I wasn't excited that it was from China - not sure what I'd have to do for replacement parts, say, 15 years from now, but it's been a great tool. I've used it vertically a number ot times, it's on the clumsy side as you work over the base, but it's a very handy feature. I would definitely buy it again. :thumbsup:

So after looking into a few of these brands mentioned I think I like this one from Grizzly. Specs seem good on this specific saw and reviews of Grizzly seem to be OK as well. It is a larger saw than the 15" Craftsman so it costs about 400 more depending on sale prices at the time and shipping. Grizzly has "free shipping" sort of baked into their price.

17in. Metal/Wood G0640X

http://grizzly.com/images/pics/jpeg288/g/g0640x.jpg

I also looked at Rikon which has a new saw coming out this Fall but will retail in the $2200 range. I don't know for sure but I wonder if it is this same saw with another name on it and only minimal changes. Sure looks similar.

John

John -- This is the saw I SHOULD HAVE COULD HAVE bought... and went for the Wilton name instead... stupid me!

Nice saw.

Side by side the specs for the two saws are almost identical - the Rikon lists the motor as 2 1/2 HP -- but even these specs (like the old detroit ratings) are subject to interpretation... The Grizzly is rated at 2 HP (plenty) and the Grizzly is actually 33 lbs heavier. I've been happy with the stuff I've bought from them - although (because it's chinese) I've not bought much. The engine shop I use - Jim Green Performance (of old funny car fame) has a bunch of their stuff - and they use it commercially... and are happy.

The Rikon saw has 5 degrees more tilt in one direction than the Grizzly -- but I don't think that would make me want to wait - and or pay more for it.

The shop that I used to be next to had one from Grizzly with the built in blade welder and it worked great. I used it many time to make stuff. They use it to make alot of twin turbo parts and such. Although it is off shore which I try to avoid buying but I will be buying one from them in the near future.