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FETorino 04-10-2013 12:42 AM

The Falcon looks great. I wish I had your time and ingenuity, this is a great owner build. :thumbsup:

GrabberGT 04-10-2013 10:24 AM

Subscribed.

Really cool stuff. I was considering posting an update thread on my Ford here but that would be like me trying out for a pro football team. Just not gonna happen. You home builders are way out of my league.

coolwelder62 04-10-2013 07:34 PM

Wow!!!!! What an awesome build thread.!!!I really Dig this DIY Stuff.:welder:

66fury 04-10-2013 08:17 PM

Home builds are the best cuz great ideas can come from using what you got . Love ur car also cuz its different

craig510 04-10-2013 08:34 PM

Thanks for the complements. I am lucky enough to have access to all of the big boy toys at work so I can build my own parts. My boss also lets me raid the drops bin so I can get most of my stock for free. I am too cheap to buy parts from the DSE or TCP so I just build them myself. I also like to make my own parts because I get to decide what the engineering compromises are. Metal working is one of the most challenging and rewarding activities that I do. The more I learn in the shop, the better and cheaper my designs get. I feel like it helps my driving also. You have to be really smooth when you are cutting on the lathe, never force it and feel the tool feedback in your hand, just like the autocross.

I consider all of my part prototypes at this point. I am not thrilled with my lower arms so a rev 3 will likely be in the works.

This is my zero dollar mini-tub (not really true, i bought a body saw and used at least $50 in wire, gas, blades and cutoff wheels):

It all starts with some careful mesurments. I figured I should start with the rearend, that way I couldn't chicken out and not cut up the car. I used my layout and mockups to learn that if I moved the springs in .5" per side I would still be able to use my leaves and not have to modify my Panhard bar or exhaust. On the axle, I simply welded up the center pin hole on my perches and welded some 1/4 thick strips to the side, ground smooth, then drilled holes for the u-bolts. It saved me from having to do any major cutting on my rearend.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse6d14a62.jpg
You can see how one u-bolt passes through the perch, and the other touches it on the inside.

I reworked my shock mount to match by welding up the outer set of holes, re-drilling, and sloting the center pin hole, then I cut off the excess material and painted black.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd2f05c10.jpg

I also moved the driver's side brake line mount because it was nearly rubbing the rim.

I cut the front mount to match the new width (with an additional .134" per side for spring toe) and welded in some 3/16 plate I sheared up at work. I just love having a big shear at my disposal.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps42a27eeb.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb5dbb2d0.jpg
It was all welded in and ground smooth.

Now for the big cuts.

I made a cardboard template and marked the line, I was originally going to use a second set of wheel tubs so that I didn't need to add a strip, but they were a little too rusty. After looking at the DSE booth, I think the mustang tubs might be the same, it would save a bunch of extra welding, but cost about $300, so I probably wouldn't, even if I could.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps32331a89.jpg

I also bulged the other houses:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa54f776d.jpg
clearanced, gained 7/8"
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps88e03b83.jpg
Ever so slighly bulged

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1f4faea8.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7bc65760.jpg
2" wide 48" long 16 ga. I welded it in with about 1/8" per side overlap. I took it as far as I could without cutting the frame, gained about 1.75 inside and .875 outside.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps305e9c05.jpg
Don't worry, I seam sealed it inside and out.

I took it as far as I could without cutting the frame, gained about 1.75 inside and .875 outside.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psde317a06.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps36761e67.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfb71a3a1.jpg

I also enlarged the rear of the tunnel where I was having some drive shaft clearanc issues
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8afd248e.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps694ed62d.jpg

Enjoy.

craig510 04-24-2013 11:12 PM

Got the car out to the SCCA autocross this last Sunday after a hard thrash session to get the front suspension better sorted. I had a lot of fun, but double running and spending all day in the sun took its toll on me. I played around with my GoPro and I think it will really help as a learning tool. Especially after watching some fast runs on the same track on Youtube. I am not linking the elements very well and I need to get comfortable braking hard. The star spec tires have so much more traction than the Generals I can really get on the brakes and gas hard without swapping ends. I need to learn how to use the traction. Next run will be on 5/12

Here are some of the videos I took. The sound is not too good with the solid back cover.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEVv9U8o-Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f5L_vAcWv4

In the grid
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd91bc208.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7259971f.jpg

I had some clearance issues even after cutting down the shock tower supports:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7df38cb8.jpg

Turned some "low misalignment spacers" out of 316SST and clearanced the my strut rod brackets. I ordered some 7075 and will build another set now that I got the design right. I am a little uncomfortable with a the safety factor (1.6) on the current design with 6061. 7075 is almost twice as strong and I needed to order some for some bike parts I was making so I got some more 2.25" rounds.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa3938838.jpg


I have not had bump stops for the last month. So I spent some quality time on the lathe making some bungs to weld into 1.25x.120 wall tube and made some round top caps.
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6a9489d6.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4234953f.jpg

And added the Boss style shock tower gussets:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse8b6cd81.jpg

and some load spreaders:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8446a02d.jpg

and welded it all in:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps34ab6915.jpg

"Finshed" Suspension:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6a3e8950.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps198d574a.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psee474fdb.jpg

GrabberGT 04-25-2013 07:56 AM

I just noticed the belly bar/frame cross member you have. Have any more pictures of it and how its connected. I've been looking at beefing mine up a little. I just have the stack belly bar.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psee474fdb.jpg


Felt like I was on a boat watching that helmet cam vid LOL. I like the comments your rider made at the end. "Fun as hell" Those guys dont get to ride in older cars much and seem to really get a kick out of riding with us.

craig510 04-25-2013 11:27 PM

Chris,

I had to go way back in the archive, but here is the skid plate build:

I got the basic design from the 1964 Monte Carlo Rally Falcon
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfd555545.jpg

And after watching the GT Racer episode of the La Carrera Panamericana where the Mustang rips the sump off the oil pan on a topes I had to have one.

It always starts with some templates
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps264f45ef.jpg

Frame Brackets
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc7005414.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb7e79a4b.jpg

Insert for core support
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps23d8e819.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9633f8ee.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0285b567.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps85fe21be.jpg

Completed Frame work
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps59429d27.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8e9efc35.jpg

Final cut on the skin, 1/8" 6061-T6
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps89f11647.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb611d118.jpg

The finished skid plate is a great place to jack the car. And yes, it gets used!
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9ac9b85b.jpg
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/a...psaed7f89b.jpg

Flash68 04-26-2013 01:35 AM

That skid plate is fantastic. Very very cool!

GrabberGT 04-26-2013 07:04 AM

Just as expected. More Awesomeness! :cheering:


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