by Bowtieracing
I love facts as well... And simple fact is ; more guns you have , more shootings you have. It has nothing to do how many people live in california. I guess there little bit more people in Europe.. and no problems with guns at all. That is a fact.

"I say this respectfully and mean no disrespect" Ill have to disagree with this statement.I know what you are trying to say but i think it is to broad of a statment. You have to look at who are the "shooters" are. Regardless of what state you are in.Look at the state of Montana. LOts of people have guns there. DOn't hear to much about that. How about Texas? Same thing... Just because you have alot of guns doesn't mean you are going to have alot of shootings. In reference to Europe .Europe has seen their fair share of shootings, Some seriously bad ones. Alot of blame goes to the media and what they report also. The laws in Europe are more strict and are more strongly enforced. We have DA's all around the country here that always wanna make a deal.The next thing you know BAM! they are on probation and back out. This is a fact! I have seen it. There is a Town in Utah that requires you to own a gun to live in it. Ask how many shootings they have? None...Majority of shootings occur in low income areas where people have no money. Most of them are stolen guns. When their are guns in these area there are drugs. Look at the FBI and your local PD statistics.

I've done a few rides with the Las Vegas Metro Police Department and one thing that struck me as odd is the amount of and type of paper work an officer has to do. Mainly the fact that if the officer doesn't do things perfect the DA throws it out, considering it a waste of their time. Basically the DA is looking for the easy cases where most everything is done for them. I was also amazed how all the officers I rode with where on a first name basis with some of the thugs due to arresting them so many times. I'll tell you I have more respect for police officers after seeing what they deal with and go through on a daily basis. For anyone that doesn't feel it necessary to own a fire arm (and know how to use it through proper training) I would invite you to do a ride with the police department. Go at night and in the worst part of town. To chicken....sit in with a 911 call taker and listen to the calls that come in all night. Educate your self and see the reality. Maybe then we can all push to get the laws enforced, punishment served and put a stop to needless violence.

One last tid bit....if you think the cops are going to arrive to save the day just in the nick of time when that bad guy comes calling, you are sadly mistaken. Don't get me wrong they would love to be there and take care of things, but the reality is that they are busy fighting criminals in those places you avoid. The old saying of "It's better to have a gun in the hand than a cop on the phone" is true in a lot of ways. It is sad and I look forward to a time when I don't feel it necessary to have my guard up all the time.

People....don't be sheep.

Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

My arsenal is stocked and ready to go! I can promise you that I won't wait on a cop to get to my house. Business will be taken care of especially when it comes to protecting my family. Don't get me wrong, I don't ever want to be put in a situation like that, but I can promise you that 911 will be called AFTER the damage is done if I am.

The problem is this pathetic judicial system we have. It's pitiful and only getting worse. We'd rather slap someone on the hand than serve them rightful justice. Most of these criminals have a better lifestyle in prison than they did at home! Here's an idea. Cut out the a/c, 7 course meals, and all other privelages these thugs get from our tax dollars and treat them like they treated others.

We live in a CLUE IMPAIRED society and if Americans don't wake up pretty soon our poor children will never see the real beauty of this "once great" country. All they'll see is they're freakin' paychecks taken from them from this bonehead government along with their freedom. WAKE UP AMERICA! It's slowly happening before your very eyes!

Whew, I feel better now! Sorry, but I just really get worked up over the direction this country is headed.

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Originally Posted by ItDoRun (Post 211033)

One little piece of advice. Call 911 and report as much as you can before you pull the trigger. Make sure you are very verbal with warnings to the individual you are about to shoot. Nothing says this has to be a long drawn out process. Just do it so it's all on the 911 tape. You called for help, you warned your attacker and you defended your self and your family and it's all on tape. That will come in handy if you end up in court.

Other than that you are spot on! :thumbsup:

The sad part is that if you shot someone in your home (say in the leg b/c you didn't want to kill them) our lovely legal sytem would make sure that the guy you shot was living in your home the when he got out of the hospital.

I hope I'm never put in that situation, really!

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Originally Posted by ItDoRun (Post 211122)

That's why it doesn't pay to "shoot to wound".. if you have to shoot then do it to kill. If you don't have to kill then don't shoot.

The 911 deal is a good back-up.. give warnings, sound scared and be sure to empty the weapon into the assailant ;)

Expecting a carjacker or rapist or drug pusher to care that his possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces.

Criminals are counting on the fact that their victim is unarmed. No one likes to be shot at, especially criminals, so they like to prey on the helpless. If law abiding citizens are allowed to play with criminals on a level playing field crime rates would drop so fast it would make your head spin. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -Ben Franklin

I carried a firearm daily in Vegas. I've seen some bad things go down there, beatings, stabbings, robbery etc. I've never seen a police officer arrive in time to prevent any of those things, and every victim was unarmed. I wonder what would have happened if every victim was armed? Maybe something like this?

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19365762/detail.html

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Originally Posted by Kickass Newspaper reporting Kickass news

College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 9:09 am EDT May 7, 2009

COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.

Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.

“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.

Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.

The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.

“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.

A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.

“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.

The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.

Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.

“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.

One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.

Here is a full thread of these type of stories:
http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233

Tyler

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Originally Posted by Marine71 (Post 211071)

All this gun talk makes me want to shoot the sprinkler huh Curtis .hahahaahh. We should invite mr Bowtie. Wait....there will be lots of guns....Oh no,,,!!!!hahahahahahahaah

After all the paper work I've been doing I think "The Sprinkler" would be the perfect way to blow off a little steam. :thumbsup: